Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Turbocat]

B+ right now, or only the tools to become B+?

I would not excluding him to continue to develop... For years I have read the Guthrie was not good... and now he is probably our best mid. B&F AA etc. The issue I guess that irks me a bit is we tend to find value with picks like Guthrie and Parfit but their value is in apart due to estimated development time. How goos would a single figure pick be at Parfits age and development I wonder?

Parfit has a nice side step, a slightly more def mid than we he have but generally I feel he is a tad nice. He fitsinto that type that could either become a Pops Kelly or a Prismall

How often has looked obviously best on ground?. Id say most likely out come is he a very good B+ player who will be at his best 24-27 , on the edge of AA ..and maybe top 3 B&F

 

[Turbocat]

I mentioned in the Ess Pre season game thread... I thought Holmes was a chance for a game this year....

and I read this...

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It only confirms to me that drafting quality does not mean you automatically are worse off short term. The kid could end up being a find for us this year..


so ..hopefully we think like that in this years draft. Get a quality early pick mid , that might be able to play 2022

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I mentioned in the Ess Pre season game thread... I thought Holmes was a chance for a game this year....

and I read this...

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It only confirms to me that drafting quality does not mean you automatically are worse off short term. The kid could end up being a find for us this year..


so ..hopefully we think like that in this years draft. Get a quality early pick mid , that might be able to play 2022

Plenty of the kids taken before him will have shown nothing so far.

Fortune favours the bold

 

[Shadow89]

I would not excluding him to continue to develop... For years I have read the Guthrie was not good... and now he is probably our best mid. B&F AA etc. The issue I guess that irks me a bit is we tend to find value with picks like Guthrie and Parfit but their value is in apart due to estimated development time. How goos would a single figure pick be at Parfits age and development I wonder?

Parfit has a nice side step, a slightly more def mid than we he have but generally I feel he is a tad nice. He fitsinto that type that could either become a Pops Kelly or a Prismall

How often has looked obviously best on ground?. Id say most likely out come is he a very good B+ player who will be at his best 24-27 , on the edge of AA ..and maybe top 3 B&F

Yeah I think Kelly is the one he reminds me of most. Hard nut, good in close, not a long kick, good handball etc.

I'm still hopefully he's got another level to go to, but as you say B+ might be his ceiling if there's not that much improvement left.

Max Holmes on the other hand...jeez...4 months on our list and already BOG amongst 14 other AFL listed players, debuting against our arch-nemesis on the G in front of (likely) 50,000+ - sky is the absolute limit

 

[Turbocat]

Yeah I think Kelly is the one he reminds me of most. Hard nut, good in close, not a long kick, good handball etc.

I'm still hopefully he's got another level to go to, but as you say B+ might be his ceiling if there's not that much improvement left.

Max Holmes on the other hand...jeez...4 months on our list and already BOG amongst 14 other AFL listed players, debuting against our arch-nemesis on the G in front of (likely) 50,000+ - sky is the absolute limit

You cant put in what God didnt... and you cant pick your parents...

The only question was footy skills... SW must have liked something to trade away our R1 this year... in a deep draft.

 

[Shadow89]

You cant put in what God didnt... and you cant pick your parents...

The only question was footy skills... SW must have liked something to trade away our R1 this year... in a deep draft.

In Wells we trust. Guy is thinking on levels we can't even comprehend, haha

 

[Turbocat]

In Wells we trust. Guy is thinking on levels we can't even comprehend, haha

and multiple inputs from good eyes... but still it take big hairy ones to do the deals...

And he has not been shy about in draft trading either... so far would we be ahead? Jury is out on Tarheny

 

[Shadow89]

and multiple inputs from good eyes... but still it take big hairy ones to do the deals...

And he has not been shy about in draft trading either... so far would we be ahead? Jury is out on Tarheny

Can't get 'em all right, and Taheny was late enough that it doesn't really matter if he's a bust anyway (also a heap of guys all competing for that one position, so very far back in the pecking order IMO)

 

[Turbocat]

Can't get 'em all right, and Taheny was late enough that it doesn't really matter if he's a bust anyway (also a heap of guys all competing for that one position, so very far back in the pecking order IMO)

I think it was smooth Jimmy that said... when you are right 52% of the time , you are wrong 48% of the time...

 

[allrighty]

Good question TC.
Mckay would be my Number 1 target.

I know McKay's mum, maybe I can have a word

 

[allrighty]

I would not excluding him to continue to develop... For years I have read the Guthrie was not good... and now he is probably our best mid. B&F AA etc. The issue I guess that irks me a bit is we tend to find value with picks like Guthrie and Parfit but their value is in apart due to estimated development time. How goos would a single figure pick be at Parfits age and development I wonder?

Parfit has a nice side step, a slightly more def mid than we he have but generally I feel he is a tad nice. He fitsinto that type that could either become a Pops Kelly or a Prismall

How often has looked obviously best on ground?. Id say most likely out come is he a very good B+ player who will be at his best 24-27 , on the edge of AA ..and maybe top 3 B&F

Pops one of our most under-rated players of the 2000's IMO.

 

[allrighty]

When is Max Rooke

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going to sire a player for us?

 

[Tristan34]

Funny thing about trading our r1 pick to Richmond.. We have 3 second rounders.. 2 of them tied to Essendon and GWS, which could be early picks..

 

[Turbocat]

Pops one of our most under-rated players of the 2000's IMO.

He was also the first to show something from that 01 group.. possibly was on track to be even better before the leg

 

[CatToTheFuture]

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just kicked 10 goals.

Fair to say I'd strongly prefer any draft capital we have that's worth anything to be spent on mids from here on.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yes. No different to previous years give or take a kph or two.
We are 1-1 and all of a sudden because we aren't playing like we did last September people are losing their heads. Go Figure??
No Danger No Duncan No Menegola No Simpson & No Cameron and we still beat Brisbane.
Don't people get it... What a win that was?? Nah i dont think some do.
If you think our lack of pace is our problem.
Then you don't understand the concept that ball movement will always beat speed/pace.
Be it by foot or by hand.
Skills and decision making will kill pace all day everyday. You can be the fastest player running around but without those two attributes u are just a pest and a hinderance to the opposition for all but a few spurts during a game.
So let's just take a deep breath and wait until our fitness is up and a few of our players are back & fit then we'll make a more realistic assessment.
As for the EBA don't be so sure. The AFLPA want to align themselves more so with the NFL and NBA agreements.
Free Agents are and will more so be the future priority of list management where the Draft will be more of a long term process.
Yes the draft will still have a place in the game. But Free Agency is the AFLPA No. 1 priority. As it was/is in all sporting codes across the globe.
If i were a betting man i'd say 5 years will be it, after that move on to where ever you like.
Any way thats my take. Different to yours.
But as i always say, opinions are like arseholes. We all have them.
Cheers & GO CATTERS!

the observation of “pace” as a reason for a loss is often a shallow surface excuse for a loss and generally shows a poor footy analysis of a match.

the idea that “pace” is a problem yet our greatest ever midfield of all time probably had the combined pace of a garden snail in ling, corey, bartel attending a stoppage.... much slower than our current midfield.

the idea of pace being such a huge problem would have meant Cameron ling wouldn’t have ever gotten a game even and there was no chance of him stopping to many quality “fast” midfielders...

As you said spot on it is “pace of ball” not “pace” that makes a team quick or slow.

 

[CatRiot]

Wonder if Crows snarred a bargain with Ben Keays

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... I kind of rated him. Rookie pick getting big stats this season. He's a bit of a unit too.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Wonder if Crows snarred a bargain with Ben Keays... I kind of rated him. Rookie pick getting big stats this season. He's a bit of a unit too.

Yeah he's a gun.

 

[Cataholic]

the observation of “pace” as a reason for a loss is often a shallow surface excuse for a loss and generally shows a poor footy analysis of a match.

the idea that “pace” is a problem yet our greatest ever midfield of all time probably had the combined pace of a garden snail in ling, corey, bartel attending a stoppage.... much slower than our current midfield.

the idea of pace being such a huge problem would have meant Cameron ling wouldn’t have ever gotten a game even and there was no chance of him stopping to many quality “fast” midfielders...

As you said spot on it is “pace of ball” not “pace” that makes a team quick or slow.

Pace of ball is where we fall down..... too often we hesitate, stop, go sideways, use loopy handballs, or high bombs.

Need to eradicate that.

 

[Turbocat]

Josh Bruce just kicked 10 goals.

Fair to say I'd strongly prefer any draft capital we have that's worth anything to be spent on mids from here on.

Can you elaborate?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

We should be chasing Lachie Ash hard.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Can you elaborate?

When the pendulum swing in game play this year appears to have given kpfs such a big leg up then the individual qualities of any given kpf matter less. Yeah the good ones are still great but you'd rather spend the capital on kids who will get it in quickly even if your kpfs are Kreuger and Fort. That's my way too early, wildly hot take on the new look of the game.

 

[Turbocat]

When the pendulum swing in game play this year appears to have given kpfs such a big leg up then the individual qualities of any given kpf matter less. Yeah the good ones are still great but you'd rather spend the capital on kids who will get it in quickly even if your kpfs are Kreuger and Fort. That's my way too early, wildly hot take on the new look of the game.

Good elaboration.. basically agree.. Winning flags with the likes of Cam mooney etc supports your thesis...

I will say this. That forwards are almost like salesmen. You can have the best product in the world but if you do not sell it.. your biz falls over.

I look at Brisb and see two players kicking for goal that will most like have the shakes in big games.

The other thing too is ...there is alway two sides to any performance. Its not so much against North that Id be gauging needs, its against the better sides.

but over all I agree... you could have ablett, lockett and dunstall ..and if the ball comes on slow , and not often enough..then it will not matter.

 

[Turbocat]

We should be chasing Lachie Ash hard.

More pace.. I dread to think what GWS would want.

 

[Turbocat]

the observation of “pace” as a reason for a loss is often a shallow surface excuse for a loss and generally shows a poor footy analysis of a match.

the idea that “pace” is a problem yet our greatest ever midfield of all time probably had the combined pace of a garden snail in ling, corey, bartel attending a stoppage.... much slower than our current midfield.

the idea of pace being such a huge problem would have meant Cameron ling wouldn’t have ever gotten a game even and there was no chance of him stopping to many quality “fast” midfielders...

As you said spot on it is “pace of ball” not “pace” that makes a team quick or slow.

I think its very difficult to argue that pace has become more important with the success of Richmond. Slwo players can offensivly use the ball well and thru slick ball movement move the ball quickly, but def it is hard to see slow players defend.