Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Jimmy Willis Jawline]

Remember when the only reasonable trade for Jack Steven

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Jack Steven

Age

35

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

was apparently pick 18 and Constable?
And then we got him for pick 56?
Different players but BF will never tell us what's going on behind doors.

 

[JohnZ]

Remember when the only reasonable trade for Jack Steven

9

Jack Steven

Age

35

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

was apparently pick 18 and Constable?
And then we got him for pick 56?
Different players but BF will never tell us what's going on behind doors.

Could you imagine on his output this year. We don't pay overs

 

[catempire]

Could you imagine on his output this year. We don't pay overs

Remember at trade time last year Scott talking him down saying he comes with significant risks. Fair point that.

 

[Shadow89]

Remember at trade time last year Scott talking him down saying he comes with significant risks. Fair point that.

To be fair, not even Scott could have imagined just how bad that risk would be - that he would be stabbed over the summer. That was a risk that no-one could have factored in. Just goes to show how much Steven had going against him from the get go. Still think he could be a valuable contributor next season though

 

[catempire]

To be fair, not even Scott could have imagined just how bad that risk would be - that he would be stabbed over the summer. That was a risk that no-one could have factored in. Just goes to show how much Steven had going against him from the get go. Still think he could be a valuable contributor next season

It has been evident Steven has had plenty of challenges and the stabbing was but one.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It has been evident Steven has had plenty of challenges and the stabbing was but one.

Agree..i still reckon he would beplaying in a GF this week if he was fit so its unlucky for him. Hopefully that drives him for next year.

Sounds like its geelong or richmond for crouch possibly.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

And this is why we shouldn't recruit Higgins as we need to trust in our youth...

Agree - he'll probably replace Gaz but we have Close, Evans, Tarca and Taheny who could fill that as well ( over time)

 

[Turbocat]

Mate it's no different to the 70's and 80's (before salary cap) when teams Like Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and the like could buy who they wanted.

100% .. and we were just practice match fodder to build percentage on. Way back when they brought in the Ten year rrule ..North went hard at it ..paper bags for doug wade etc...

One of the better suggestions on the draft board is to do away with clubs right to match FA...have an independent afl panel rank each player in terms of pick value..for example if cameron is P2..points to that value are deducted from geelongs draft total but gws cant match and cant keep him. Gives the players the movement they want but with some equalisation measure and removes all this brinkmanship crap.

Not sure...I think id have to see it... there are probably plenty of alternatives and variations we could study

 

[BigCat1]

Ralphy makes me sick. So salty and so many mis truths.

His update about the “matching” process had so much mayo and contradictions in it, it was unwatchable.

Ps “let’s face it the Cats have so few quality youngsters to trade to GWS so expect a Clark or Esava”

“Parfitt was linked to Adel as part of the crouch free Agency Trade but he’s resigned. The Cats and Port are out I still believe something will pop up as a free agent albeit nowhere near what he and Adel had hoped”

So Ralphy thinks apparently Adel would only match Geel

 

[year of the cat]

One of the better suggestions on the draft board is to do away with clubs right to match FA...have an independent afl panel rank each player in terms of pick value..for example if cameron is P2..points to that value are deducted from geelongs draft total but gws cant match and cant keep him. Gives the players the movement they want but with some equalisation measure and removes all this brinkmanship crap.

Terrific idea.

 

[Lana]

One of the better suggestions on the draft board is to do away with clubs right to match FA...have an independent afl panel rank each player in terms of pick value..for example if cameron is P2..points to that value are deducted from geelongs draft total but gws cant match and cant keep him. Gives the players the movement they want but with some equalisation measure and removes all this brinkmanship crap.

Replace independent afl panel with model based on on wage/age/contract length

They should have gotten rid of the bands as soon as they released dvi

 

[Turbocat]

Replace independent afl panel with model based on on wage/age/contract length

They should have gotten rid of the bands as soon as they released dvi

I think I like that better .. ind panels like we have scene for tribunals etc ... tend to ruffles feathers in the end.

The only slight I could see there is player willing to take less to play for top teams.

 

[PzBlinky]

Remember when the only reasonable trade for Jack Steven

9

Jack Steven

Age

35

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

was apparently pick 18 and Constable?
And then we got him for pick 56?
Different players but BF will never tell us what's going on behind doors.

How about pick 18 and Constable for Cameron? That seems an entirely reasonable trade... for Cats fans.

Wellsy, GET IT DONE!

 

[Lana]

I think I like that better .. ind panels like we have scene for tribunals etc ... tend to ruffles feathers in the end.

The only slight I could see there is player willing to take less to play for top teams.

Could always put finishing position into the formula, teams higher up the ladder pay an extra loading

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Geelong’s location just works wonders for us and players wanting to be in Victoria but not melbourne. Can see, definitely in this day and age, a lot of players who would much prefer a more laid back lifestyle out in country regions as opposed to the hustle and bustle of the melbourne footy bubble.

Use to work against us back on the day I think, it was always “who’d want to live down that way”.

Tbh it’s no wonder Cookie is getting phone calls and text messages from player managers potentially interested in coming to Geelong, to be part of an ongoing successful club, good leadership and culture, and a great lifestyle.

 

[Kyuss]

Makes me laugh when people talk about trading players like the player themselves have absolutely no say in it.

GWS can ask for whoever they please.. doesn't mean a thing if none of them want to go there.

There is conflicting reports but I really hope if we do have money for Crouch that we forget him and use it to get Cameron as a FA. No trading. Our midfield is fine for next year. Hopefully some of the younger guys step up.

But if we need a boost after Selwood retires hell we can use Joels money at the end of next season to chase Zach Merrett as a RFA. Or there is a player by the name of Cripps who goes alright who is a RFA next year... forget Crouch I say.

 

[Turbocat]

Totally agree. I remember expressing my concern that introducing FA would result in haves and have nots. It has played out precisely that way. I think we’ve got to look at ways to open things up for the have-nots, eg. Additional salary cap.

Maybe... id be willing look at lots of variations ... the draft has lost it affect it once had ..some of that is attitude amongst players ..old attitudes about loyalty are not as robust as the once were.

The draft denies a players real desire ..most kids from WA for example if they had a choice would play for WestCoast.

so money may help , but players tend to be willing to play for less at the club of their choice.

 

[MelbCat]

Thats true i was just pointing out we have options.

Plus if they match he might even stay and then they are stuck with a contract they dont want.

I'd love to oneday (not with Cameron) see a club match an offer and get stuck with that player and get done for salary cap breach.
It's not hard to be civil at the trade table. Take the compo we'll give you as best as we can via a side deal and everyone walks away happy.

Geelong are extremely fair when it comes to looking after players both going out and coming in.

 

[tielgaz]

Some did not want to hear it yesterday .... what will be the cost is all I asked?

He is 28 by the time he starts playing for us. ..its been my reservation about being after him all along... but thats done now. I feel it will be an R1 this year and next year... unless we mange to trade someone for a top 10 pick. .... Yet again we will be trading a heap for guy who has been in system long enough ..who should cost us zero

Have you seen this guy play, he is a star, if we get him our forward line is the best the comp.

 

[frggr]

My view: FA should be FA, no restrictions. It’s ridiculous that a 28 year old can still be held back. Compensation is an important equalisation mechanism but it’s not enough. Would like to see the losing club get additional cap relief.

The problem with compensation is that it potentially screws the other 16 clubs not involved (by pushing back their picks) but doesn't really harm the receiving club much, if at all.

Receiving club should have to give up their first round pick from that year plus other picks to an equivalent of X points for the FA player

Or a future first rounder and have a points deficit that needs to be "paid" to the club the player is departing.

Something like that anyway - no more of this "pushing picks" back and devaluing other clubs picks so that Richmond can have Lynch for salary cap only

Figure out a player's value based on age etc and make the receiving club pony up in points including at least one first rounder so they can just hand over 10 picks in the 70s or whatever.

Perhaps assign values to players too in case.of more direct body for body trades

 

[frggr]

Makes me laugh when people talk about trading players like the player themselves have absolutely no say in it.

GWS can ask for whoever they please.. doesn't mean a thing if none of them want to go there.

There is conflicting reports but I really hope if we do have money for Crouch that we forget him and use it to get Cameron as a FA. No trading. Our midfield is fine for next year. Hopefully some of the younger guys step up.

But if we need a boost after Selwood retires hell we can use Joels money at the end of next season to chase Zach Merrett as a RFA. Or there is a player by the name of Cripps who goes alright who is a RFA next year... forget Crouch I say.

Fair bit of talk that Cripps is heading back West for his partner's health - would be a shame cos he has been "Carlton" for ages now, and I think he'd ideally be a one club player, but...sometimes other things take priority

 

[Gunf]

It's not only GWS that are chasing Simpson, the Dogs are going hard for him again. They've been keen for a while.

Do Dogs even need mids pretty sure that is one part of the ground they are stacked in

 

[cats_09]

Do Dogs even need mids pretty sure that is one part of the ground they are stacked in

Similar to other teams, they desperately need a ruckman - last time they won the hitouts was round 7 last year when they actually defeated the Tigers, 32 (English 26, Cordy 6) to 31 (Nankervis 26, Balta 5)

That's also the only time in the past 2 seasons they've won the hitout battle and it's cause the guy providing support got one more hitout than Richmond's #2

 

[frggr]

Similar to other teams, they desperately need a ruckman - last time they won the hitouts was round 7 last year when they actually defeated the Tigers, 32 (English 26, Cordy 6) to 31 (Nankervis 26, Balta 5)

That's also the only time in the past 2 seasons they've won the hitout battle and it's cause the guy providing support got one more hitout than Richmond's #2

I'm so confused about English - is he good or not? They seem to want to persist with him regardless. Is he just young and inexperienced?

 

[catempire]

The problem with compensation is that it potentially screws the other 16 clubs not involved (by pushing back their picks) but doesn't really harm the receiving club much, if at all.

Receiving club should have to give up their first round pick from that year plus other picks to an equivalent of X points for the FA player

Or a future first rounder and have a points deficit that needs to be "paid" to the club the player is departing.

Something like that anyway - no more of this "pushing picks" back and devaluing other clubs picks so that Richmond can have Lynch for salary cap only

Figure out a player's value based on age etc and make the receiving club pony up in points including at least one first rounder so they can just hand over 10 picks in the 70s or whatever.

Perhaps assign values to players too in case.of more direct body for body trades

The problem with any alternative is it starts to resemble something very much like what we have for a long time called “trading”. We’ve got to remember that free agency is fundamentally a player driven concept, grounded in freedom of players providing their services to the highest bidder (or whomever they choose). Any restriction on that is, by definition, a restriction on the freedom of players. Now, I’m not saying they should have absolute freedom, but it is worthwhile to bear in mind why the concept exists in the first place. What we also need, however, is to have some protections against lower sides getting pillaged of their best talent. That has to be some form of compensation. Maybe there’s a Better way of doing it than we have now, but I actually think some degree of progressiveness in the compensation is appropriate.