Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Ozguy]

I am probably incredibly naive, but what is the best case scenario for the next 2 drafts?

Hit on Pick 18 this year
Hit on Pick 1x next year
Wells manages to pull out a Diamond in the later rounds
Wells manages to pull out 2 strong depth players in later rounds


Best case scenario atm is to bring in 3 young former high draft picks, plus a slightly order guy that could excel in the Geelong system. PLUS the highest draft pick the club has had in 16 years.

Still potentially have a few later round picks that Wells may be able to do his magic with.

Yes, some people are doubting Bowes and Bruhn AND Henry. But all 3 have shown they are capable of getting games at Senior Level. Is there any guarantee any of our draft picks are ever going to do that? Some will argue that Bowes isn't. But give the kid one full pre-season post injury and then judge him. Plus the Danger recommendation carries more merit that BF posters TBH (sorry)

Obviously the Bowes pay complicates things, but I just see far higher upside with known quantities.

But as I said, I am likely incredibly naive.

 

[Strange Cat]

It would be amazing if we land all these trade potential with the upside of having pick 7 ….I just feel that there may be too many eggs to juggle but if those players nominate us it more than likely will happen

Just an amazing era to be a supporter with no end in sight…I hope no one is taking it for granted

 

[Turbocat]

Depends on what GC want for the Bowes + 7 deal and it also depends on your own school of thought.

If you think, regardless of the salary dump ramifications, there has to be something decent on offer for a former Top 10 selection and, more critically, pick 7 then it could be tricky for Brisbane with the other deals they need to do.

If they really only care about getting out from under Bowes salary then, in theory, they probably won't be looking for much in return at all.

Gold Coast will, I think, deal with the club Bowes wants to go to. The trick for the clubs pitching him is to convince Bowes where his future lies.

Also, Gold Coast have 3 Academy players eligible to be drafted next year and, by all accounts, 1 (maybe 2) is fairly handy so picks next year could well be attractive as they accumulate points to match bids. And GC are also likely to get Adelaide's #5 so losing pick 7 might not be as big a concern to them.

If Brisbane have capital in the 2023 draft via second & third rounders they might be able to do it and the possibility of remaining in QLD could be appealing to Bowes.

If nothing else, with all the stories in the media about player movement, this trade period is going to be fun to watch. How some of these proposed deals get done will be interesting.

Pretty much spot on. Just what appeals to Jack.

Where does Bowes see himself playing. Does he want to remain in qld?. Does he want the vic experience etc. Coming to vic ..it would change to what he has done so far with Gold Coast. More big games. He has lived under the qld sun but in footy terms ita cool climate. Does he want to live in the that football sun that big crowds, more games at the G, being the number one sport , being recognised and scrutinised. It would be a big change for him.

Also trying to convince him that there is a spot in our best 22...with the players coming in ...and so far... not many best 22 guys going for 2023.

 

[Turbocat]

We can get all three done imo because bowes wont cost stacks and we can use all our later picks and futures to generate additional currency if we need to (plus any players going like sav). We can also split 7 if we get it.

It would be a shame to split it but depending on what deal was it would be an easy way to get the deals done. What sort of split are you thinking is realistic? 7 for Henry and 16?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Four would be the max you could contemplate turning over within a year. But we did turn over four between the 2021 Prelim and the 2022 Grand Final. In the 2021 Prelim we had Henderson, Ratugolea, Higgins and Menegola. Stewart was missing so call it three.

We also need to find games for Neale, Dempsey and probably Stephens. I think Willis will be a wildcard who could push for selection.

It either means we are going to go hard on the managing older players strategy or a few will be pushed out. Selwood gives us one spot but then who? Tuohy had a great year. Hawkins shows no sign of slowing. Smith was Norm Smith FFS! Is it Danger, Duncan and Guthrie playing 18 each? Blicavs and Rohan getting a haircut?

It’s intriguing.

I think you can turn over 4-6 in a year if each one is an upgrade on form but i agree i wouldnt want to turn over more of the starting 18 than that in one year.

A couple of things.
Firstly we might not have as good an injury run next year as this year (we basically only lost danger and menegola from the starting 22 for long periods) so trade ins allow us to cover injuries without losing games as a result.
Second the older guys will need more managing as they are a year older eg i doubt hawk and smith will only miss one game between them next year.

Third i can see real circumstances in which all of hawkins smith stanley rohan menegola tuohy (ceglar will move on too but i havent included him as he is prob not best 22) go at the end of 2023 so this is probably only a one year problem anyway once we hit 2024 and those guys are gone and danger duncan guthrie and blitz are all well into their 30s there is room for everyone.

 

[DanA]

We will run a squad of 30 and all the current guys plus menegola and the trade ins will get 15 or so games as we rest older players. The advantage of trading in players is it gives us depth to rest the over 30s (danger and hawk and smith in particular) a lot more and keep them fresh for finals (you could see the benefit with danger in this year's finals). As to what the best 23 is in finals who knows it will be form dependent.

It’s all good and well to say we’ll run a squad of 30 but only 23 players played 15 games this season. I’m not sure how you can get 5 more over 15.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It would be a shame to split it but depending on what deal was it would be an easy way to get the deals done. What sort of split are you thinking is realistic? 7 for Henry and 16?

Nah im really not wanting to benefit the pies to that level.
I was thinking (assuming p18 is bruhn and we want to keep our future 1st) we might split 7 for
14 and 17 syd
12 and 19 gws
11 and 15 dogs
Obviously in each case we would need to send them later pick upgrades (which we fortunately have lots of this year) in their favour.
Then you keep 11/12/14 and send 15/17/19 for henry etc.

 

[Two Planks]

Nah im really not wanting to benefit the pies to that level.
I was thinking (assuming p18 is bruhn and we want to keep our future 1st) we might split 7 for
14 and 17 syd
12 and 19 gws
11 and 15 dogs
Obviously in each case we would need to send them later pick upgrades (which we fortunately have lots of this year) in their favour.
Then you keep 11/12/14 and send 15/17/19 for henry etc.

I'm 99% certain the club wouldn't split picks until they knew Jhye Clark was off the table

 

[Turbocat]

It would be amazing if we land all these trade potential with the upside of having pick 7 ….I just feel that there may be too many eggs to juggle but if those players nominate us it more than likely will happen

Just an amazing era to be a supporter with no end in sight…I hope no one is taking it for granted

Yes an amazing era..to see us go from middle rung club that at times was insignifcant and other times an annoyance to now being a legit club of status


It's a different era than most supporters of any club would have ever experienced. Haw and Melb had sustained success and a lot of flags. What was it like in the 60's for geelong ..1 flag and finals most years? In the 70's and the 80's ...it was the era of zones, the big melb clubs with the best zones seem to dominate ..now with the draft ..and freedom of movement players can and do choose where to live and play. I feel the system has come to us a bit. Its not only that we have done eveything within our control well... I think the comp and our location has become a tactical advantage.

Looking at our W side is looking a little bit like what were were when it was a smaller game and amateur ..but now as the comp is fully professional.. what we offer is almost unique.

A rural side that also plays big games, our own stadium but one can live close or down the coast, we have the rep for being an an enjoyable place to play.... and we offer a very competitive side.

Long may it stay that way.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Don't exactly see Rohan or Tuohy as being old enough to start being consistently 'rested' yet

they could replace them outright- no resting required

 

[thecatattack]

Don't exactly see Rohan or Tuohy as being old enough to start being consistently 'rested' yet

Rohan could be. 32 by next season and has an injury history. He only played 9 H&A games which probably put him in a good place for Finals.

 

[Turbocat]

Nah im really not wanting to benefit the pies to that level.
I was thinking (assuming p18 is bruhn and we want to keep our future 1st) we might split 7 for
14 and 17 syd
12 and 19 gws
11 and 15 dogs
Obviously in each case we would need to send them later pick upgrades (which we fortunately have lots of this year) in their favour.
Then you keep 11/12/14 and send 15/17/19 for henry etc.

My preference is to not benefit them at all and keep 7 but my guess is we will not be overly difficult to deal with..to ensure we get the deals done


So your thinking is ..something like

7 = 12 and 19 at GWS? is that basically 7 for 12 and Bruhn?


Then trade 18 and something for Henry


WE keep our Fr1 ...and end up with Bruhn, Henry, Bowes and P12 which is probably not Clark in the draft but someone handy like Mackenzie or Hollands or maybe Busslinger that gives us the tall we could never have dreamed about months ago?

.... and we put Clark of the mailing list like Bruhn and Henry

 

[bellpark]

I think the club is being realistic about our good run with injuries this year, and loading up a bit more opportunistically than usual to build a deeper quality depth to keep our system working Consistently. I also think first round picks that Have shown they can play at the level, aren’t injury prone and have a few years development are better risks with our late first round choices. It’s just a happy set of circumstances if we can add McKenna , Bowles and pick 7 as well. Mind blowing really.

 

[dazbroncos]

We have just won the flag...

Life is good down the Cattery and KP way.....

And now people want to come home...

PT 2 is in play rolled over from Pt 1

GO Catters

 

[Turbocat]

Four would be the max you could contemplate turning over within a year. But we did turn over four between the 2021 Prelim and the 2022 Grand Final. In the 2021 Prelim we had Henderson, Ratugolea, Higgins and Menegola. Stewart was missing so call it three.

We also need to find games for Neale, Dempsey and probably Stephens. I think Willis will be a wildcard who could push for selection.

It either means we are going to go hard on the managing older players strategy or a few will be pushed out. Selwood gives us one spot but then who? Tuohy had a great year. Hawkins shows no sign of slowing. Smith was Norm Smith FFS! Is it Danger, Duncan and Guthrie playing 18 each? Blicavs and Rohan getting a haircut?

It’s intriguing.

It sure will be.

Lets face it you need an ego and self belief to want to come to the flag side and think you will push you way into the best22. But our age profile...and the way we have started introduce players like Holmes... my bet is they are also sensible enough t realise by the time they are 22 there will be plenty of chances for them


Its Bowes that is the one who we must be able to convince he will play ..and there is a role for him in 23. It will help if the afl change it to 5 interchange I guess but who does he push out?

 

[MisterMarcus]

Not sure if it was mentioned in Part 1, but if Esava truly has his heart set on going somewhere else, would Fischer McAsey

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be of interest to us?

Adelaide seem to be 'encouraging him' to look elsewhere so would probably get him cheap. Would be handy depth that could grow into a solid player by learning from the experienced heads.

(Ideally of course we'd keep Esava for the KPD depth role....I'm talking if Esava is lured away).

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Henry is more valuable than Bruhn, worth a first rounder in a heartbeat.

My view of Henry - because i did watch quite a bit of Coll mainly in the 2nd half of the year

He does things which you can excite you - maybe excite you too much - like his marking

However to me - what he lacks is speed off the mark - real agility

He reminds me of a young Paul Brown - who ended up a reasonable player - but Brown when he 1st started he could take an o/head mark - and youd say -look this bloke is going to be a top liner - but he also lacked that speed and agility

I would personally pass on him- however if he comes to Geel - and im assuming Gary Rohan will play the next couple of years( and in Harry Taylors words he is the quickest bloke on list ) - then Henry wont push Rohan out of the side - because Rohan is as good - or if not better o/head mark than Henry - and he has got that explosive pace and agility - which Henry hasnt got

Henry couldnt push Will Hoskin Elliot out of Collingwoods side - thus he wont be pushing Rohan out in my opinion

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It’s all good and well to say we’ll run a squad of 30 but only 23 players played 15 games this season. I’m not sure how you can get 5 more over 15.

For a starters we didnt have many injuries and i doubt we get that lucky again next year.
Secondly we didnt rotate that aggressively this year as hawkins still played 25 games as did guthrie, smith 24 tuohy 24 (and only missed 1 due to covid) blitz 24 duncan 22 etc. Other than selwood (danger was injured) we werent that aggressive with resting players.
If we get more aggressive and most of theguys only play 20 games then you can get 15 games into 28-30 players so i assume thats what we are planning.

 

[Sky]

Tuohy probably will be next year. Completely normal for ageing players.

Hope he doesn’t miss a game next year. Will be the first man to win premierships in both games 250 and 275

 

[Commando]

Thats what the trade will cost. Whether hes worth it time will tell.

But late r1 will be the cost.

Correct
We would have used a similar pick had we not traded for Cameron, he has some exposed form and it always costs a bit more to get someone out of a club

 

[Jumping Jack]

I'm 99% certain the club wouldn't split picks until they knew Jhye Clark was off the table

If clubs are speaking with Jhye Clark (knowing Geelong will likely have pick 7) both he and his manager will be making it clear he wants to get to Geelong. Consider current go home factors at play ….. manager simply states - “look you can draft him but don’t say you weren’t warned, he’ll look for a trade home to Geelong in two years so just avoid the trouble and draft someone who wants to join your club”. It’s draft manipulation but clubs will be all over it based on recent history. Bruhn and Henry just gives it more weight.

If Geelong have pick 7 he’ll get to Geelong with that pick.


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[Sky]

Just want to say thank you to former Cats board moderators Turbocat and Pure_Ownage as the amount of time they put into Geelong’s squad and hypotheticals is top notch. Got to appreciate these guys as long as they’re still around. They’re like national treasures to this board.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not sure if it was mentioned in Part 1, but if Esava truly has his heart set on going somewhere else, would Fischer McAsey be of interest to us?

Adelaide seem to be 'encouraging him' to look elsewhere so would probably get him cheap. Would be handy depth that could grow into a solid player by learning from the experienced heads.

(Ideally of course we'd keep Esava for the KPD depth role....I'm talking if Esava is lured away).

He would have to be very cheap ie like pick 55 or 61 for me to do it.
Also not sure if we will have a spare senior list spot if we take a kpd i think its more likely we take one on the rookie list

 

[Commando]

Just want to say thank you to former Cats board moderators Turbocat and Pure_Ownage as the amount of time they put into Geelong’s squad and hypotheticals is top notch. Got to appreciate these guys as long as they’re still around. They’re like national treasures to this board.

Yep, feels like we are discussing scenarios with legitimate recruiters

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm 99% certain the club wouldn't split picks until they knew Jhye Clark was off the table

Thats a fair point and thats why we may only do that type of trade on the night (and say if someone like sheezel or wardlaw or clark or phillipou is still there clubs might come chasing our p7 (if we have it with offers) which in that case means we have to use the future 1st on henry now. Clubs also tend to pay more for pick upgrades (see the clamour for the first pick in r2 every year) on the night when they know who is there rather than in trade week when they have to guess who will be there at that pick.

The counter argument is clark is an exact perfect fit for what hawthorn need (i honestly cant see anyone they would prioritise over clark except sheezel and he prob goes before 6) so i think our club would know its very unlikely he gets past pick 6 (assuming they dont trade it) anyway in which case we might split it now to get deals done. I can see the case for both sides of that argument