Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[CatToTheFuture]

No idea on any further info in regards to list numbers going forward. There was something of a standoff between the AFLPA & AFL in regards to the compressed fixture the AFL is/has released tonight & the players wanted the contract freezer lifted before they agreed to the compressed fixture; basically around job security should one get injured during the pending period of play

Coaches can also be re-signed now

That is awesome. I was using this as the litmus test that the financial situation of the AFL had a long term plan in place. Can't sign players until you know list numbers, can't know list numbers until you know what cash you need to work with. Whatever the plan is we know there is one. Huge step

We also now know that if there isn't a flurry of signings before the run of short rounds that the cap was cut substantially. If sides with cap to burn lock in players but sides with cap issues don't we'll know the 2020 impact is slight. Lots of middling sized long term contracts though might mean they intend to spread their 2021 cap out to future years and the cap might have a more substantial initial cut for next year. Lots of info on next year we will have within a couple of weeks

 

[cats_09]

That is awesome. I was using this as the litmus test that the financial situation of the AFL had a long term plan in place. Can't sign players until you know list numbers, can't know list numbers until you know what cash you need to work with. Whatever the plan is we know there is one. Huge step

We also now know that if there isn't a flurry of signings before the run of short rounds that the cap was cut substantially. If sides with cap to burn lock in players but sides with cap issues don't we'll know the 2020 impact is slight. Lots of middling sized long term contracts though might mean they intend to spread their 2021 cap out to future years and the cap might have a more substantial initial cut for next year. Lots of info on next year we will have within a couple of weeks

I know Tom Browne is annoying, but this info from him suggests this the soft cap details are known, but haven't seen anything in regards to playing list sizes or player salary cap

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I know Tom Browne is annoying, but this info from him suggests this the soft cap details are known, but haven't seen anything in regards to playing list sizes or player salary cap

Awesome. Hope this means our full recruitment team can get back to analysis and strategy

 

[Turbocat]

The players we have recruited over the past several years have been quite strategic and have contributed well to our side that has regularly competed for a premiership and finished top four and prelims so they were good calls. Every club in the AFL in our ladder position would do the same as we did so i dont have issues with it.

Will we do that now moving forward?? I dont prescribe to the theory We have to finish low to rebuild, im not sure your exact idea on that but it seems you think a dip is required but to what extent im unsure. Our greatest team of all time was built off ladder finishes no worse than 12th and pick 7. We didnt have an abundance of top picks. most of our side was built off average picks or picks in the 20-40 range. Ablett scarlett were also second third rounders their draft year. Ablett as dal santo described was a low possession high impact half forward/midfielder his draft year.

2 of hawthorns flags were also won without franklin when you look at it, the draft picks that built that team for back to back flags was pick 1(hodge) 2(roughhead) 8(lewis) 36( mitchel) 12(rioli). Not exactly a massive dip and rebuild when you take franklin out of the two flags.. A huge chunk was quality drafting throughout the picks and amazing trading. Are you saying gunston gibson were not huge key pillars in hawthorns flags?? I know hawthorn fans would tell you their flags were as much trades as they were drafting throughout.

You compare that to carlton bulldogs melbourne who have gone an entire traditional bottoming out route and focused purely on the draft with midfields choked full of top 5 picks, and these clubs are basket cases. I think melbourne is a good modern example of a club that has tried to bottom out and rebuild traditionally without hitting hard thr free agency and trade market to complete their sides structure or have failed at it.

What I prescribe to is a team must have a group first round draft picks most probably single figure picks to build your value finds around. The conditions to get those picks are different now than back when , things change.

To me we either have to finish lower than we have been, trade out players who would gets that type of pick, lose FA players, have aligned player that equate to players that early in the draft. Geelong has not finished bottom in my memory , Id doubt they will have to if trying to gain A grade talent, but perhaps a couple of years in the bottom 6 or so... like the 12th that you mentioned.

If you have a different belief than that, fine. I can't find a Premiership team that has not drafted a player that is single figures..maybe there is one, perhaps Sydney not sure but overwhelmingly Premiership sides are built around that axiom. If we say the most likely to win the flag side this year are Rich, Bris, Port and Colling.. it will continue to be true.

While we have some handy young kids, I doubt we have the type of talented kids that we had in the last build atm. Perhaps with FA and trade we can load the dice but Im doubtful we can.

 

[Turbocat]

What about Dek? I thought he can play in the ruck?

They are playing him a bit in the ruck , but I doubt thats where his best position will be.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

So the Crows could have 3 of the first 5 picks in the draft.

Interesting that Freo's 1st pick could slide back a little given they're in points deficit.

 

[Turbocat]

So the Crows could have 3 of the first 5 picks in the draft.

Interesting that Freo's 1st pick could slide back a little given they're in points deficit.

I agree with another comment .. one has to question if Crouch will get R1 comp money the way he has played this year ... but one would have to say its possible , add the FS's and/or NGS's .. our Gold Coast first pick could easily be 13 or 14 or later..

If the Crows do get 3 in the first 5 .. do they take them all , do the try to spread one pick into later R1 picks to get two players instead of 1.. its looks like at a min they will have a lot of options..

 

[Strange Cat]

I agree with another comment .. one has to question if Crouch will get R1 comp money the way he has played this year ... but one would have to say its possible , add the FS's and/or NGS's .. our Gold Coast first pick could easily be 13 or 14 or later..

If the Crows do get 3 in the first 5 .. do they take them all , do the try to spread one pick into later R1 picks to get two players instead of 1.. its looks like at a min they will have a lot of options..

#feederclub

juicy players to pick up in a few years time

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So the Crows could have 3 of the first 5 picks in the draft.

Interesting that Freo's 1st pick could slide back a little given they're in points deficit.

To get rd1 compo a side would have to gibe him a Tom Lynch/Buddy Franlin/can't think of any others deal. No one is signing any player to a lucrative, long term deal in this environment with cap almost certainly going to be tightened.

Brad is a decent midfielder but he's not getting a contract that big. The contract he was in talks with Gold Coast about was around a Motlop level end of first round compo, hus value has since dropped and Gold Coast would surely rather play kids at this stage

 

[Turbocat]

To get rd1 compo a side would have to gibe him a Tom Lynch/Buddy Franlin/can't think of any others deal. No one is signing any player to a lucrative, long term deal in this environment with cap almost certainly going to be tightened.

Brad is a decent midfielder but he's not getting a contract that big. The contract he was in talks with Gold Coast about was around a Motlop level end of first round compo, hus value has since dropped and Gold Coast would surely rather play kids at this stage

AS reported in article after the Motlop comp ....

Comp is based on a total number points that are calculated as follows..

The key to the formula is a ranking system in which every player in the AFL aged 25 or older is placed in order based on the size of their contract. The highest paid players are ranked at 100 points , the lowest 0 points . A 25 year old player receives a max of 12 points for his age ..scaling down to a 30 year old receives only 2 , and older than 30 no points. ..

So to get a Band 1 comp ... the pick is awarded to players who rank in the top 5% on points. Band 2 ( end of R1) in the 5 to 15%.

So IF there are 400 players 25 and over ( I have no idea at that number its a guess) ... and they are ranked in order from Grundy ( or who ever is at the top) all the way down to who ever is in the bottom ... the way I see it Crouch has to get into the top 20 players 25 and over ... he will get a little help being 26 ... but is he really going to be in that top 5%?

Cant see it.

Motlop apparently was about 14.99% to get end of R1 comp. Considering how much clubs hate the R1 being affected by comp , I could see this type of outcome as being more likely.

At the time of the article In dollar terms, it was something around 700ish that was the line between Band 1 and Band 2 .. but its a moving number . as most think Grundy will have to have his contract. altered.

 

[Turbocat]

In respect to what some recent posts have debated ..I found a recent interview with Chris Pelchen on SEN interesting. It confirmed we are not identical to Hawthorn but there were some comments that resonated with me, and the 5 in top10 picks doesn't bode well for our pick 11

Some significant quotes imo were..

On Hawthorn..

It’s not purely just the numbers you have in a draft in terms of total but where you select those players…

Hawthorn’s current situation ….3 picks inside the top45 since 2016 , 2 picks inside the top20 since 2011

While Clarko talks about having a combination of drafted players and trade players or Free Agents , thats true, but its about where you position yourself in the draft and if you are not going to get to the pointy end at some point its going to come back and bite you


On this years draft

Its no more compromised the we have seen in the GWS or GC establishment years, this year is going to be compromised, you are right saying about academy players, they are probably going to make up 5 of the top10 player so that have a big affect..


About North Melb

They have attacked the Trade Free Agency market particularly hard in the last 4 to 5 years and I would question the players they have brought in, because they haven’t actually had a marked impact. If you are going to bring players in from an opposition team thru trade or free agency they have to have a specific role in your senior 22 ,otherwize there is no point bringing them in..”

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[Gee Class Loco]

In respect to what some recent posts have debated ..I found a recent interview with Chris Pelchen on SEN interesting. It confirmed we are not identical to Hawthorn but there were some comments that resonated with me, and the 5 in top10 picks doesn't bode well for our pick 11

Some significant quotes imo were..


On this years draft

Its no more compromised the we have seen in the GWS or GC establishment years, this year is going to be compromised, you are right saying about academy players, they are probably going to make up 5 of the top10 player so that have a big affect..

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Valid points u have TC.
But. Don't know where the number 5 comes from.
100% it will be 1 with Jamarra Ugle-Fagan at Number 1 and it should be.
Then after that it will probably be the Swans academy player Braeden Campbell.
Anywhere from 3-10 so it will give the Swans a free hit @pick 2 that will cost them points wise their 2nd & 3rd round picks.
After that... well, it's a crap shoot as it is very year. More so this year with no NAB U-18 season.
Alex Davies?? yeah maybe at Top 15 pick for the SUNS. A man playing amongst kids IMO.
Brandon Walker for Freo another Top 20 pick maybe??

FWIW i think we will have a combination of Picks 11-13-15 which will be our best haul of top 20 picks in my time watching the draft.
They might be adjusted to 13-15-17 which is fine by me in a year of many unknowns.
As long as Oli Henry & Logan McDonald are still there i'll be happy... hehe.
Cheers mate!

 

[Turbocat]

Valid points u have TC.
But. Don't know where the number 5 comes from.
100% it will be 1 with Jamarra Ugle-Fagan at Number 1 and it should be.
Then after that it will probably be the Swans academy player Braeden Campbell.
Anywhere from 3-10 so it will give the Swans a free hit @pick 2 that will cost them points wise their 2nd & 3rd round picks.
After that... well, it's a crap shoot as it is very year. More so this year with no NAB U-18 season.
Alex Davies?? yeah maybe at Top 15 pick for the SUNS. A man playing amongst kids IMO.
Brandon Walker for Freo another Top 20 pick maybe??

FWIW i think we will have a combination of Picks 11-13-15 which will be our best haul of top 20 picks in my time watching the draft.
They might be adjusted to 13-15-17 which is fine by me in a year of many unknowns.
As long as Oli Henry & Logan McDonald are still there i'll be happy... hehe.
Cheers mate!

It was Pelchens quote not mine...

thats the worst estimation that I have heard.. 2 -3 has been my estimation but I guess FA comp and players im not aware of could surprise

Nightmare has these guys top20 ...JUH, Reef McInnes , Alex Davies , Braedon Campbell, Errol Gulden... eDPS adds Lachlan Jones at 12 and Corey Brand at 21

and this year especially I'd say most players could go anywhere.

 

[Drunkcat]

They are playing him a bit in the ruck , but I doubt thats where his best position will be.

They are only playing him in the Ruck as we don't have a Ruckman him and Schlensog

 

[Turbocat]

They are only playing him in the Ruck as we don't have a Ruckman him and Schlensog

We dont know that this sole reason but they are certainly are short of options atm. The way I read the review, they re not sure what they have in him. I really we have two other legit ruck options and he doesnt play there because we have no one else

 

[Turbocat]

We have briefly talked about it before... but is there any backup ruck at a club that could be good for us? Preuss name is one of them, but I'm just not sure if he wants to play AFL footy and likes to be a back up ruck.
My first preference is to get a kid from the draft, but t Wells doesn't look like thats the way he wants to that..
Yes Fort been good, not bad but don't think he will ever be a star thou.
Stanley is on his 30s, im just curious see what people views are

I see on eDPS thread .. a kid call Shannon Neale is getting a bit of attention

 

[David the Cat]

Can anyone enlighten me on Schlensog and his progress, if any?

 

[Drunkcat]

We dont know that this sole reason but they are certainly are short of options atm. The way I read the review, they re not sure what they have in him. I really we have two other legit ruck options and he doesnt play there because we have no one else

We do know we have Fort and Stanley and Stanley is injured so no ruckman

 

[Down at K Park]

Can anyone enlighten me on Schlensog and his progress, if any?

Never seems to get a mention anywhere. Playing in the backline now?

 

[Turbocat]

We do know we have Fort and Stanley and Stanley is injured so no ruckman

True.

 

[foxdog50]

I see on eDPS thread .. a kid call Shannon Neale is getting a bit of attention

I better look up Google about him..

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Can anyone enlighten me on Schlensog and his progress, if any?

Rucked a bit in scratch matches and he dyed his hair blue.... sum total of anything I've seen

 

[Hamingja]

AS reported in article after the Motlop comp ....

Comp is based on a total number points that are calculated as follows..

The key to the formula is a ranking system in which every player in the AFL aged 25 or older is placed in order based on the size of their contract. The highest paid players are ranked at 100 points , the lowest 0 points . A 25 year old player receives a max of 12 points for his age ..scaling down to a 30 year old receives only 2 , and older than 30 no points. ..

So to get a Band 1 comp ... the pick is awarded to players who rank in the top 5% on points. Band 2 ( end of R1) in the 5 to 15%.

So IF there are 400 players 25 and over ( I have no idea at that number its a guess) ... and they are ranked in order from Grundy ( or who ever is at the top) all the way down to who ever is in the bottom ... the way I see it Crouch has to get into the top 20 players 25 and over ... he will get a little help being 26 ... but is he really going to be in that top 5%?

Cant see it.

Motlop apparently was about 14.99% to get end of R1 comp. Considering how much clubs hate the R1 being affected by comp , I could see this type of outcome as being more likely.

At the time of the article In dollar terms, it was something around 700ish that was the line between Band 1 and Band 2 .. but its a moving number . as most think Grundy will have to have his contract. altered.

Formula is all bunk to me, otherwise it would be more transparent.

AFL just use it as another equalisation tool.

Melbourne were a hot mess so got an undeserved pick for Frawley.

GC needed to save face over GAJ so they gave us an undeserved pick for Motlop so we could trade it to GC for GAJ.

Adelaide haven't done their time at the bottom yet. No way the AFL is coughing up a top 5 pick for Crouch. Come back in a couple of years time please Crows.

 

[Turbocat]

I better look up Google about him..

He played in this game last year, not that I really noticed him at the time ..I was more watching Henry... but he is 35 for the dark side... at one stage he shows he can palm the ball quite well but ...one can see why its difficult to say what they are worth ... its like sipping wine when the grape is still on the vine..

 

[Turbocat]

Formula is all bunk to me, otherwise it would be more transparent.

AFL just use it as another equalisation tool.

Melbourne were a hot mess so got an undeserved pick for Frawley.

GC needed to save face over GAJ so they gave us an undeserved pick for Motlop so we could trade it to GC for GAJ.

Adelaide haven't done their time at the bottom yet. No way the AFL is coughing up a top 5 pick for Crouch. Come back in a couple of years time please Crows.

If it was apparent it would be even more open for rorting ..or so they say... bunk or not that was what was reported.