Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Hinkley29]

Last year's trade period was a huge success, no doubt.

But I think it's overstated a little by how skewed the Bowes deal was. The others in isolation were about par.

There is no way they were par.

The players we got (bruhn and Henry) were potential top-10 players on our list, they had already had 2 years of development in them and we didn’t give up high picks to get them. Those deals were absolute steals.

 

[Reg Hickey]

Nah, short of a miracle, pick 25 will end up being off the list in 2-3 years time: it's worthless. Although that wouldnt stop some on this forum rating whoever we take with that pick as the next big thing and "we have to give him games to know for sure" despite the fact that this player will do sweet * all in the VFL. For some will do anything to keep the fantasy alive that a team can be built in 2023 by finding diamonds in the rough with picks in the 30' and 40's alone.

Maybe the club thought they were a legit chance of keeping Sav? In which case they a) severly overrate him and b) didnt read the bloody tea leaves last year when Sav cryptically told the club: "I want to leave"...Which is starting to indicate that maybe Mackie isnt the right person for this job. Last year we had the opportunity to extract the most from a Sav deal, this year the best possible option is to send him to the draft out of spite.

I get that we didnt really need to do much in the trade period this year, our chances next year will be defined by the health of the list and the emergence of younger players, not a big trade addition. But unless something good comes from the Sav deal, i cant for the life of me understand why we held him to his contract last year.

Someone else has already posted some successful post 25 picks across the whole league.

Here's a list of players that Stephen Wells has taken at pick 25 or later (excluding F/S):
Darren Milburn
Ronnie Burns
Paul Chapman
Cameron Ling
Corey Enright
Josh Hunt
Max Rooke
Shannon Byrnes
Matthew Egan
Trent West
Shane Mumford
Steven Motlop
Mitch Duncan
Allen Christensen
Nathan Vardy
James Podisadly
Lincoln McCarthy
Mark Blicavs
Jake Kolodjashnij
Sam Menegola
Brandon Parfitt
Tom Stewart
Esava Ratugolea
Jack Henry
Zach Guthrie
Gryan Miers
Tom Atkins
Brad Close
Mitch Knevitt
Oliver Dempsey

I also note that Steve Johnson, David Wojcinski, Tim Kelly and Toby Conway were all taken at pick 24, and Cam Guthrie at pick 23, so they just missed the list but were in the same general area of the draft.

Of course there have been quite a few misses as well, but plenty of premiership players, All-Australians and B&Fs in that list. Even a premiership captain. Not what I'd call "worthless".

 

[BORIS332]

From 33 to a pick that will end up being 29? Are you joking?

We kept him a year and it got us...exactly the same as if we had let him go last year. If we couldnt push Port to add more to the deal last year when Sav was under contract then why would we think keeping him a year and letting him go out of contract would do anything to increase the return we get for him this year.

Again, this is shaping up as a massive balls up from Mackie.

Stating the obvious but last year Sav was nowhere in his career. We held onto him hoping he'd establish himself in the best 22 and raise his draft value. It was the right move at the time. To call it a "massive balls up" because we're in the same position we were last year is wild.

 

[BigCat1]

If we offered a player a 6 year deal you can guarantee the narrative would be different.

I’m not fussed either way but if the hole out has been a pick in the 70s outright then the posturing didn’t work. 4th round picks are genuinely meaningless.

A pick slide different story. Guess we will wait and see.

 

[BORIS332]

Jordon Sweet to Port for pick 50 is done, apparently. Port now only has pick 25 in this year's draft. They only have their 2024 2nd & 3rd round picks remaining also.

Pick 25 & 2024 2nd for Esava and our future 3rd?

 

[cats_09]

Jordon Sweet to Port for pick 50 is done, apparently. Port now only has pick 25 in this year's draft.

So, Sweet has gone from a VFL ruck to a SANFL ruck...

 

[Matthew Jelley]

Seeing what was given up for Soldo, no way are we asking for too much

 

[BORIS332]

If we offered a player a 6 year deal you can guarantee the narrative would be different.

I’m not fussed either way but if the hole out has been a pick in the 70s outright then the posturing didn’t work. 4th round picks are genuinely meaningless.

A pick slide different story. Guess we will wait and see.

Port doesn't have a fourth round pick in this year or in next year's draft.

 

[moond0g]

If we offered a player a 6 year deal you can guarantee the narrative would be different.

I’m not fussed either way but if the hole out has been a pick in the 70s outright then the posturing didn’t work. 4th round picks are genuinely meaningless.

A pick slide different story. Guess we will wait and see.

Who's being offered a 6 year deal?

 

[moond0g]

Port doesn't have a fourth round pick in this year or in next year's draft.

They're going to get one from Essendon as part of the Duursma trade apparently

 

[Hinkley29]

So 1 good trade period defines a career? Or that he now gets to escape criticism forever because of it?

No.

But your argument seems to be that he has bungled the Sav situation so that makes him a crap list boss.

I ask you this, who would have played KPD in 2023 if we had traded Sav this time last year? And what was the super deal that was on the table for Sav this time last year?

 

[Larry Donohue]

Port doesn't have a fourth round pick in this year or in next year's draft.

And they can't offer their 2nd or 3rd

 

[BORIS332]

Seeing what was given up for Soldo, no way are we asking for too much

Yep, exactly. If you cancel out picks 49 & 50 - Port essentially gave up 2023 pick 49, 2024 pick 23 (Freo's 2nd), 2024 pick 70 (Port's 4th).

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Port doesn't have a fourth round pick in this year or in next year's draft.

Even if they did, I doubt that's what we've been holding out for. Surely if we had a player in mind we could just trade back in? Or they might even just be there anyway.

Warhorse is probably on the money. Low-key fringe player being organised behind closed doors.

 

[BORIS332]

And they can't offer their 2nd or 3rd

Esava is going to the National Draft.

 

[moond0g]

Jordon Sweet to Port for pick 50 is done, apparently. Port now only has pick 25 in this year's draft. They only have their 2024 2nd & 3rd round picks remaining also.

Pick 25 & 2024 2nd for Esava and our future 3rd?

They can't trade their F2 because they've traded their F1 already

 

[BORIS332]

They can't trade their F2 because they've traded their F1 already

I assumed that rule didn't matter since they traded their F1 and F4 already.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Mitch Duncan pick 28 there are a lot of good players that have been picked up in that area and let’s be honest Sav still looks like a category B rookie that is learning the game.

2009 draft was very deep. Something like 150 players taken across national and rookie drafts. Eg Crameri and Casboult were rookie picks 43 and 44 that year. The talk is the national draft will be less than 50 players this year.

 

[Two Planks]

So our only chance of getting better than pick 25 for Ratagolea is if Essendon sweeten the deal for BZT. Don't like having to rely on Dodoro

 

[No Quarter]

2009 draft was very deep. Something like 150 players taken across national and rookie drafts. Eg Crameri and Casboult were rookie picks 43 and 44 that year. The talk is the national draft will be less than 50 players this year.

To what extent is this a lasting effect of covid and recruiters not seeing a lot of them?

There could potentially be a lot of hidden gems out there

 

[BORIS332]

2009 draft was very deep. Something like 150 players taken across national and rookie drafts. Eg Crameri and Casboult were rookie picks 43 and 44 that year. The talk is the national draft will be less than 50 players this year.

74 picks taken in the 2009 national draft if you exclude rookie elevations.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

2009 draft was very deep. Something like 150 players taken across national and rookie drafts. Eg Crameri and Casboult were rookie picks 43 and 44 that year. The talk is the national draft will be less than 50 players this year.

I've already posted an example with players from virtually every draft from 2001 onwards.

There's always quality, don't get sucked into every buzzword they use.

Remember, this time last year 2022 was weak and 2023 was the draft to go hard in. Fast forward to now, and it's the same story again for 2024.

 

[SkittleCats]

No.

But your argument seems to be that he has bungled the Sav situation so that makes him a crap list boss.

I ask you this, who would have played KPD in 2023 if we had traded Sav this time last year? And what was the super deal that was on the table for Sav this time last year?

Mackie isnt anything yet, crap list boss or not, it's merely the reality that he has so far bungled the Sav deal.

We didnt keep Sav because of depth, we kept him because we thought he'd either stay or we'd get more for him in a trade after he played a full year.

Asking what anyone wouldve done had we traded him last year is moot because if we had got a good enough deal id like to think he wouldve been out the door. Port clearly didnt offer us that so we kept him. The question is if we had tried to get more from Port we were in a better position to do that last year. This year we just have to bend over and beg for mercy as that is how the AFL wants it to work when players come out of contract.

 

[SkittleCats]

Stating the obvious but last year Sav was nowhere in his career. We held onto him hoping he'd establish himself in the best 22 and raise his draft value. It was the right move at the time. To call it a "massive balls up" because we're in the same position we were last year is wild.

If we end up with 25 or walking him to the draft it is a massive balls up. Unless the deal gets better we dont come out of this looking good at all, and thats because we mismanaged the situation from the start believing that Sav would choose to stay.

 

[Hinkley29]

Mackie isnt anything yet, crap list boss or not, it's merely the reality that he has so far bungled the Sav deal.

We didnt keep Sav because of depth, we kept him because we thought he'd either stay or we'd get more for him in a trade after he played a full year.

Asking what anyone wouldve done had we traded him last year is moot because if we had got a good enough deal id like to think he wouldve been out the door. Port clearly didnt offer us that so we kept him. The question is if we had tried to get more from Port we were in a better position to do that last year. This year we just have to bend over and beg for mercy as that is how the AFL wants it to work when players come out of contract.

That makes no sense.

What demands exactly should we have made of Port last year?

I suspect that if we had traded Sav this time last year you would have complained incessantly when we were forced to play with a massive sav-sized hole in our backline in 2023.