Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

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BigCat1 said:
You forgot about Josh Hunt and Stevie J. More gifts. Plus Dave Matthews is a raving mad Geelong supporter from Gods Country.
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Varcoe to Pies for Mitch Clark 😰
 
BigCat1 said:
What about Hendo? 1st rounder for 60-70 games. Don’t get me wrong I want Cameron. Badly. However if he plays more than 110 games in the hoops we will have done very very well given he’ll be 28 before starting. What price do you pay for that?

Admittedly Hendo may have salvaged his deal this year.
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I trust Wells to figure that out. You'd be surprised how many people melted when we gave up what we did for Dangerfield. How'd that turn out?

Hendo would have more than earned his keep if his body hadn't let him down the last few years. I guess you say you should allow for that in any trade deal, but it wasn't far off even with those injuries.
 

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Larry Donohue said:
It's time the arguments about free agency were pointed at the AFL.
They set up the additional teams and gave them extraordinary picks in the draft system. Hence they had unusual amounts of talented young players who were going to demand more money in an equalised system. Then the salary cap became unmanageable. It isn't poaching, it is bursting at the seams at the cap. If they could manage what they had, so many players wouldn't leave every year. Cameron would have been offered more dough.
Then if he wants to leave for lifestyle, they have more money to focus elsewhere. I want to see their top end player payments.
Are Whitfield, Kelly, Coniglio etc getting more than Dangerfield, Martin, etc. If so, they need as a team to manage that more effectively in an equalised system.
Free Agency should be just that. If players want to get more years on better money at a better team with a better culture, they should be able to do that.
If you are the best computer programmer in the world are you going to stay around people who can't bring out your best on small dollars and no security. Of course not.
Don't make Cameron an example for problems the AFL have created
The AFL have stopped the progress of teams like CARLTON, North Melbourne, Melbourne, ESSENDON etc by giving their picks to expansion teams. Hence their picks are next best to GWS and GOLD COAST.
It is time they managed themselves as clubs and like the rest of teams develop strategies to stay strong.
Let FA be just that, FREE. Stop compensating clubs for inadequate management. Let them make mistakes to grow themselves. If they are entitled and AFL assisted, or if they have hopeless management that overpay individuals, then let them go through the consequence of mismanagement.
But most of all get the AFL out of the control of team player movement
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Some topics that could spread a few different ways in there. Whats the objective of the draft ..Of the SalCap. Of the expansion teams ..once you work out what the objective is how you get there is probably dependant upon opinion and working with normal ordinary rules of employment.

SalCap is really a mechanism to try put the breaks on player spending that is driven by success desperation. The draft is a socialisation device that is looking tired. Imagine a comp with no cap and no draft where u18 kids could go anywhere they want to.. as long as the club wants them ..and has money to sign them. ..thats what a totally open system would be like.. and it would be big dog eats little dog.. and geelong would fall to a perpetually stuck in the middle club.
So personally I think some controls are good..its just a matter of how much ..and what we control. Do we try to control access to ensure a shared access youthful talent... not doing so created the 70's and the 80's... and on and on..

A fully open FA is ideal if all clubs can attract players. As it is now I feel a change will happen to ensure FA is harder for top sides ..maybe a tiered affect on salcap ..who knows. As it is now allows movement ..but its also a neutralisation of the draft to a degree... take out comp ..even more so. Some method that also includes support will have to be developed if no comp is given.
 
#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL said:
I trust Wells to figure that out. You'd be surprised how many people melted when we gave up what we did for Dangerfield. How'd that turn out?

Hendo would have more than earned his keep if his body hadn't let him down the last few years. I guess you say you should allow for that in any trade deal, but it wasn't far off even with those injuries.
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If we trade and give up a Danger deal i am ok with that i.e 11 and future second

Still think it is better if they just accept
 
Hello Kitty said:
Yes, I understand that TC. We must have players who’d consider going to GWS or another club, as part of a trade, because they would have more opportunity to play games at AFL level. Better than being stuck in Cats’ VFL, with little hope of playing AFL at Geelong.
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Gws are a strong team most of our fringe wouldnt be best 22 there either.
 
Pure_Ownage said:
Gws are a strong team most of our fringe wouldnt be best 22 there either.
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They have so many first round kids sitting on the side lines which you think would be ahead of our young fringe players it is insane

The only players i see getting regular games for them from our list would be players in our best 22
 
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Sttew said:
Dave Matthews on 3AW saying GWS will match Cats offer so Geelong will need to offer something. He said Treloar was worth 2 1st rounders so a KPF is worth more!
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Got a case of the Dodoros

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Gunf said:
If we trade and give up a Danger deal i am ok with that i.e 11 and future second

Still think it is better if they just accept
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I think the smart thing would be for GWS to let him go for free, and to work out a side deal with us that favors them. Otherwise they let that compo pick disappear into the ether. It's a bit shady, but it wouldn't be breaking any hard and fast rules that I'm aware of. Gold Coast were allowed to piss away that first rounder that we now have for no apparent reason. Why can't we?
 
#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL said:
I trust Wells to figure that out. You'd be surprised how many people melted when we gave up what we did for Dangerfield. How'd that turn out?

Hendo would have more than earned his keep if his body hadn't let him down the last few years. I guess you say you should allow for that in any trade deal, but it wasn't far off even with those injuries.
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I know how it turned out. Getting A grade talent is never going to be a bust. However We are still the only club to trade for a RFA. We didn’t or couldn’t price Danger above Adel. We can do that with Cameron.

The Danger trade cost us Charlie Curnow and another second Rd pick where Wells specialises. To ignore that is not telling the full story of Free Agency.

The same convo should be had here with Cameron. Might cost of Bruhn or Ollie Henry if we are yet again forced into a trade. You still take Cameron and everyone will still claim a win in 4 years. However it’s not just coincidence it’s only happening to us. Once it’s yeah ok bad luck. Twice.......well
 
strauchnyy said:
Anyone have access to the jay Clark HS article today?
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This one?

Jeremy Cameron walks out on GWS Giants, set to join Geelong in 2021

GWS are ready to play hard ball with Geelong after Jeremy Cameron sensationally walked out on the Sydney side. Jay Clark outlines what the Giants want, and how far the Cats are from offering it.

October 20, 2020 7:04am

Geelong has won the race to sign GWS Giants’ superstar Jeremy Cameron in a massive boost to the club’s premiership hopes for next season.

Cameron, 27, told Giants’ coach Leon Cameron late Monday he wanted to continue his career at the Cats in 2021, where he will partner gun spearhead Tom Hawkins in attack.

But GWS has already indicated it is prepared to match the Cats’ free agency bid in an attempt to secure two first-round picks from Geelong in a trade for Cameron.

If the Giants don’t match they have to accept pick No. 10 as free agency compensation, which is widely seen as an underwhelming return for one of the best key forwards in the game.

Giants’ chief executive Dave Matthews said the club wanted a decent return for Cameron’s departure.

“The ball is in Geelong’s court to see whether they can satisfy us with a trade,” Matthews said last night.

“(Adam) Treloar and (Dylan) Shiel were worth two first-round draft picks, and they are both very good players.

“Key forwards are hard to find.”

Cameron’s manager Alex McDonald said the Cats were the perfect fit for Cameron at this point in his life.

“He loves the Giants and he’s been wrestling with this for some time, but it’s a family-based decision,” McDonald said on SEN.

“With his partner Indie, he’s been thinking about it for a while, to be honest. They’ve been thinking about what the future looks like for them as a couple, but the short-term focus for Jeremy was more around his own family.

“He went up there (Sydney) as a 17-year-old, he’s been up there for 10 years and the opportunity for him to come back and be back closer to family and friends in Victoria — you don’t know whether that chance will present itself again any time soon.

“He was humbled. He obviously had plenty of interest and I won’t go into the other parties out of respect for them. There’s a lot of great football clubs out there, but this one lined up beautifully with the family and the off-field lifestyle and he’s very much an outdoors person.

“All of those things combined, along with the fact the Cats are a very consistent and stable footy club, meant it lined up. It was the right time for him in the end.

“He understands there’s still a process and still lots to work through, but he’s nominated the Cats.”

It is a huge coup for Geelong and another massive endorsement of the club’s culture and list management strategy as the Cats attempt to pull off their fourth premiership in 14 years against Richmond in Saturday’s Grand Final.

But the recruiting raid is not yet complete as the Cats are expected to land North Melbourne star midfield-forward Shaun Higgins and are also circling Adelaide onballer Brad Crouch.

The arrival of Cameron and Higgins would ensure the Cats had one of the most formidable and potent attacking setups in the league next season.

Geelong has been chasing Cameron, who is from Dartmoor in Victoria’ far west, for the past two seasons as Hawkins’ long-term successor.

While Cameron has made clear he has enjoyed his nine years and 171 games in Sydney, the laid-back lifestyle in Geelong and proximity to his and his partner’s family was known to be big factors in his decision.

GWS Giants list manager Jason McCartney said the club would work to get the best outcome for the club in exchange for its nine-time leading goal kicker.

“We are disappointed to hear the news that Jeremy Cameron wants to continue his career his career at the Cats,” McCartney told the Herald Sun.

“But he is a restricted free agent and the club will consider all options available to it.”

The Giants tried hard to keep Cameron, saying the club offered him a “suitable deal” believed to be worth about $750,000 a season over five years.

The Giants will now consider whether to accept pick No.10 as free agency compensation or force Geelong to give up more in a trade for the two-time All-Australian and best-and-fairest winner.

The Cats have three first-round draft picks and could also nab pick No.7 from Fremantle for the potential loss of gun young defender Jordan Clark.

Geelong is able to fit Cameron into its salary cap largely because of the loss of star midfielder Tim Kelly to West Coast last year.

Geelong budgeted to pay Kelly about $800,000 a year and will now hand that money to Cameron, although salary was not seen as the main factor in his decision.

Spearhead Hawkins is also set to receive a reduced deal for next year, while veteran Harry Taylor is weighing up retirement and Gary Ablett will play his last game in Saturday’s premiership decider, creating more space for the Cats.

Cameron is widely considered one of the most damaging forwards in the game after taking out last year’s Coleman Medal with an average three goals a game.

But the mobile goal kicker endured a tough form slump this year kicking only 24 majors for the year from an average 10 possessions per game.

It was on that basis that the Giants made a strong stance in contract talks with Cameron and did not want to overpay, after handing out blockbuster long-term deals for superstar midfielders Stephen Coniglio, Lachie Whitfield and Josh Kelly in recent years.

Collingwood was circling Cameron but is expected to miss out on his signature after Cameron nominated Geelong as his preferred new home.

The Magpies are sweating on Jordan De Goey’s signature on a new deal as contract talks drag out.
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Geelongs list management has always been consistent in forecasting free agent acquisitions and shaping the list profile to accomodate them. In this case, we were always highly unlikely to use 4 picks in the top 35, with some of those picks always earmarked for trade compensation. We will need at least one pick for the Cameron trade, (plus player, probably Sav), and the 2nd rounder will likely get the Higgins deal done, with north paying the majority of his contract. That will give us two mid-late 1st rounders to use in this draft. Great result for the club.
We also have a strong history of giving clubs fair compensation to get players in, and giving clubs access to players who want to move, a little under market value. These principles hold us in good stead. Of course GWS will come out asking for the world, making a stand, it’s a massive blow to the club, at a really poor time. Once public emotion is taken out of it, the deal will get done with minimum fuss.
 
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