Analysis Giants Coaching. Clarkson says 'no'. Adem Yze firming as favourite.

[Giant Strides]

OK, all. I've added a poll to see which of the 16 candidates named in the Fox AFL article is your preferred coach. (Not necessarily who you think will get the job - who you want.)

 

[JC100]

A negative of bringing in Clarko is how much of our soft cap he's expected to take up and it would be difficult to keep or land some of the best football support staff like how Peter Burge has just left Richmond with how much Dimma would be making.

Was Luke Boyd at the hawks for the dynesty? Is he getting ready to team up with Clarko at the giants

 

[gee whiz giant]

... unless every other coach drops out.

In which case, may as well close the doors.

Yep, it kinda feels that way. All the gas has been let out of the tyres. Not really excited by game day at the moment.
Watching the 3rd quarter from the Bradman Stand last weekend was a chilling experience. Yep, it was cold.
Can't put my finger on what's lacking, why they are so uncompetitive.

Had thought it was Jeremy Cameron's absence that has scuppered the team, but maybe it was Shane Mumford's.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Easy enough if it's Clarkson. If it's an assistant at one of the finals-bound clubs (e.g. Pyke @ Sydney or Yze @ Melbourne), it won't be until their team is eliminated or wins the GF.

The biggest impediment on Clarkson is his willingness to leave Melbourne and knowing the state of our list.

I think we have some perilous times ahead of us. We have lost some key pillars, others have gotten too old or are not good enough, drafted/traded quite poorly and have more holes in our list than Swiss cheese.

If I’m honest and a coach looking for a job GWS is not attractive. It needs COLA and soft cap relief as a starting point, a clean out, pain, and nail every draft and trade option for the next 3 years or will 100% become a basket case.

 

[Orange Agent]

Was Luke Boyd at the hawks for the dynesty? Is he getting ready to team up with Clarko at the giants

Andrew Russell was the main man at Hawthorn and Port for premiership years.

 

[GWS Goose]

The biggest impediment on Clarkson is his willingness to leave Melbourne and knowing the state of our list.

I think we have some perilous times ahead of us. We have lost some key pillars, others have gotten too old or are not good enough, drafted/traded quite poorly and have more holes in our list than Swiss cheese.

If I’m honest and a coach looking for a job GWS is not attractive. It needs COLA and soft cap relief as a starting point, a clean out, pain, and nail every draft and trade option for the next 3 years or will 100% become a basket case.

I see our list very differently to you.

 

[Andre the Giant]

I see our list very differently to you.

I should clarify, we have some extremely good players on our list and some extremely talented kids we have yet to see. Callaghan and Stone showed a lot in the glimpses we’ve seen and Leek Alleer looked super on his tapes and probably just needs time.

We have hardly seen Brent Daniel’s due to injury but he’s a very good player also.

Some of the guys like Peatling, Wehr, Brander, Angwin, Stein are just players for me but I guess you have to have some guys like that. Not sure i would have been in a mad rush to re-sign them.

Out list is not balanced, we don’t have a gun key forward, we need another small forward, we need some more speed in the middle and our rucks have so far been a disappointment.

We have no cap space to bring anyone in and we have large parts of the cap being dealt to players who are nice to have but seriously over-paid.

I love some of our green shoots but when I look at the overall picture and the time it will take before we can seriously challenge I’m extremely worried. A big name coach like Clarkson would help!

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Scrapporet]

Embarrassing shows were we sit in the football world.

 

[JC100]

Embarrassing shows were we sit in the football world.

If the going rate is 1.6mil then they can have him. Won’t be able to afford any support staff

 

[GWS Goose]

I'm glad we are going through a process rather than just assuming Clarko is the man

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Clarkson, who spent most of his playing career at Arden Street including 93 games across the 1987-95 seasons, is reportedly seeking $1.6 million a year on his next contract. That would blow away the current top coaches’ salaries. With the 2023 soft cap set for $6,950,000, it means the Kangaroos would be spending 23 per cent of their entire budget on Clarkson, reducing their ability to staff up around him.

The other team with a coaching vacancy, GWS, is said to be going through a thorough process and could save $1 million a year if they opt for an untried assistant instead. “The Giants are fine with this. GWS is committed to a thorough process and speaking to a range of candidates.
“Clarkson’s asking price is up to $1.6 million a season ... the Giants might land Adam Yze or Adam Kingsley

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, for example, for a third of the price.

The $1.6 million man: Kangaroos ‘in box seat’ for Clarko as ‘all-in’ plan to land coach revealed

The $1.6 million man: Kangaroos ‘in box seat’ for Clarko as ‘all-in’ plan to land coach revealed

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Giant Strides]

$1.6 mil is crazy stuff!

 

[Giant Pete]

We shouldn’t be paying one coach that much. I’d rather spend extra money on fitness staff/resources.

 

[Giant Pete]

If Clarko goes to North Melbourne on $1.6m then clearly his choice to return to coaching was not “to win the flag” as he outlined in an interview.

 

[Pres]

If Clarko goes to North Melbourne on $1.6m then clearly his choice to return to coaching was not “to win the flag” as he outlined in an interview.

Ouch

 

[dlanod]

If Clarko goes to North Melbourne on $1.6m then clearly his choice to return to coaching was not “to win the flag” as he outlined in an interview.

I do wonder if the price publicised is "$1.6m to coach North Melbourne, with $500k of that being the 'won't win a flag' premium, so a more normal $1m-ish for a premiership contending club".

 

[GWS Goose]

Ouch

He said he likes their list and sees potential.
I can see some green shoots

 

[Maximus 2011]

He said he likes their list and sees potential.
I can see some green shoots

North are going no where when their main defender is Corr who is on $600k+ per year for the next 3 years?

 

[Maximus 2011]

As stated earlier we need to spend more money on our health and fitness staff with 14 on our injury list.

Conor Stone seems to have been injured for 3 months now with a soft tissue injury, Brent Daniels

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has been injured for 3 years with soft tissue injuries, Phil Davis

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has what looks to be a career ending soft tissue injury, Whitfield looks to have been carrying an injury most of the year hip flexor?

The impact injuries you can't help as much with Kennedy, Perryman, Buckley, Kennedy, Idun, Angwin, deBoor, Callaghan (drafted with foot issues and has been missing for 80% of the year), Hill & Fahey.

Seriously when are the Giants going to realise this isn't just bad luck as we seem to have the worst injury list for the last 5 years now.

 

[gee whiz giant]

As stated earlier we need to spend more money on our health and fitness staff with 14 on our injury list.

Conor Stone seems to have been injured for 3 months now with a soft tissue injury, Brent Daniels has been injured for 3 years with soft tissue injuries, Phil Davis has what looks to be a career ending soft tissue injury, Whitfield looks to have been carrying an injury most of the year hip flexor?

The impact injuries you can't help as much with Kennedy, Perryman, Buckley, Kennedy, Idun, Angwin, deBoor, Callaghan (drafted with foot issues and has been missing for 80% of the year), Hill & Fahey.

Seriously when are the Giants going to realise this isn't just bad luck as we seem to have the worst injury list for the last 5 years now.

Davis did his last hammy in the first action after the half time break. He hadn't warmed up properly. Who was overseeing that?

 

[Maximus 2011]

Davis did his last hammy in the first action after the half time break. He hadn't warmed up properly. Who was overseeing that?

Who knows but it has been the same issue for the last 5 years. Horrendous management of our players have cost us I would say 10+ wins due to player unavailability.

 

[General Giant]

The biggest impediment on Clarkson is his willingness to leave Melbourne and knowing the state of our list.

I think we have some perilous times ahead of us. We have lost some key pillars, others have gotten too old or are not good enough, drafted/traded quite poorly and have more holes in our list than Swiss cheese.

If I’m honest and a coach looking for a job GWS is not attractive. It needs COLA and soft cap relief as a starting point, a clean out, pain, and nail every draft and trade option for the next 3 years or will 100% become a basket case.

Also is a very confused club, has no direction on what it wants to be.

 

[Pres]

North are going no where when their main defender is Corr who is on $600k+ per year for the next 3 years?

Not true. Ben McKay is our #1 key defender.

Fair to say however we are light on for KPP options at both ends.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Not true. Ben McKay is our #1 key defender.

Fair to say however we are light on for KPP options at both ends.

Aiden Corr has always been a myth. Another one of these players that lives off his specs rather than his output. Another genius Silvagni move over Grundy whom we are now chasing as a beaten up rising 29yo.

Fetch me a pistol.

 

[Ausbenito]

No way I would be risking that sort of money on Clarkson he may be right in the Denis Pagan and Mick Malthouse Carlton zones now Sam Mitchell has definitely improved Hawthorn since Clarkson left at least their games are watchable this season.