Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[cats_09]

Would you consider 200k within touching distance? (Us offering 600k and others offering 800k?)

Do we have confirmation that's actually where things are at, or is it a bit of speculation in a slow news week footy wise...

But if you're talking about initial discussions being $150k/$200k apart, then yeah that's where you want to see a bit of give & take from both parties and see if you can meet somewhere in the middle

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Do we have confirmation that's actually where things are at, or is it a bit of speculation in a slow news week footy wise...

I’m just interested in peoples thoughts on what they consider is a fair offer from us.

 

[sexyhunk]

Would you consider 200k within touching distance? (Us offering 600k and others offering 800k?)

well over a standard 4 year deal? thats nearly a mill

 

[stac]

All of these discussions were being had only months ago re Holmes.
Todays Geelong doesn’t loose required players except for exceptional circumstances (going home to family, stupid AFL money)
No noise from stengle camp to indicate he is not happy or wants to get out of Geelong. So l am confident it will get done and get done soon.

 

[cats_09]

I’m just interested in peoples thoughts on what they consider is a fair offer from us.

Base wages + $5000 per goal contributed (kicked & assists)

In all seriousness, Stengle deserves a good bump in his salary compared that what he's been on over recent seasons - would think he's likely on more this year than he was the previous couple of seasons

But also want to be mindful that while 2022 was a great season & 2024 is looking like being another great season for him, 2023 was disappointing by the standards he's set either of it:

- In 2022 he played 25 games, ave 14.4 disposals, 2.1 goals, 1.4 clearances & 1.4 intercepts, to go with only 8 games of 1 or 0 goals kicked

- In 2024 he's played 13 games (including 1 subbed off), ave 13.9 disposals, 2.1 goals, 0.8 goal assists, 1.4 clearances & 1.1 intercepts, to go with just the 4 games of 1 or 0 goals kicked

We then compare that with his 2023 season, where he played 19 games, including being subbed off against the Eagles with a broken arm/wrist. Across the season he averaged 11.4 disposals, 1.4 goals, 0.6 goal assists, 0.7 clearances & 0.7 intercepts. Plus, he was kept to 1 or 0 goals in 12 games, with his total of 27 goals (which he's already equalled this season in 13 games) was boosted by 5 goals against North


I agree with a boost to his baseline salary, and wouldn't be opposed to an element of incentive based bonuses - don't want to be paying a salary for 4 years based on 2024 output but then having 3 years of 2023 output instead

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I imagine it's going to be a pretty bad result if we clear this cap space with stengle gone and then draft two kids in the teens

It depends on what we do with it next year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Phillips is out of contract at the end of the year but hasn't really shown anything in his four seasons. We may be able to get him cheap, though I don't like trading for blokes purely based on their draft position. Is he just a poor man's Bruhn?

I think hes ok and if he goes to a better club i can see him being a role player for a few years but i dont think he will ever be any sort of star mid.

 

[Commando]

Do we have confirmation that's actually where things are at, or is it a bit of speculation in a slow news week footy wise...

But if you're talking about initial discussions being $150k/$200k apart, then yeah that's where you want to see a bit of give & take from both parties and see if you can meet somewhere in the middle

An extra 100k pa & potentially an extra year on deal...that's a million bucks
Hardly touching distance

 

[BORIS332]

An extra 100k pa & potentially an extra year on deal...that's a million bucks
Hardly touching distance

How is that $1m?

 

[moond0g]

People always clamour for these high draft pick failures but how many of them actually turn the corner to become above average players at their second club. Watts, O'Rourke, Schahce, Paddy Dow, Dylan Stephens etc. If a top 5 pick is not wanted by their original club then it is not without reason, when you invest that much, you are doing everything possible to get a return on your investment.

Jack bowes?

 

[moond0g]

They haven't given out much detail on it, probably on purpose, but one thing it looks like they'll need is a pick in the same round to match bids.

Carlton with two camporeales in the first round would need two first rounders to match both. Not sure why Brisbane would have their knickers in a knot because they have a first for ashcroft regardless

How would that work when someone bids with one of the last picks of the round?

I think it’s better than what we’ve got now, but would need to see the detail

 

[moond0g]

Do we have confirmation that's actually where things are at, or is it a bit of speculation in a slow news week footy wise...

But if you're talking about initial discussions being $150k/$200k apart, then yeah that's where you want to see a bit of give & take from both parties and see if you can meet somewhere in the middle

That’s a $1 mil over the course of the deal. I would say that’s not in the same ballpark.

Now no guarantee those figures are correct, as you say. But if they are, I’d be more disappointed in us for not coming to the party with a fair offer than I would be in Tyson for deciding to leave.

 

[moond0g]

I’m just interested in peoples thoughts on what they consider is a fair offer from us.

I think it has to be at least $700k x 4 years given his output, the rise in cap etc.

 

[Hamingja]

Jack bowes?

Bowes has been fair. I would say a different situation with him in that GC wanted to get rid of him because of his contract rather than his playing ability.

 

[moond0g]

Bowes has been fair. I would say a different situation with him in that GC wanted to get rid of him because of his contract rather than his playing ability.

Yeah to be clear I was taking the piss more than anything. I generally agree with you.

But also if you’re taking them for nothing you only need a low hit rate, because most 4th round/rookie picks don’t make it anyway. Rohan is probably a better example of a player who sort of fits the bill. Elijah hollands was basically nothing last year and been a solid player for Carlton. So there are some examples, but I think it depends mainly on what you’re paying for them.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Yeah to be clear I was taking the piss more than anything. I generally agree with you.

But also if you’re taking them for nothing you only need a low hit rate, because most 4th round/rookie picks don’t make it anyway. Rohan is probably a better example of a player who sort of fits the bill. Elijah hollands was basically nothing last year and been a solid player for Carlton. So there are some examples, but I think it depends mainly on what you’re paying for them.

Rohan was consistently best 22 in a good Sydney team for a long time. Elijah Hollands had significant off field issues at Gold Coast and seems to have turned that around.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Phillips to be a handy player. But when you've had a solid run at it with seemingly no extenuating circumstances and shown nothing the odds are against it. And some club will throw up pick 25-30 so we're not likely to get him for a late draft pick or rookie selection.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

How would that work when someone bids with one of the last picks of the round?

I think it’s better than what we’ve got now, but would need to see the detail

You match with whatever you have in the second round but it cant be using more than 3 picks.

Stops teams accumulating 5 r3s and using them to match.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Rohan was consistently best 22 in a good Sydney team for a long time. Elijah Hollands had significant off field issues at Gold Coast and seems to have turned that around.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Phillips to be a handy player. But when you've had a solid run at it with seemingly no extenuating circumstances and shown nothing the odds are against it. And some club will throw up pick 25-30 so we're not likely to get him for a late draft pick or rookie selection.

No one is trading a early second for phillips. He will be a pick in the 50s at best if traded.

 

[gogeelongcats]

A reliable source told me Hawkins wanted to pull the plug last year. He was talked into it by the club which included an offer of extra $

I was also told he had no desire to achieve personal achievement but was keen on helping others on and off the field. That is a given.

My source would know for sure.

On that basis, there is no way he will be here next year. We will need a replacement for sure.

He has been a great servant to the club.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

How would that work when someone bids with one of the last picks of the round?

I think it’s better than what we’ve got now, but would need to see the detail

Yeah last Rd 1 pick would corner you to trade up. Even 3rd to last would give you Trade trade options, one might ask for every pick you have, the other night say flat no

 

[moond0g]

You match with whatever you have in the second round but it cant be using more than 3 picks.

Stops teams accumulating 5 r3s and using them to match.

So where is the line that you are allowed to use picks from the next round to match bids? That’s the key point.

A bid at pick 1 and you have to use a first rounder to match, you can’t just use a bunch of second rounders. Ok that’s fair, and an improvement.

But what about a bid at pick 5? pick 10? Pick 14? Pick 17? At what point can you go into the next round to match a bid? If someone can match a bid at pick 5 with 3 picks in the 30s, it’s basically the same as we have now.

 

[cats_09]

How is that $1m?

It depends on what Wage X is versus Wage Y

If you’re talking $100k vs $200k, the diff won't be $1 million; but if it's like $500k versus $600k then it can be around that mark IF there's an extra year at the higher wage

 

[Commando]

How is that $1m?

Say a 4 v 5 yr deal = term
Extra 100k each year = pa

So 500k + 5x 100k

 

[cats_09]

That’s a $1 mil over the course of the deal. I would say that’s not in the same ballpark.

Now no guarantee those figures are correct, as you say. But if they are, I’d be more disappointed in us for not coming to the party with a fair offer than I would be in Tyson for deciding to leave.

Who says we haven't put forward a fair offer though?

Just because another team decides to put a larger offer to Tyson than our offer, doesn't mean ours isn't fair

Not sure there's too many times we've tried to short change players with contract offers

 

[Lana]

There so many quick and easy fix to this
1. Get rid of the discount for first round bids (if the first round goes to pick 30 then the discount stays away for that long)
2. have the DVI zero at 60 and not 72
3. Deduct the point value at 60 from all other picks

So a pick 1 match goes from 2400 points to 2864 points

Picks 55,56,57,58,59 goes from 911 points matching 20% discounted pick 15
to 181 points matching pick pick 37, (include the discount of 20% of pick 18) , pick 47 without discount