Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[iameviljez]

#22

I'm just going to assume you mean Mitch Duncan and not Henry Playfair

 

[sleep]

Remember how the media sold the Jezza trade. “First ever side to give up three first rounders.” Meanwhile we got two second rounders not far removed from two of the first rounders coming back but they left that out.

So yeah, I agree doing a deal like this would be a good sell for the media and the fans, which helps Eagles stomach it. And if Reid chooses us as others have mentioned spot on, the deal doesn’t get better next year.

This is why I’m so confident in this deal. This is why Twomey opened his spiel about it only mattering where Reid wants to go. Not the picks, not the cash.

Same with Ryan Daniels implications.

And us being in the box seat this early fares very well.

I feel very confident with us making a bold move like this, especially with our track record for late first round picks being patchy at best.

Bolded for truth.

Never underestimate the predicament of: “How do we sell it to the fans?” If Reid wants to come back — which it certainly seems like he does — then West Coast will swallow that bitter pill and make it happen. They may drag it out until the last day of the trade period, they won’t like it, but eventually, they’ll capitulate and get it done.

Then they'll hand out the standard speech: “Harley was homesick, we got a king’s ransom for him, and we’re a club that looks after our players and their wishes…”

 

[Jumping Jack]

I'm just going to assume you mean Mitch Duncan and not Henry Playfair

Yes Mitch Duncan.

It's been some years since any of Henry's relatives publicly acknowledge their blood lines with him.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

Remember how the media sold the Jezza trade. “First ever side to give up three first rounders.” Meanwhile we got two second rounders not far removed from two of the first rounders coming back but they left that out.

So yeah, I agree doing a deal like this would be a good sell for the media and the fans, which helps Eagles stomach it. And if Reid chooses us as others have mentioned spot on, the deal doesn’t get better next year.

This is why I’m so confident in this deal. This is why Twomey opened his spiel about it only mattering where Reid wants to go. Not the picks, not the cash.

Same with Ryan Daniels implications.

And us being in the box seat this early fares very well.

I feel very confident with us making a bold move like this, especially with our track record for late first round picks being patchy at best.

FishGutz: Cal Twomey was 'extremely explicit and emphatic' when he said it only matters where Harley Reid wants to go, NOT picks or cash. So much so, that it is important for every Geelong BigFooty member to fully take that comment on board and very seriously, in other words whatever club Harley Reid chooses/nominates that is the club where he will end-up playing, PERIOD. If it happens to be Geelong FC then he'll be playing for Geelong and it does appear at present we are an excellent chance of that happening if indeed Harley decides to leave West Coast. As it sits now things are looking very promising, well let's hope so..... GO HARLEY REID and GO CATS !!!

MUST SEE: Cal Twomey comment re: Harley Reid on Gettable 'Right here, Right now' at 7.20 minutes

GETTABLE: Tassie plans revealed, mid-season draft riser, inside word on contract trend

Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge discuss the latest trade and draft news and are joined by Tasmania Devils' newly appointed list bosses Derek Hine and Todd Patterson.

www.afl.com.au

Harley Reid stole the limelight by commenting on the post: “Congrats guys, go Cats.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/h...s/news-story/10a3032d21f3169daa21b7dfd93d1849



Regards above Instagram story:... it made me think that with Tim Kelly whose partner is Caitland Miller, that he would have mentioned on more than one occasion 'to Harley Reid' that he wished he never left the Cats if things had been different, as he regards them as a phenomenal club to play for. And only left the Cats because he and Caitland understandably required family support back home in WA in regards to the children of whom unfortunately and sadly have had some difficult and challenging issues.

And oh yeah, if Harley Reid does end up in a Cats jumper 'as per below pic' then I suggest we give him Reece Stanley's (retired) old number in NUMBER ONE..... for the number one recruit and the number one team!

GEELONG..... the greatest team of ALL !!!

 

[Zouz Kitty]

The Sorcerer's Apprentice?

Love that

 

[iameviljez]

Cal Twomey was 'extremely explicit and emphatic' when he said it only matters where Harley Reid wants to go, NOT picks or cash. So much so, that it is important for every Geelong BigFooty member to fully take that comment on board and very seriously

Sure, but regardless of what Cal Twomey thinks, the deal still has to actually get done.

 

[Hamingja]

... is this a Mitchell White joke?

Mitchell White, Brett Spinks, Derek Hall. Take your pick.

 

[Footy Smarts]

FishGutz: Cal Twomey was 'extremely explicit and emphatic' when he said it only matters where Harley Reid wants to go, NOT picks or cash. So much so, that it is important for every Geelong BigFooty member to fully take that comment on board and very seriously, in other words whatever club Harley Reid chooses/nominates that is the club where he will end-up playing, PERIOD. If it happens to be Geelong FC then he'll be playing for Geelong and it does appear at present we are an excellent chance of that happening if indeed Harley decides to leave West Coast. As it sits now things are looking very promising, well let's hope so..... SO HARLEY REID and GO CATS !!!

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That applies next year when he's out of contract. When was the last time an out of contract player didn't get where they wanted to go?

This year he's still contracted so West Coast do have the option to just say no like we did with Tim Kelly.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

Sure, but regardless of what Cal Twomey thinks, the deal still has to actually get done.

iameviljez: from Cal Twomey's perspective whoever Harley Reid's chooses/nominates, IT WILL GET DONE. As I stated in previous post he was 'extremely explicit and emphatic' on this issue. In fact, in all my time of watching Cal Twomey that is the most explicit I've seen him in trying to make a point, which is why I took particular attention to him expressing this strong view of which I then just followed up on what FishGutz: had already mentioned and posted.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

When you look at his season so far… these conversations are getting quite ludicrous.

Totally agree , he's phoning it in at the moment.
Needs a massive , massive paradigm shift in attitude and professionalism.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

That applies next year when he's out of contract. When was the last time an out of contract player didn't get where they wanted to go?

This year he's still contracted so West Coast do have the option to just say no like we did with Tim Kelly.

That's a valid point Footy Smarts: with deal being deferred until 2026 when there's no restrictions of movement between ALL parties. So the question would be, if Harley Reid does choose to leave West Coast and nominates Geelong, does he request to leave in 2025 and in doing so put pressure on the Club knowing he wants to leave or does he just wait out until 2026 knowing West Coast won't budge in 2025. But regardless, if Harley Reid does want to leave West Coast, then the Club he chooses is the club he'll end up playing for whether it be at end of 2025 or 2026 so says Cal Twomey!

 

[iameviljez]

That's a valid point Footy Smarts: with deal being deferred until 2026 when there's no restrictions of movement between ALL parties.

There will still have to be an agreed trade, though.

 

[moond0g]

I think there's as much likelihood of landing Hussein as there is of TDK being at Geelong. We're not in on that deal - certainly not at the price STK are willing to pay. It's Carlton or Saints only I reckon.

Reid - Rowell - Butters - Cadman. Land one or more of those names and we'll all be pretty happy. A mate of mine is strongly involved at Hawthorn and he reckons Reid only has interest in Cats or Hawks. Butters to Dogs seems to be the consistent message but it makes his property purchase seem at odds with that - maybe setting himself up for life post footy back home.

I know nothing about where he might/mightn't go. But commuting from the surf coast to Footscray seems much easier than every other Melbourne club. So, I don't think it would preclude him from moving there and then just playing for the dogs.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

There will still have to be an agreed trade, though.

AGREED iameviljez: IF and when it is agreed, it would be a beautiful and glorious day for all us Geelong supporters to see Harley Reid in a Geelong jumper.

This is our 'one chance' to replace Danger if there is any such thing as replacing him, coz Danger is almost irreplaceable..... here's hoping

 

[CoolCat75]

I’m not going to get question whether Call Twomey or FishGutz have their intel right, wrong or indifferent. I am glad Geelong are in the hunt for him, and if we land him, then it’s a pants off arrangement. The most we could offer this year, or the year after, is 3 firsts, 2 seconds (with maybe a third coming back)

But if I’m West Coast, I’m still not trading Reid this year. Just like we did with TKelly I’d back ourselves to try and keep him. It may fail and they may have wasted one year, but that’s their risk. They can sell to their members that they tried. I acknowledge there are differences - we are a perennial finalist and West Coast are a rabble, so that hurts their chances. And JHF left after one year as well. But I doubt West Coast do it, unless they get quality players in return, and that’s not happening.

Anyway, hope I am wrong.

 

[CoolCat75]

Try making sense of all this:


MEGA DEAL DETAILS

NORTH MELBOURNE
Trade out: Jason Horne-Francis, pick No.1, 2023 third-round pick (tied to Fremantle)
Trade in: Picks No.2, 3, 40, 43, 2023 future first-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide)

PORT ADELAIDE
Trade out: Picks No.8, 43, 53, 57, 2023 first-round pick, 2023 second-round pick, 2023 third-round pick
Trade in: Jason Horne-Francis, Junior Rioli, 2023 second-round pick (tied to Collingwood), 2023 future third-round pick (tied to Fremantle)

WEST COAST
Trade out: Junior Rioli, picks No.2, 40
Trade in: Picks No.8, 12, 2023 second-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide), 2023 third-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide)

GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY
Trade out: Picks No.3, 12, 2023 second-round pick (tied to Collingwood)
Trade in: Pick No.1, 53, 57

That is a great deal for Port. So essentially they gave up 2 firsts, 43, 53, 57, for JHF and Rioli. There was a swap of second and thirds that nearly cancel each other out.

 

[Commando]

I’m not going to get question whether Call Twomey or FishGutz have their intel right, wrong or indifferent. I am glad Geelong are in the hunt for him, and if we land him, then it’s a pants off arrangement. The most we could offer this year, or the year after, is 3 firsts, 2 seconds (with maybe a third coming back)

But if I’m West Coast, I’m still not trading Reid this year. Just like we did with TKelly I’d back ourselves to try and keep him. It may fail and they may have wasted one year, but that’s their risk. They can sell to their members that they tried. I acknowledge there are differences - we are a perennial finalist and West Coast are a rabble, so that hurts their chances. And JHF left after one year as well. But I doubt West Coast do it, unless they get quality players in return, and that’s not happening.

Anyway, hope I am wrong.

There is no advantage in keeping Reid against his wishes though

I understand he's contracted but unlike TK the Eagles are nowhere near on field success so what's the lure to stay?

If I really wanted out and the club didn't trade me I'd check out even more than he probably already has.

The number one poison in a club is having players that don't want to be there.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I’m not going to get question whether Call Twomey or FishGutz have their intel right, wrong or indifferent. I am glad Geelong are in the hunt for him, and if we land him, then it’s a pants off arrangement. The most we could offer this year, or the year after, is 3 firsts, 2 seconds (with maybe a third coming back)

But if I’m West Coast, I’m still not trading Reid this year. Just like we did with TKelly I’d back ourselves to try and keep him. It may fail and they may have wasted one year, but that’s their risk. They can sell to their members that they tried. I acknowledge there are differences - we are a perennial finalist and West Coast are a rabble, so that hurts their chances. And JHF left after one year as well. But I doubt West Coast do it, unless they get quality players in return, and that’s not happening.

Anyway, hope I am wrong.

I'd generally agree but there are 2 issues that are different to the Tim Kelly situation that might mean West Coast trade him this year.

Firstly Geelong were trying to win a flag while West Coast are rebuilding. If they're going to lose him anyway one year doesn't make much difference. They might even prefer to get kids who want to be there in sooner. One year of Tim Kelly on rookie wages could've been the difference to us winning a flag.

Secondly Tassie coming in means future picks are likely to become less valuable. It's likely the 2027 and 2028 drafts will be significantly compromised. So getting first round picks in 2025 and 2026 might be more valuable for West Coast than picks in 2027.

 

[D BRIDGE]

If Reid keeps phoning it in and makes it very obvious that he will be nominating Geelong as the only club he will go to... then WCE "should" be professional enough to simply push for the best deal they can get for Reid and take it.

The reality is they will get a better deal this year whilst he is contracted and Reid's management should be pushing that narrative very hard.

There could be plenty of reasons to trade Reid, but first and foremost... Reid must come out and say trade me to Geelong and Geelong only, I won't be re-singing here and I don't want to be here so get the most you can for me and let's move on.

Reid can't show any signs that he might be happy with going to the Hawks in the case that Geelong can't satisfy WC in a trade or WC will take full advantage of that and it will hurt our chances of landing him.

 

[FishGutz]

So Fishgutz - I don't know if you can reveal much about it, but I know the question is pretty much on everyone's lips --

How likely is the Saddam Hussein to Geelong move?

They’re wanting him badly. They’re saying there’s no weapons of mass destruction and it was all a ploy to get him leading our midfield.

At 188cm he will be the big body mid we need. A brute inside the contest and will come to us under NGA.

 

[Johanpetro]

They’re wanting him badly. They’re saying there’s no weapons of mass destruction and it was all a ploy to get him leading our midfield.

At 188cm he will be the big body mid we need. A brute inside the contest and will come to us under NGA.

No thanks. He’s prone to bombing the ball forward. Need better ball users

 

[moond0g]

I see the argument of WCE just trading Reid out now and trying to cash in. But if I'm them, I'd be holding him for a year and trying to convince him to stay. Especially because I imagine our offer wouldn't be that tempting anyway - our first rounders are likely to be in the teens.

I also don't see that much similarity to the JHF situation. WCE are performing poorly atm, but they are an extremely rich and well-resourced club who have won a premiership more recently than most clubs. They would probably back themself to improve and convince a player to stay. Whether they will or not is a very different question though.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

I see the argument of WCE just trading Reid out now and trying to cash in. But if I'm them, I'd be holding him for a year and trying to convince him to stay. Especially because I imagine our offer wouldn't be that tempting anyway - our first rounders are likely to be in the teens.

I also don't see that much similarity to the JHF situation. WCE are performing poorly atm, but they are an extremely rich and well-resourced club who have won a premiership more recently than most clubs. They would probably back themself to improve and convince a player to stay. Whether they will or not is a very different question though.

moond0g:....with Harley Reid's contract currently being the biggest story in footy and will continue to be until he signs, you can guarantee there'll be ongoing different scenarios playing out by ALL and sundry but I've gotta say that with what you have mentioned, that's definitely a likely scenario that could play out compared to others. But I guess in the end it'll be just a matter of wait and see, unless of course the likes of FishGutz: and co can give us some more 'telling info' that might seal the deal. Here's hoping.... and GO CATS !!!

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah, but Mannagh wasn't just the best ruckman in the VFL, he was arguably the best player in the VFL, and came off a frankly incredible performance in the GF.

I can't think of many mature-aged ruckmen who have elevated out of the state leagues and done really well. Meanwhile, Fort, Abbott, Stephenson...

True. Mannagh's ruck work was actually notoriously sub-par.

 

[Munich]

Sure, but regardless of what Cal Twomey thinks, the deal still has to actually get done.

Twomey is a flipping knob.