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Strange Cat said:
When JUH was in the NGA development phase which club was spending money on this development? It was my understanding that it was originally under Geelong’s umbrella funding but WB supporters are under the impression that they were supporting that development the entire time or am I mistaken ?
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Yeah before academies existed Stokes was mentoring him but as soon as academy zones went in he flipped to the Bulldogs. He's never been a Geelong academy player.
 
ShadowCat said:
But you said this before the start of trade period?

"Don't expend any oxygen worrying about Oliver. He is not on our radar and I'm told he never was. Club is not prepared to pay overs and carry that length contract, and there's some serious doubts about off field indiscretions that have gone some way to contributing towards Melbourne's issues."
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I've mentioned this a few times but Jumping Jack was right. When it kept being rumoured that Geelong were into Oliver, we weren't. Oliver was into Geelong. Geelong weren't sold on the idea and were concerned. Oliver and his management expressed such a want to come to Geelong, that Geelong then decided to consider it if it was on the right terms.
During the trade period and after Oliver's visit, then Geelong thought the trade might get done. We didn't chase him throughout the year though, it was the other way round.
 

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Turbocat said:
I have presented my pov. And why I refereced Gawn .. who took 3 to 4 years to become ready … or Daw Simpson ..whos body never really stood up to the rigours and demands of afl.

Talent is not what I am questioning atm its if his body is to what is required at afl level. Some people just are not It has nothing to do with talent. One of the most talented players we ever had , Paul Lynch played only 62 games accross his era as his body just could not hold up to the demands.

At 4 years in …he needs to get on the ground and start playing …or others will go past him. Its the same for every player on an afl list. Daw Simpson was given a heap of years so if a club rates a player like him they will be given some time but everyone has a finite amount of time. Big guys get more leniency that those that are smaller but he the pressure eventually comes. Other players are drafted or recruited and there is a constant comp for that role in the side.

How many games has Toby played VFL and AFL combined? I cant say I have seen him play week in week out in the VFL. How does it compare to other rucks drafted. Id say he still has time , as shown by the contract renewal but he needs to get on the ground and start playing and reminding all what he has to offer or guys like Edwards (who has his own issues) will push ahead …or maybe Geelong just goes and recruits someone else.
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You seemed to be concerned Turbocat: about how limited games Toby has played, as with me I'm not concerned at all other than if the club had any serious concerns about his body holding up then they would have never resigned him. That was the 'key issue for me' and as I've stated a few times now I see Toby being in the top 3 ruckman in the AFL and in time he will be unless of course his body doesn't cope with the demands of being an AFL ruckman. But given the club has resigned him and there is reasonable confidence with Chris Scott and Toby himself that all will be fine, I'm very much looking forward to Toby getting AFL games either in the 2nd half of the 2025 season or if not, he'll be raring to go for 2026 but whenever the time comes it will be worth the wait.... and GO CATS !!!
 
Jumping Jack said:
No doubt there's a bit of fun speculating and throwing around scenarios that could see us get Reid. History tells us however, that if Reid were to tell WCE he wants out - and he also nominated Geelong - then I think we have a reasonable idea how that plays out.

My mail is that Oliver was over the line and thought he was a Geelong player - well before the Rhys Stanley farm visit. Another hour of trade deadline and he was a Geelong player 100%. These deals generally have a knack of getting done - particularly when Geelong are involved. So my point here is that arguments over 3x first round picks etc are just semantics. WCE don't want a player who openly says they want out (Oscar Allen the same) and clubs won't damage their reputations amongst players and player managers by being seen to be hard to deal with.

If we get to the point where Reid wants out - and he wants Geelong - then he'll be a Geelong player. And popular opinion seems to point to Hawks or Geelong. Both clubs offer varying points of difference but hopefully the pull of family and a childhood love of Geelong are enough.
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Does he have family in the region?
 
Gazza Greatness said:
You seemed to be concerned Turbocat: about how limited games Toby has played, as with me I'm not concerned at all other than if the club had any serious concerns about his body holding up then they would have never resigned him. That was the 'key issue for me' and as I've stated a few times now I see Toby being in the top 3 ruckman in the AFL and in time he will be unless of course his body doesn't cope with the demands of being an AFL ruckman. But given the club has resigned him and there is reasonable confidence with Chris Scott and Toby himself that all will be fine, I'm very much looking forward to Toby getting AFL games either in the 2nd half of the 2025 season or if not, he'll be raring to go for 2026 but whenever the time comes it will be worth the wait.... and GO CATS !!!
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One last go…then I think I will just move on.

I hope you are right. I hope he does get to show all and become etc. Ideally this year we see him playing a strong group of games and pushes into the afl team. I am not saying he will not do that ..simply saying that the time is coming where he needs to be playing or he may see others push past him. Its the afl way. COS comes in and surprises...plays the way he does…and somebody is going to miss out on a game as he looks too good to drop.

As it is now, we have Stanley in the side as a ruck. We are lucky to have him as a backup but it should be a younger ruckman's time. Toby is only 22 so in age he has potentially plenty of time in the afl system but Geelong also has Edwards and Pike and Molier as slightly younger guys just under him. Its not unrealistic to see Edwards coming in and playing a game or two this year. The thing is he too has had his issues which probably helps Toby a bit. Pike is a similar sort of player to Toby ..if he could get his fitness up then he might start pushing his case if we are in need. Sam Dek is the type that Scotty likes.. and while Geelong has drafted these young guys, if they feel they will still be some time before ready, they may see that they need to trade in a mature pnp type to play for a couple of years.

Im less convinced by the extension of contract .. as it would take the most dire presentation of a negative future prognosis to see a player like him not offered a new contract. They want him tied up , especially on a base frugal contract. I believe that the new will take him thru to 2027 , so 25, 26 and 27 will gradually become critical for him at geelong. Year 5 and Year 6 ..most would expect performance. There is probably a practical element to it too. It would be regretful if he were to actually get on the field and play well and then be vultured by another club.
 
cats_09 said:
Based on some quick research, it would seem that Tom is the oldest of 3 sons

Not sure if you can help with clarity around Tom's NGA eligibility, but I'm thinking it's based on point 3 from the below:

ELIGIBILITY​

To qualify for the Geelong Cats NGA the player:

  1. Resides in the Geelong Cats zone in Victoria or the Northern Territory
  2. Identifies as Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander
  3. Was born in an African, Asian or non-English speaking country
  4. Has at least one parent born in an African or Asian country; or
  5. Has both parents born in a non-English speaking country other than Africa or Asia

www.geelongcats.com.au

Next Geneneration Academy

The Next Generation Academies (NGA's) are a joint initiative between the AFL and AFL Clubs aimed at the attraction, retention and development of all talented players.
www.geelongcats.com.au www.geelongcats.com.au
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Have no knowledge of his NGA eligibility. My youngest son played against I’d assume the youngest brother last season. He goes ok in the SMJFL.
 

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One gets the vibe that Ralph has no love for Geelong …...




John Ralph: Jamarra Ugle-Hagan will get a second chance after he leaves Bulldogs, but not on his terms​



Jamarra Ugle-Hagan should be looking at $15 million contracts right now to make him one of the richest players in AFL history.
Instead he should heed the example of four-time best-and-fairest winner Jack Steven to witness how quickly fame and fortune can vanish in the AFL.

As Ugle-Hagan’s relationship with the Dogs reaches rock bottom he is now prohibitively long odds to ever play with this team again.

The lesson learnt from over 100 years of AFL football is that no one will ever give up on talent.

No matter how often a player self-sabotages their career or tries to fritter away their talent if an iota of what made them great remains a club will take a chance on them.

But those clubs will do so on their own terms.

It should not have gone unnoticed that in the same week that Ugle-Hagan’s struggles reached a new point of crisis, Chris Scott was making clear the club was happy to have “dangerous conversations”.

The Herald Sun revealed last month that the Cats were interested in Ugle-Hagan but earlier in the season Ugle-Hagan seemed at least to be making minor progress in his path towards VFL football.

Now Ugle-Hagan is adrift again, as the Dogs and those trying to help him consider whether it is best for him to step away from the club for an indefinite break.

The Dogs are not interested in cutting a deal for his 2026 contract even though it might save them some of the $800,000 plus on his deal next season.

Instead they would allow him to work on his significant issues away from the club in a manner that allowed them to sidestep the daily distractions that the Jamarra circus provides.

If he did attempt to cut ties with the Dogs at year’s end – despite a contract for 2026 – there would still be no shortage of suitors.

The issue for him is at what price.

Geelong took a punt on Tyson Stengle and turned him into an All Australian and premiership player.

They also traded for St Kilda best-and-fairest winner Jack Steven despite a year in which he took indefinite leave for mental health issues.

Early on in his single year in Geelong he was stabbed by someone known to him, played seven games and was gone from the AFL landscape by year’s end.

He should still be rightfully proud of his 192-game AFL career, but the manner in which it can go so quickly is a reminder to Ugle-Hagan of the precious nature of AFL football.

So Ugle-Hagan will get chances, but they might no longer be on his own terms.

Steven was traded for pick 58 and a modest deal despite being a St Kilda star.

Ben Cousins was picked up by Richmond with pick 6 in the pre-season draft when no other club would consider him.

So those clubs would still see Ugle-Hagan as a restoration project, but potentially for a throwaway pick and a throwaway price……….

As much as that would seem a harsh and calculated decision, a club that lost Bailey Smith for pick 17 must ponder those kinds of decisions if they are to remain in the premiership window.

Clubs cannot lose No. 1 overall picks for late selections without it coming back to bite their list build.

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Turbocat said:
One gets the vibe that Ralph has no love for Geelong …...




John Ralph: Jamarra Ugle-Hagan will get a second chance after he leaves Bulldogs, but not on his terms​



Jamarra Ugle-Hagan should be looking at $15 million contracts right now to make him one of the richest players in AFL history.
Instead he should heed the example of four-time best-and-fairest winner Jack Steven to witness how quickly fame and fortune can vanish in the AFL.

As Ugle-Hagan’s relationship with the Dogs reaches rock bottom he is now prohibitively long odds to ever play with this team again.

The lesson learnt from over 100 years of AFL football is that no one will ever give up on talent.

No matter how often a player self-sabotages their career or tries to fritter away their talent if an iota of what made them great remains a club will take a chance on them.

But those clubs will do so on their own terms.

It should not have gone unnoticed that in the same week that Ugle-Hagan’s struggles reached a new point of crisis, Chris Scott was making clear the club was happy to have “dangerous conversations”.

The Herald Sun revealed last month that the Cats were interested in Ugle-Hagan but earlier in the season Ugle-Hagan seemed at least to be making minor progress in his path towards VFL football.

Now Ugle-Hagan is adrift again, as the Dogs and those trying to help him consider whether it is best for him to step away from the club for an indefinite break.

The Dogs are not interested in cutting a deal for his 2026 contract even though it might save them some of the $800,000 plus on his deal next season.

Instead they would allow him to work on his significant issues away from the club in a manner that allowed them to sidestep the daily distractions that the Jamarra circus provides.

If he did attempt to cut ties with the Dogs at year’s end – despite a contract for 2026 – there would still be no shortage of suitors.

The issue for him is at what price.

Geelong took a punt on Tyson Stengle and turned him into an All Australian and premiership player.

They also traded for St Kilda best-and-fairest winner Jack Steven despite a year in which he took indefinite leave for mental health issues.

Early on in his single year in Geelong he was stabbed by someone known to him, played seven games and was gone from the AFL landscape by year’s end.

He should still be rightfully proud of his 192-game AFL career, but the manner in which it can go so quickly is a reminder to Ugle-Hagan of the precious nature of AFL football.

So Ugle-Hagan will get chances, but they might no longer be on his own terms.

Steven was traded for pick 58 and a modest deal despite being a St Kilda star.

Ben Cousins was picked up by Richmond with pick 6 in the pre-season draft when no other club would consider him.

So those clubs would still see Ugle-Hagan as a restoration project, but potentially for a throwaway pick and a throwaway price……….

As much as that would seem a harsh and calculated decision, a club that lost Bailey Smith for pick 17 must ponder those kinds of decisions if they are to remain in the premiership window.

Clubs cannot lose No. 1 overall picks for late selections without it coming back to bite their list build.

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Tl:dr jamarra needs to go back to the dogs and stay away from Geelong or he's getting stabbed apparently
 

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Ralph thinks the Dogs, and anyone else for that matter, cannot afford to lose a Pick 1 for nothing. Fair enough, but I am pretty sure that ship has sailed.

There was a time when Dusty Martin was considered to be going off the rails. Richmond employed Chocko Williams to basicly mentor Dusty one on one. 3 Norm Smiths later...

I imagine something similar could be put in place for Jamarra. Worth the investment and the risk. I hope the Cats are putting a plan together.
 
Pure_Ownage said:
Bailey Williams is a spud I would spew if we went near him.
Bryan is a no now he's done an acl.
There is Draper but id be really surprised if we did.
Reeves isn't a Geelong style ruck.
Marshall is contracted long term-while I'd love him I don't see st kilda moving.
Tdk would be ideal but we aren't going to pay him 1.5 so he won't come.
I wonder if we would go at ROB again as a free agent to buy us 2 years to find a better ruck? I'd take pittonet but Carlton won't move him if tdk goes.
You could always try and get someone like ramsden or visinteni cheap as a gap filler. The other option is soldo but I doubt he passes a medical.
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We could probably get RoB for nothing if the Crows get Draper. Would we really want to, though? He's a spud. He is useless around the ground, and got done by Stanley - a mid-30s Stanley on his last legs. He'd offer less than what Ceglar offered.

Pittonet or Marshall would both be great. I don't see why we couldn't target one of the two, depending on what TDK does. The rest of your suggestions, I don't really think they offer anything of value. We'd be better off just rotating Blitz, Neale and SDK.
 
Phill Hendo said:
Ralph thinks the Dogs, and anyone else for that matter, cannot afford to lose a Pick 1 for nothing. Fair enough, but I am pretty sure that ship has sailed.

There was a time when Dusty Martin was considered to be going off the rails. Richmond employed Chocko Williams to basicly mentor Dusty one on one. 3 Norm Smiths later...

I imagine something similar could be put in place for Jamarra. Worth the investment and the risk. I hope the Cats are putting a plan together.
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They never had pick 1 to begin with so not sure the criticism is valid. Earliest pick they gave up for JUH was 29
 
Strange Cat said:
Need a shower after heading over to the dogs boards to read up on JUH.m a few of their posters are writing absolute drivel about Geelong , saying we are orchestrating JUH to act like this to get him and calling us cotton on as saying we are under audit (bare in mind every club ).

The hatred is real over there , Tigers level irrationality on that board.

And for the doggies supporters reading this I very much doubt Geelong will touch him if his deep ties with bikies is true.
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Hawthorn supporters coined the term 'Headf***ed' a few years back to describe opposition hatred and delusion.

We've well and truly taken over that title. It's ridiculous how rife it is.

Even the Harley stuff too. Under that Twomey quote where he talks about Geelong and Hawthorn being the frontrunners, the entire comment section is "Please, anyone but Geelong!!".

It's better to be hated than loved in sport. There's a reason Norf, St Kilda, and the Dogs are people's 'second teams' but it's still asylum level behaviour.
 
cats_09 said:
I totally get questions around cultural concerns at the Bulldogs when you read/hear stories about past happenings involving players like Boyd or Stringer, or why do guys like Dunkley, Daniel, Macrae who've seemingly got their heads screwed on and could provide that grounding culture at their club but are then looking for new homes

And obviously we've benefited from a couple of additions who maybe weren't always angels during their Bulldogs days in Dahlhaus & Smith but transitioned into life at the KP

We know it's not limited to those mentioned above, though a difference between hearing the stories of the antics that Bulldogs players have got up to compared with not hearing the same from other clubs doesn't necessarily mean it's not happening at other clubs, just that other clubs may be better at not allowing too many of those stories to hit the headlines


But when we now look at the current situation with JUH, I'm not sure that's necessarily on the Bulldogs and/or Beveridge; instead it's more about the individual and the choices they're currently making. Jamarra may not be the one posting to socials the videos of what he's been getting up to with his mates, but he is the one making the decision to go out and be seen with espresso martinis, be acting like an idiot while someone films etc


We need to remember that there's times when the decisions an individual makes or antics they get up to are purely reflective of the individual, and not reflective of the club environment
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I’m not saying there is a cultural issue due to JUH, I am saying this due to a pattern of behaviors and opinions from multiple players and officials.

Brett goodes has said to people ( was indigenous cultural worker at both doggies and cats) said that the culture at geelong is far superior.

Bailey smith has had a swipe at their club culture, macrae wanted out also, JUH seems to now all of a sudden not want anything to do with the joint and is having a crisis…

It may well not be related to the club the JUH one, but if you are a person who is vulnerable to poor choices or going through mental health problems, a toxic poor environment will exacerbate these problems x10. Which may or may not be the case with JUH.. not enough info to be conclusive
 
dazbroncos said:
agreed - Bevo seems like a bit of a tosser actually IMO but JUH smashing desserts with his hands and drinking espresso martinis while not playing bc he's not in a fit mental state is poor optics.

Not saying JUH cant have and been dealing with the issues he faces - but hes under contract to play and the not sure that behaviour in public sends the best message that im working on it and trying to resolve what I need to do.


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Tbh the videos of him emerging to me are blown up and irrational… a 23yo kid went out at night for some martinis and smashed a dessert open with his fist..what wrong message does this send??

What if JUH spent the entire morning and evening in the gym and then had several intensive rehab sessions with clinicians??? And as part of his therapy he is advised to go out and enjoy time with friends or family to help his mental health.and he has some w***er trying to post videos of him in isolation to make him look bad..

Is that a terrible look??

We have absolutely 0 context or informati on about what he actually spends his days doing besides a video of him drinking a martini and having fun at a dessert bar at night.
 
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