Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[Baudolino]

Curnow to Sydney makes way more sense than Curnow to Geelong. We do need a KPF, but we really need a younger KPF to eventually supplement Neale and replace Cameron - someone like Cadman - not a prime-age KPF like Curnow. Sydney on the other hand should be moving heaven and earth to try and get Curnow over the line. They're desperately crying out for a dominant readymade KPF.

 

[FootyLad0]

Max Holmes will be a far better player than Curnow has or ever will be….i know controversial but to me a couple elite peak years mixed in with a bunch of very average years to go along with injury prone years doesn’t match with consistently great years that should continue for the next decade.

It’s all in Max’s hands to reach that level. And I’m not saying Charlie hasn’t been a superstar, I just think he had a very short peak window of it and it’s already closed.

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

It's not about the pay cut though its about satisfying Carlton in a trade and that will be next to impossible. Factoring in where their list is at and the likely bids on Dean this year and walker next year they wont want picks. They will trade him for players only and they wouldn't even pick up the phone unless we offered someone like Holmes, neale or sdk which we wouldn't do. I doubt he gets a trade.

I would trade SDK for Curnow, would we go for the track?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

No idea how hawks get that one done under contract. Port will demand a lot

They do have Carltons first and second. They're in a better position than most clubs zak would look at

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Like I know the Cats dont need another old KPF. But he's Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

. Guys a freak. Why wouldn't you take him?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Like I know the Cats dont need another old KPF. But he's Charlie Curnow. Guys a freak. Why wouldn't you take him?

We'd get totally cleaned out in the process and we have other needs.

It's like saying you need a big yard for your kids to play in so you spend every dollar you have on a house with a massive block but it's on the other side of the city to your work and now you can't afford to buy a car, and the school zone is awful but you can't afford private school.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

They do have Carltons first and second. They're in a better position than most clubs zak would look at

How was Carlton dumb enough to do that

 

[dudusmaximus]

We'd get totally cleaned out in the process and we have other needs.

It's like saying you need a big yard for your kids to play in so you spend every dollar you have on a house with a massive block but it's on the other side of the city to your work and now you can't afford to buy a car, and the school zone is awful but you can't afford private school.

Wait.. That's not what the Real Estate Agent said..

 

[dudusmaximus]

Never take stock tips from Ross & SOS. They didn't price "Desperation to leave Carlton". TDK probably struggled to keep a straight face during the deal!

Also, SOS & Hirdy's "Contrarian" thinking has meant nothing but trouble. They were no "knights in shining armour". It'll be a case study of how, not having institutional safeguards, can wreak havoc.

 

[dudusmaximus]

How was Carlton dumb enough to do that

Why is the sky blue? Why do stars shine?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Max Holmes will be a far better player than Curnow has or ever will be….i know controversial but to me a couple elite peak years mixed in with a bunch of very average years to go along with injury prone years doesn’t match with consistently great years that should continue for the next decade.

It’s all in Max’s hands to reach that level. And I’m not saying Charlie hasn’t been a superstar, I just think he had a very short peak window of it and it’s already closed.

I'm only going for Curnow if it's a few picks and a Clark or Knevitt type, and Carlton will never do that.

If we're being asked to give up any of Baz, Holmes, Dempsey, Neale, O'Sullivan, Humphries, Miers, etc then you walk away immediately, and that's what they're going to want.

We've finally got the opportunity here to have a real core group grow together over the course of 5-10 years and compete for premierships together.

Keep adding to it, don't break them up. I'd only consider losing one if Butters became available and wanted Geelong, as he's exactly what we need.

Curnow on the other hand doesn't move the needle for us, as good as he may be. He's a much better footballer, but it reminds me of the proposed Neale + picks for Waterman deals last year. Would have been a disaster.

In all likelihood, we'd be breaking up a core, losing picks, and getting older, just to stay in the same spot, give or take 10%.

 

[Turbocat]

Curnow theoretical throws up a few issues which are gripes in the modern trade enviorment

Players who sign for years and years … but then want out ..and then want/hope/expect a trade to be able to get done… especially for a player who might be a little banged up of free agent age. The situation compared to Jack Silvangi is interesting not the same level of player…but he has control and has the ability to exit which has seen his value sky rocket. If Curnow was a free agent now…instead of talk pay cut , he might be getting offers in excess of what his contract currently is and perhaps as long in years.

I wonder if this weeks game final for Gold Coast will have an affect. If they fail in their forwardline.. would they be willing to trade early picks or early picked players for a Pnp type. I suspect that the academy clubs GC and Syd could find a way to do the deal if they really want to. Its not like they will miss out on young talent. They will get one kid this year that is debatable P1.Its only a matter of covering points… and having big name players finally want them..must fill their pockets with dampness.

For Geelong , maybe in a push trade environment we could find a way to do it. But its not. Hard to see how we do. Which player on our list wants to move ..and the ones who do… who wants Carlton. Trade 3 R1 picks will probably not get it done but thats probably similar to Cameron and a similar age. For a trade to Geelong work it probable that it has to involve another club.

The only way this works for Geelong is if they can get it done with picks and fringe players… so cant see how it gets done… and if it did get done , it does change our forward setup but is it obviously better with Neale on the verge. he looks ready to really step up. As good as CC is I dont know if he is an ideal fit for us an our needs. The good thing ..we can have some confidence that the club will probably make the right call..they have more than not in recent memory.

 

[dudusmaximus]

The only way this works for Geelong is if they can get it done with picks and fringe players

Spot on.

We're lucky to have defied gravity for so long. But the odds are increasingly stacked against us.

The Draft is slim pickings where we finish. With all the exposure, finding hidden draft-gems is becoming arduous (even for Wellsy/Mack). Trading is overinflated now (long contracts ceding control to holding clubs, huge amounts, longer contracts etc..). Sanity will prevail and there will be a downward correction. Until then we should sit this one out (especially the cancerous deals). Being financially solvent will be our edge.

We skated to where the puck would be, by picking up talented mature-agers from the lower comps. Now everyone fishes there.

To continue..
1) Chancing our luck in the bottom reaches of the Draft. Competitors credit our Recruiting (Draft/Trades) but our Development is equally a core strength (h/t Nigel Lappin).
2) Being a Destination Club (i.e. player- & young-family- friendly). Got to be in it, to win it.
3) Wring more out of current players. Many (not all) to stay at the peak of their powers until their mid-30s. Will Blitz be our first 40 year old player?
4) Being the Club-of-choice for Talent from other sports (incl. overseas). Especially 'em Irish lads. Maybe we start re-skilling them there while they are still playing amateur Gaelic football.

To explore.. (i.e. fishing where the others may not)
5) Being more cut-throat in delisting mis-hires (e.g. Phoenix), long-term injureds etc.. Pains me to say this.
6) Jack-up suitable recent retirees/delistees from other clubs for one last hurrah. (we have form, with Isaac Smith, Martin etc.)
7) New sporting pathways (revisit poaching Rugby players?)
8) Take more risks. Say a JUH instead of the costly Curnow?
9) Market is too illiquid. Push for earlier UFA (6 instead of 8).

Thoughts? Suggestions? Be gentle!

 

[Hamingja]

We have zero chance of trading for Curnow or Butters under contract. Not even worth discussing.

 

[foxdog50]

How great is our club . This is huge credit to the people that run our club. We don't throw silly long-term contracts to our players, we dont over pay our players, the club and players know if you want more money you can go to another club and get more money, but if you want to get paid well enough but you can come to our club and we will contend and challenge most years ,come play for us.
This is why were a great club

 

[D BRIDGE]

Not that I think there's much chance at all for CC... but Ollie Henry would be a name I'd bring up as part of a deal if exploring a trade.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Spot on.

We're lucky to have defied gravity for so long. But the odds are increasingly stacked against us.

The Draft is slim pickings where we finish. With all the exposure, finding hidden draft-gems is becoming arduous (even for Wellsy/Mack). Trading is overinflated now (long contracts ceding control to holding clubs, huge amounts, longer contracts etc..). Sanity will prevail and there will be a downward correction. Until then we should sit this one out (especially the cancerous deals). Being financially solvent will be our edge.

We skated to where the puck would be, by picking up talented mature-agers from the lower comps. Now everyone fishes there.

To continue..
1) Chancing our luck in the bottom reaches of the Draft. Competitors credit our Recruiting (Draft/Trades) but our Development is equally a core strength (h/t Nigel Lappin).
2) Being a Destination Club (i.e. player- & young-family- friendly). Got to be in it, to win it.
3) Wring more out of current players. Many (not all) to stay at the peak of their powers until their mid-30s. Will Blitz be our first 40 year old player?
4) Being the Club-of-choice for Talent from other sports (incl. overseas). Especially 'em Irish lads. Maybe we start re-skilling them there while they are still playing amateur Gaelic football.

To explore.. (i.e. fishing where the others may not)
5) Being more cut-throat in delisting mis-hires (e.g. Phoenix), long-term injureds etc.. Pains me to say this.
6) Jack-up suitable recent retirees/delistees from other clubs for one last hurrah. (we have form, with Isaac Smith, Martin etc.)
7) New sporting pathways (revisit poaching Rugby players?)
8) Take more risks. Say a JUH instead of the costly Curnow?
9) Market is too illiquid. Push for earlier UFA (6 instead of 8).

Thoughts? Suggestions? Be gentle!

Like it.
Another possibility, probably already being done, is to analyse all other lists as a whole to predict areas of weakness across the comp five years ahead, and draft accordingly - keep the best, and unload your fringe for slightly better picks.

I always had a sense that the club used this strategy with ruckmen when the team was super strong and Ottens had a hold on the position. There was room on the list to draft young rucks and develop them, so that they could be on-sold for picks.

 

[BigCat1]

He doesn’t want to play for Voss. Pretty hard to sweep that one under the carpet or turn it around. Not money, lifestyle or success.

The difference here with say a Petracca or Oliver is that they liked Godwin.

if that’s the case it’s nigh on impossible to repair and like the Oliver situation it only gets worse. Ppl (media) aren’t going to forget it next year.

Carl won’t be able to generate a “win” out of this. More likely salvaging as much value as possible (2 1sts and something) You can forget the Guldens, Warners, Holmes, Kings, Rowell and Andersons that the hurting Carl cheer squad think they can turn this into.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

How was Carlton dumb enough to do that

I think you know the answer to that

 

[Pollywaffle]

I think the biggest frustration when looking through the available albums is that most of the paired or group photos are like the above or below, where it's pretty obvious that players are leaning to one side making it hard to really gauge their heights in comparison to each other

Looking at this one believe below, I'm pretty sure that neither Close or Dempsey are taller than Henry, though both look pretty close to his height


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Unless we can get a photo of our shorter guys standing side by side, the best determination we're going to have of their heights is what's listed across the various stat platforms

Long stops?

 

[Pollywaffle]

Would that be $5-$6 million between 3 players if that was to happen?

Where is all this saints cash coming from?

 

[Strange Cat]

Imagine busting your ass for years and asking for more money and getting knocked back and then the club recruits a younger ruckman on way more money with similar output

I would be absolutely filthy

 

[D BRIDGE]

Imagine busting your ass for years and asking for more money and getting knocked back and then the club recruits a younger ruckman on way more money with similar output

I would be absolutely filthy

Possibly double the $$$

 

[Strange Cat]

Possibly double the $$$

And a longer contract

 

[iameviljez]

What cats_09 and Kitcat said.

It's a fair point

However, I would add that even if making that differentiation, mediums don't get extra development time compared to smalls in the VFL. If you're not a key position player, you're expected to play well in the VFL pretty much from the get-go.