Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Shadow89]

I think that Henry and Bruhn are the meat and potatoes of the Trade period for us.

Get thise 2 on the back of a Flag and it s a very successful time.

Now, adding Bowes and Pick 7 is full carb loading and gluttony that im all for.

And Mckenna would be dessert.

The rule changes from AFL house would come think and fast if we get all those home - we just do it better than most and that wont play out well in the parity world. But the reality is we are just getting it done better than the rest.

I still think getting 2 of the 4 counts as a successful period.... provided we keep some draft capital and stick to the rules.

But geez... being a destination club... so much fun.

I know we payed overs for Jezza in terms of the effects of it at the time as been eluded to ... but its worked out ok this time.
Would not want to make the overpaying the norm.

GO Catters

The other side that gets forgotten amongst the Jez, Danger, Hendo, Tuohy, Gaz Jnr, Scooter, Dahl etc. trades/FA, is the fact that every time we get one of these awesome people, they continue to boost our culture and so the cycle continues. The trades/FA salary might seem excessive at the time, but if they're helping us become a better place to be and becoming more successful on and off field in turn, then the flow on effect from that trade leads to more trades that happen in the future - which might not have happened had we acquired these great people in the first place

It's almost become a chicken and egg scenario now, as our culture is being fuelled by all the great people that keep coming in, but then our culture is what led to these people coming in/coming home - and so it continues this trade period after winning a flag

Tl;dr - success breeds success and culture breeds culture

 

[Phipppppa]

I just can’t see a fringe Collingwood player being worth a first.

And yes I know he has potential, but just personally I feel he’s put a big price tag on himself.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I just can’t see a fringe Collingwood player being worth a first.

And yes I know he has potential, but just personally I feel he’s put a big price tag on himself.

Thats what the trade will cost. Whether hes worth it time will tell.

But late r1 will be the cost.

 

[Phipppppa]

Thats what the trade will cost. Whether hes worth it time will tell.

But late r1 will be the cost.

The kid has got potential, maybe the more I think of it a late r1 will be reasonable if we are getting pick 7 in the Bowes trade.

 

[dangerwood]

In the vfl he racks them up quite well. The issue is in the afl games cooper played this year he was shunted to the wing a lot which doesnt suit him hes an atkins style clearance mid. Need to see him in that role at afl level for 10-20 games before we can make a call on him. I think he will make it if he gets that opportunity and be a good solid player.

Fair enough. The very few games I've watched in the VFL I thought he struggled a bit. It is only a small sample size from which I'm judging him.

 

[DanA]

If we somehow get all these deals done, I’m not sure how we make selection work.

If we hypothetically added Bowes, McKenna, Henry, and Bruhn then we’re committing to adding 4 players to our grand final side (minus Selwood). There are ovviosuly no guarantees but I’m sure we’d be selling a role we have in mind for them.

Then there’s every chance pick 7 would push for games, Menegola is only two year out from making the AA 40 man squad, Holmes comes in, and it’s a year we should be looking at Stephens to see if he can make it.

 

[Shadow89]

Was just thinking, if we get Bowes and Jhye Clark with Pick 7, then the talent 25 and under is starting to become really ominous from a Premiership club apparently only filled with 'aging stars.'

In no particular order:

Miers
Close
J. Henry
Bowes
O. Henry
Bruhn
O'Connor
Holmes
Stengle
C. Stephens
Knevitt
SDK
Z. Guthrie
Parfitt
Clark
Dempsey
Conway
S. Neale
Whyte
Kroeger
Willis
Ratugolea (if he stays)
Simpson (if he's retained on list)

Now not all of them will make it, and not all of them will be stars, but gee, that ain't half bad for a team who continues to keep rebuilding on the run. That's basically 23 guys 25 and under. Then if we get McKenna, you add in these guys who are over 25 (in no particular order), that will be playing when the above list has transitioned in around 2024:

Duncan
Hawkins
J. Cameron
C. Guthrie
Danger
Stewart
Bews
Kolo
Atkins
Blics
Menegola
McKenna

To be honest, it's absolutely f*cking ridiculous, when you examine the prospective list as a whole, haha

 

[FredLeDeux]

If we somehow get all these deals done, I’m not sure how we make selection work.

If we hypothetically added Bowes, McKenna, Henry, and Bruhn then we’re committing to adding 4 players to our grand final side (minus Selwood). There are ovviosuly no guarantees but I’m sure we’d be selling a role we have in mind for them.

Then there’s every chance pick 7 would push for games, Menegola is only two year out from making the AA 40 man squad, Holmes comes in, and it’s a year we should be looking at Stephens to see if he can make it.

Was just thinking, if we get Bowes and Jhye Clark with Pick 7, then the talent 25 and under is starting to become really ominous from a Premiership club apparently only filled with 'aging stars.'

In no particular order:

Miers
Close
J. Henry
Bowes
O. Henry
Bruhn
O'Connor
Holmes
Stengle
C. Stephens
Knevitt
SDK
Z. Guthrie
Parfitt
Clark
Dempsey
Conway
S. Neale
Whyte
Kroeger
Willis
Ratugolea (if he stays)
Simpson (if he's retained on list)

Now not all of them will make it, and not all of them will be stars, but gee, that ain't half bad for a team who continues to keep rebuilding on the run. That's basically 23 guys 25 and under, plus all the other Premiership players and superstars we have to help them transition through. To be honest, it's absolutely f*cking ridiculous, haha

I don't much like this sort of conjecture at this stage.

Let's wait and see how all these fantastical fever dreams pan out.

 

[God Mode]

If we somehow get all these deals done, I’m not sure how we make selection work.

If we hypothetically added Bowes, McKenna, Henry, and Bruhn then we’re committing to adding 4 players to our grand final side (minus Selwood). There are ovviosuly no guarantees but I’m sure we’d be selling a role we have in mind for them.

Then there’s every chance pick 7 would push for games, Menegola is only two year out from making the AA 40 man squad, Holmes comes in, and it’s a year we should be looking at Stephens to see if he can make it.

I imagine we'll maintain the same rotation policy we had this year. There is also room for older players to be forced out if their younger positional counterpart is playing better. If we acquire all the players you mentioned above I could see them replacing the following for periods during the season.

Rohan --> Henry
Tuohy --> Mckenna
Selwood --> Bruhn

There is also the probability of the interchange being extended to 5. The beauty of these players being so young is that its as much about the next 10 years as it is next year.

 

[Shadow89]

I don't much like this sort of conjecture at this stage.

Let's wait and see how all these fantastical fever dreams pan out.

The only difference would be Bowes and Jhye Clark from my list of 25 and under, the rest still stands given O. Henry and Bruhn have raised requests- wouldn't exactly call it a 'fantastical fever dream', IMO

 

[MacStradbroke]

The other side that gets forgotten amongst the Jez, Danger, Hendo, Tuohy, Gaz Jnr, Scooter, Dahl etc. trades/FA, is the fact that every time we get one of these awesome people, they continue to boost our culture and so the cycle continues. The trades/FA salary might seem excessive at the time, but if they're helping us become a better place to be and becoming more successful on and off field in turn, then the flow on effect from that trade leads to more trades that happen in the future - which might not have happened had we acquired these great people in the first place

It's almost become a chicken and egg scenario now, as our culture is being fuelled by all the great people that keep coming in, but then our culture is what led to these people coming in/coming home - and so it continues this trade period after winning a flag

Tl;dr - success breeds success and culture breeds culture

I still look forward to seeing what this famous ‘culture’ looks like in 5 or 6 years time when Selwood, Hawk, Danger, etc are no longer with us. I cant recall our culture being so highly spoken of through our 07 - 11 period, makes me think it may be player related more so than club. Time will tell.

 

[Shadow89]

I still look forward to seeing what this famous ‘culture’ looks like in 5 or 6 years time when Selwood, Hawk, Danger, etc are no longer with us. I cant recall our culture being so highly spoken of through our 07 - 11 period, makes me think it may be player related more so than club. Time will tell.

While true, these guys have instilled culture in our next gen. I see guys like Close, Atkins, O'Connor, Coop, Zuth and J. Henry, and they all scream leadership with how they conduct themselves on and off the field. Will obviously remain to be seen, but our culture has just gotten better year on year since our early success, IMO

 

[catempire]

If we somehow get all these deals done, I’m not sure how we make selection work.

If we hypothetically added Bowes, McKenna, Henry, and Bruhn then we’re committing to adding 4 players to our grand final side (minus Selwood). There are ovviosuly no guarantees but I’m sure we’d be selling a role we have in mind for them.

Then there’s every chance pick 7 would push for games, Menegola is only two year out from making the AA 40 man squad, Holmes comes in, and it’s a year we should be looking at Stephens to see if he can make it.

Four would be the max you could contemplate turning over within a year. But we did turn over four between the 2021 Prelim and the 2022 Grand Final. In the 2021 Prelim we had Henderson, Ratugolea, Higgins and Menegola. Stewart was missing so call it three.

We also need to find games for Neale, Dempsey and probably Stephens. I think Willis will be a wildcard who could push for selection.

It either means we are going to go hard on the managing older players strategy or a few will be pushed out. Selwood gives us one spot but then who? Tuohy had a great year. Hawkins shows no sign of slowing. Smith was Norm Smith FFS! Is it Danger, Duncan and Guthrie playing 18 each? Blicavs and Rohan getting a haircut?

It’s intriguing.

 

[catempire]

I still look forward to seeing what this famous ‘culture’ looks like in 5 or 6 years time when Selwood, Hawk, Danger, etc are no longer with us. I cant recall our culture being so highly spoken of through our 07 - 11 period, makes me think it may be player related more so than club. Time will tell.

The true legacy of these players is how successful they are in managing to shape the culture that persists into their retirement. Can they make the likes of Holmes and SDK the custodians of that culture? We will see.

 

[MacStradbroke]

While true, these guys have instilled culture in our next gen. I see guys like Close, Atkins, O'Connor, Coop, Zuth and J. Henry, and they all scream leadership with how they conduct themselves on and off the field. Will obviously remain to be seen, but our culture has just gotten better year on year since our early success, IMO

The list is phenomenal at the moment personnel wise I agree, love it.

A combo of the people currently involved, reduced hours at the club (reportedly), cheaper living conditions, more laid back lifestyle, sustained success, beaches, whatever the secret ingredient is, how good is it barracking for Geelong right now and many players wanting a piece of that action!

No cliff in sight!

 

[supahoops]

Pertinent to remember when discussing how would everyone get a game if we ace this trade period, we were in pretty rude health come September, no LTI’s and our best players were on the park 90% of the time, that won’t always be the case.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Hey... Mods.
Where's LORE's provisional draft order??
Like we had on the 1st part of this thread.

 

[Drunkcat]

We have not got 1 player yet, and people are saying we are getting 4 or 5 and how good our list will be, Talk about going a bit early, maybe we should ask your wife's lol

 

[Drunkcat]

We have not got 1 player yet, and people are saying we are getting 4 or 5 and how good our list will be, Talk about going a bit early, maybe we should ask your wife's lol

 

[DanA]

We have not got 1 player yet, and people are saying we are getting 4 or 5 and how good our list will be, Talk about going a bit early, maybe we should ask your wife's lol

We haven’t but I believe McKenna, Bruhn and Henry have nominated the cats and once that happens most of the time the player gets what they want.

 

[Shadow89]

We have not got 1 player yet, and people are saying we are getting 4 or 5 and how good our list will be, Talk about going a bit early, maybe we should ask your wife's lol

Bruhn and Henry have already requested trades, so it's not exactly outlandish what's being suggested

 

[Sky]

I hope Ratugolea doesn’t leave. He’s a butterfingers sure but has always positioned himself better than most players. Always competitive.

 

[HaroLad]

Rohan --> Henry
Tuohy --> Mckenna

Don't exactly see Rohan or Tuohy as being old enough to start being consistently 'rested' yet

 

[Phipppppa]

Don't exactly see Rohan or Tuohy as being old enough to start being consistently 'rested' yet

Tuohy probably will be next year. Completely normal for ageing players.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If we somehow get all these deals done, I’m not sure how we make selection work.

If we hypothetically added Bowes, McKenna, Henry, and Bruhn then we’re committing to adding 4 players to our grand final side (minus Selwood). There are ovviosuly no guarantees but I’m sure we’d be selling a role we have in mind for them.

Then there’s every chance pick 7 would push for games, Menegola is only two year out from making the AA 40 man squad, Holmes comes in, and it’s a year we should be looking at Stephens to see if he can make it.

We will run a squad of 30 and all the current guys plus menegola and the trade ins will get 15 or so games as we rest older players. The advantage of trading in players is it gives us depth to rest the over 30s (danger and hawk and smith in particular) a lot more and keep them fresh for finals (you could see the benefit with danger in this year's finals). As to what the best 23 is in finals who knows it will be form dependent.