Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[frggr]

Some serious over-valuation of Lawson Humphries going on in this thread….

He has all the makings of a quality half back flank but ‘good’ half backs are a dime in a dozen.

Disagree - there are plenty of good half-back flanks, sure, but he's better than good.

Rarely beaten, excellent skills both sides and reads the play better than the smartest Collingwood supporter reading Cat In A Hat with help from their trusted grown up.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It's not just $1 million per season - it's over $1 million per season and approaching $1.4/$1.5 million in the coming years

Do you genuinely believe that Oliver is worth paying well over $1 million per season for the next 5 years which would make him the highest paid player at the club, and giving up a first round pick in the process?

If we're giving up a first round pick for him, then Melbourne needs to be the team paying 7 figures of his salary each year with us paying less than the AFL average

Besides all that, it genuinely wouldn't be surprising to see him as all bar a permanent VFL player within 3 seasons unless he manages to totally turn things around

You can't come to this analysis having earlier advocated for Parfitt over Oliver. A player who was never anything but a list clogging plodder.

 

[Del216647]

Some serious over-valuation of Lawson Humphries going on in this thread….

He has all the makings of a quality half back flank but ‘good’ half backs are a dime in a dozen.

He's a 22-year-old mature-age player with only 25-games to his name. Why can't he be developed into a gun midfielder? He has all the tools. I wouldn't be just pigeonholing him as a half-back flanker at this early stage in his career.

No reason why he can't become much more than that with further exposure and experience at this level. The sky is the limit with players who possess his skill set. We are only scratching the surface with Lawson..

 

[small 4wards]

You can't come to this analysis having earlier advocated for Parfitt over Oliver. A player who was never anything but a list clogging plodder.

You can't have this opinion because you also had this other opinion I disagreed about !!

This is just a cheap shot at Parf.
I'd take him on a 200k-300k contract rather than Oliver with his contract 100%

 

[dangerwood]

Surely Neale would be part of any deal to get Reid.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You can't have this opinion because you also had this other opinion I disagreed about !!

It's the same topic. How can someone correctly be wary of Oliver and his 1m+ contract but make such a blunder call only a night earlier on the same player.

This is just a cheap shot at Parf.
I'd take him on a 200k-300k contract rather than Oliver with his contract 100%

I wouldn't take him if he was free. And you're damn right its a shot at him.
The worst 100 gamer at this club in half a century. And fans still pine for him.

 

[dazbroncos]

Melbourne will be looking to freshen up. They will change their stagnant midfield and want to add more pace. If Oliver wants to leave, why would you keep him? They signed him for over market value and would have to incur part of this. For $1m per year and our first-round pick, I would do it for sure.

Differing opinions for sure but with the indexed contract for CO and it’s horribly high starting point.. even with MFC chipping in.. it just seems so opposite our capped pay scale for a 29 yo bloke that’s not that hot.

As I said - just different opinions.

Go Catters

 

[cats_09]

You can't come to this analysis having earlier advocated for Parfitt over Oliver. A player who was never anything but a list clogging plodder.

If Oliver was our of contract & available on the open market, the simply fact is that no team would be putting a 5yr, million+ dollar per year deal in front of him based on his form over the past few seasons - but that's exactly where he's at due to the ridiculous contract Melbourne signed him to back in 2022

So yeah, I'm more than happy to say that he's worth neither the contract he's on nor a first round pick

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Surely Neale would be part of any deal to get Reid.

A Judd Kennedy scenario... ??
Nah i'll keep Neale unless we have a Cadman or a Treacy heading to the cattery in free agency.
Key Talls are hard to come by. Mids are a dime a dozen like flankers apparently. hehe tongue/cheek/etc etc

 

[cats_09]

Surely Neale would be part of any deal to get Reid.

Why?

He signed a 3yr extension back in March - if he was looking to keep his options open and a potential return to WA, he's not signing that deal

 

[Spearman]

He's a 22-year-old mature-age player with only 25-games to his name. Why can't he be developed into a gun midfielder? He has all the tools. I wouldn't be just pigeonholing him as a half-back flanker at this early stage in his career.

No reason why he can't become much more than that with further exposure and experience at this level. The sky is the limit with players who possess his skill set. We are only scratching the surface with Lawson..

Might sometimes get overlooked when his skills are so good, but he has a good head on his shoulders. He's not some kid coming out of the draft into money. He's had to work harder, do some growing, and now is getting the rewards. These are priceless and now known. At worst, a high level role player and leader. At best, as you say - sky's the limit.
Reid is unknown. He may well have it inside him, but like most other things about him, it's potential. If he has Humphries' or Smith's work ethic then he'll be great. But we don't know as its not been displayed yet.
Lawson is a huge asset for any team and not to be taken lightly due to his position on the field.

 

[Spearman]

It's the same topic. How can someone correctly be wary of Oliver and his 1m+ contract but make such a blunder call only a night earlier on the same player.

I wouldn't take him if he was free. And you're damn right its a shot at him.
The worst 100 gamer at this club in half a century. And fans still pine for him.

Who's pining for him? All I've seen is best wishes and support for him signing on somewhere else.

 

[GlenMiddlemissed]

I wonder if one of the mods could set up a poll either in this thread or its own to find out what the majority of BF posters think about the Harley Reid potential recruitment - specifically what he is worth? I have heard extremes including 3 first round picks plus 2 better than average players and 3 first round and 2 future picks. I wouldn't give more than 1 first and 1 second round picks, maybe that is the other extreme? It would be interesting to find out the majority view.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I wonder if one of the mods could set up a poll either in this thread or its own to find out what the majority of BF posters think about the Harley Reid potential recruitment - specifically what he is worth? I have heard extremes including 3 first round picks plus 2 better than average players and 3 first round and 2 future picks. I wouldn't give more than 1 first and 1 second round picks, maybe that is the other extreme? It would be interesting to find out the majority view.

You'd definitely be the other extreme to me who advocates 3 years of firsts and 2 years of seconds. But i can understand the hesitation.

 

[moond0g]

OOC different to being a free agent though - Sydney would still have to agree to a trade, otherwise Ladhams would have to go through the draft if he's the one to walk away from the club compared with Sydney delisting him without offering a contract

I'm not opposed to the someone like Ladhams, but he'd also have to want to move - if both clubs express their interest and he's looking at similar contracts, maybe he stays in Sydney to avoid the need to move

We also need to factor in that recent reports suggest Stanley is necessarily going to retire at seasons end and could continue into next year

Yes, I understand the difference between OOC and FA. But there's very little precedent for a club to dig their heels in about a 27yo OOC player that has played 8 games in the past 2 years. So, If he said he wanted to come here, he would get to us no problem.

Whether he would want to move, I have no idea. But I can't see why he would want to stay at Sydney where he is basically no chance of usurping Grundy as the number 1 ruck. That may change if Sydney are willing to give him a multi year extension to be a backup, but I'm not sure that would be forthcoming.

We would probably be the most appealing club of any for a fringe ruck. I respect what Stanley has been able to deliver for our club over a long time now, but he would be one of the weakest first choice rucks in the league. He's also 34yo and will possibly retire anyway. If he stays, he will likely have 1 more year at most. If he goes, we have kids who have played <10 games combined or stop-gaps (SDK & Blicavs). Those kids may end up being guns. But if you're a fringe ruck, we would be more appealing than most clubs I can think of.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Edwards yes. Dempsey and Humphries no chance.

Agreed.

 

[dangerwood]

Why?

He signed a 3yr extension back in March - if he was looking to keep his options open and a potential return to WA, he's not signing that deal

I wasn't meaning he wanted to leave but if the reports are right that we are confident we can make a deal happen, surely he would be part of it.

We don't have the picks, and we aren't going to send a random Vic kid over to WA so surely if it was to happen he'd be part of the conversation?

Humphries, Neale + picks?

I'm not saying either are angling to leave but what else are the possibilities? People mention Edwards and maybe he could be but despite our internal eagerness for him to play, he's done little to increase his draft capital since selected.

 

[cats_09]

I wasn't meaning he wanted to leave but if the reports are right that we are confident we can make a deal happen, surely he would be part of it.

We don't have the picks, and we aren't going to send a random Vic kid over to WA so surely if it was to happen he'd be part of the conversation?

Humphries, Neale + picks?

I'm not saying either are angling to leave but what else are the possibilities? People mention Edwards and maybe he could be but despite our internal eagerness for him to play, he's done little to increase his draft capital since selected.

I'm still not sure why it would be thought that either/both Humphries and Neale would "surely be part of the conversation"?

Neale doesn't re-sign in March for 3 if he's have thought about where his future lies beyond this season - he looks very settled in Geelong and focused on being part of the future here

Humphries has already extended his initial contract once and there's currently no indication he's looking at going elsewhere

The only way the name of any player on the list comes up in any serious trades discussion is if that player approaches the club and is the one to request a trade - we just need to look back to last trade period when the Bulldogs enquired about Clohesy being part of the Smith trade but were straight up told no

If the club rejected a 3 game rookie being part of a trade where we knew a first round pick was going to be involved, then I'm pretty comfortable to say that names like Neale, Humphries & Edwards aren't going to be offered up by the club without the player first requesting a trade

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I'm still not sure why it would be thought that either/both Humphries and Neale would "surely be part of the conversation"?

Neale doesn't re-sign in March for 3 if he's have thought about where his future lies beyond this season - he looks very settled in Geelong and focused on being part of the future here

Humphries has already extended his initial contract once and there's currently no indication he's looking at going elsewhere

The only way the name of any player on the list comes up in any serious trades discussion is if that player approaches the club and is the one to request a trade - we just need to look back to last trade period when the Bulldogs enquired about Clohesy being part of the Smith trade but were straight up told no

If the club rejected a 3 game rookie being part of a trade where we knew a first round pick was going to be involved, then I'm pretty comfortable to say that names like Neale, Humphries & Edwards aren't going to be offered up by the club without the player first requesting a trade

3 game rookie? Which trade?

 

[Grimoz]

Surely Neale would be part of any deal to get Reid.

Well if Allen leaves they may very well ask that question, doubt it happens but its all in the realms of possibility.

 

[cats_09]

3 game rookie? Which trade?

Through to the end of last season, Clohesy had only played 3 games, all as the starting sub

As part of negotiations for Smith last year, the Bulldogs asked about Ted being part of the trade and Mackie told them no

 

[frggr]

'Footy makes me most happy': Pull home won't sway Power gun's decision

Zak Butters says he'll put footy over family when deciding his long-term future

www.afl.com.au

Relevant quotes from the man himself below. Seems a bit vague.

The Victorian-born dynamo, who has won the Power's past two club champion awards, will weigh his options at the end of the season.

"I will go back and have a good think about it in the off-season," Butters told reporters on Wednesday.

"When I probably get to sit down and actually think about things a bit more and you're not in the hustle and bustle of footy and trying to win and trying to compete and trying to get better, you can sit back and think about it.

"And probably chat to a few people about it as well, but no particular timeline."
Butters said the pull of his family in Melbourne wouldn't outweigh football factors.

"There's a number of things - family, friends ... but the number one thing for me is footy," the 24-year-old said.

"I am here to play footy, I am here to do that and footy is the top priority.

"Family is good, friends are good. But footy makes me most happy so that is always my top priority.

"Mum and dad pretty much just always say do what makes you happy ... they're not too fussed."

"There is a lot of noise about it ... it is what it is," he said.

"To be honest, I haven't really thought about it too much lately. I think other people probably think about it more than I probably do.

"But right at the moment, the season is very much alive for us.

"I know we have to get a lot of things right and do a lot of good things but while it's alive, it's alive - and that excites me.

"I don't think I am going to rush ... it's a big decision but I am committed and I am in (at Port)."

Butters said his values "align really well" with Port, which is in 12th spot ahead of a coaching handover at season's end from Ken Hinkley to Josh Carr

Josh Carr

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4.0

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3.3

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2.0

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"I have been lucky enough to be at this club for a while now and be part of some pretty successful teams," Butters said.

"We probably haven't got the pinnacle which I live and die by, I want to get there as quick as I can and be in that spot.

"But I have also been lucky to be in a very good team for a long time so I won't forget that either."

 

[Mr Meow]

I wasn't meaning he wanted to leave but if the reports are right that we are confident we can make a deal happen, surely he would be part of it.

We don't have the picks, and we aren't going to send a random Vic kid over to WA so surely if it was to happen he'd be part of the conversation?

Humphries, Neale + picks?

I'm not saying either are angling to leave but what else are the possibilities? People mention Edwards and maybe he could be but despite our internal eagerness for him to play, he's done little to increase his draft capital since selected.

Name the last time Geelong just traded off a starting KPP and gun-in-the-making flanker to bring in a player?

Did we do it for Ottens, Dangerfield or Cameron?

We will offer picks and maybe peripheral players. It'll be enough, or it won't. A package of Neale, Humphries and co is not going to be on the table.

 

[Mr Meow]

'Footy makes me most happy': Pull home won't sway Power gun's decision

Zak Butters says he'll put footy over family when deciding his long-term future

www.afl.com.au

Relevant quotes from the man himself below. Seems a bit vague.

Butters has the class in skills that Holmes and Smith sometimes lack. He's not a big bodied grunt, but wins plenty of contested ball. A genuine inside/outside midfielder with finishing skills.

I'm not sure how likely he is to come to Geelong, but we'd be foolish not to try and persuade him. He's been a top 10-15 player in the comp for several years and is still fairly young. He probably has 5 more years in his prime.

 

[frggr]

Butters has the class in skills that Holmes and Smith sometimes lack. He's not a big bodied grunt, but wins plenty of contested ball. A genuine inside/outside midfielder with finishing skills.

I'm not sure how likely he is to come to Geelong, but we'd be foolish not to try and persuade him. He's been a top 10-15 player in the comp for several years and is still fairly young. He probably has 5 more years in his prime.

Might be able to teach a few of our boys about how to deliver and accept contact too! Head Coach of the Mongrel Division!