Analysis Giants Coaching. Your thoughts.

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Giant Strides

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I have not been on the anti-Leon bandwagon previously - it's a difficult business and a lot of factors go into any year with last year being especially problematic after a GF appearance the year before.

But that was an insipid effort with few complicating factors, and Freo having a lot more players missing - it's difficult to draw any conclusion other than Leon has run out of ideas. This season could turn very ugly if he cannot find a way to take on new ideas, because the ones he's got are not working!
 

Andre the Giant

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The most damning part are the short bursts when the team puts it together and look good, these are happening because of competitive instincts of the players and not their want to play for the coach.

Cameron and McCarthy are now actually seen as poison, both have to go.

The AFL if they are genuine about this team need to get Clarkson and whoever he wants into the team to clean it up.

If they do not do this now the team will descend into something worse then we have ever seen in footy.
 

ClockworkOrange

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I like Leon, I feel like he has been genuinely great servant of our club. But it's time to go. He's tactically inept, looks like he's lost the players.

Question is, where do we go from here? Do we still have a list to challenge or are we going to tear it down?
Interim Coach for remainder of 2021 to assess how the list performs ex-Leon.

Make a two year appointment in September.


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Powkid

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I’d be looking to remove both Leon and McCartney. I like Leon and he seems like a great guy, but don’t the is tactically advanced to work through our issues.
We should be looking at Mark Williams (Chocko) not Clarko. What he has done for Richmond and now Melbourne (based on their matches so far) is amazing he hasn’t scored a gig as top dog. He is very highly rated by players and staff.


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Pres

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As a supporter of a club who totally cocked this up some 18 months ago I think it's best to be considered re how this is approached.

If indeed at some stage during the season it's decided that Leon needs to finish up then I would not fill the interim appointment with someone who has aspirations for the top job (eg Stevie J or anyone of that ilk).

North stupidly did this with Rhyce Shaw being dropped in and effectively given a trial period. Sure enough he got the "new coach bounce" and then the Board came under immense pressure from the fans (and media) to appoint him permanently.

Which they did - without there being much, if any, of a formal process (which may have uncovered some of the drastic problems which later surfaced).

Personally I'd get someone like an Alan McConnell (who no longer presumably has coaching aspirations) to step in and then the club can spend the remainder of the season spending time sourcing the best candidate.

If it comes to pass it's a critical appointment and should be approached intelligently.
 

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In Leon's defence, the departure of Matthew Nicks as 2IC in 2020 hasn't been covered, just our small time coaching staff swapped around, with Johnson joining more by happenstance than planning. That is, he wasn't poached, he was freed up / let loose by Sydney. And on Sydney, Horse Longmire got Don Pyke as his assistant, someone of real experience.
Does Leon have enough help?
 

ClockworkOrange

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If the strategy of the Board is to get Clarko for 2022 and concessions from AFL HQ, then the tactic may be to leave Leon in place and let the club burn very publicly throughout season 2021 to demonstrate to Gill that there is a full-blown crisis at Giants HQ.

I think this ‘scorched earth’ approach is extremely dangerous/reckless re list and membership retention, but there may be Board members who consider this a cynically smart play.

The thinking may be:

If we finish 10-16, the Giants have a problem.

However, if we finish 17-18, AFL HQ has a problem.

Personally, I want an interim HC appointed this week.

However, we should be open to the possibility that the Board may look to play ‘chicken’ with AFL HQ.



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General Giant

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If the strategy of the Board is to get Clarko for 2022 and concessions from AFL HQ, then the tactic may be to leave Leon in place and let the club burn very publicly throughout season 2021 to demonstrate to Gill that there is a full-blown crisis at Giants HQ.

I think this ‘scorched earth’ approach is extremely dangerous/reckless re list and membership retention, but there may be Board members who consider this a cynically smart play.

The thinking may be:

If we finish 10-16, the Giants have a problem.

However, if we finish 17-18, AFL HQ has a problem.

Personally, I want an interim HC appointed this week.

However, we should be open to the possibility that the Board may look to play ‘chicken’ with AFL HQ.



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Surely they aren’t that stupid. Destroy everything that’s been built just to get some more picks?
 

ClockworkOrange

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As a supporter of a club who totally cocked this up some 18 months ago I think it's best to be considered re how this is approached.

If indeed at some stage during the season it's decided that Leon needs to finish up then I would not fill the interim appointment with someone who has aspirations for the top job (eg Stevie J or anyone of that ilk).

North stupidly did this with Rhyce Shaw being dropped in and effectively given a trial period. Sure enough he got the "new coach bounce" and then the Board came under immense pressure from the fans (and media) to appoint him permanently.

Which they did - without there being much, if any, of a formal process (which may have uncovered some of the drastic problems which later surfaced).

Personally I'd get someone like an Alan McConnell (who no longer presumably has coaching aspirations) to step in and then the club can spend the remainder of the season spending time sourcing the best candidate.

If it comes to pass it's a critical appointment and should be approached intelligently.
Thanks for a thoughtful contribution, I can’t argue the facts of North’s coaching challenges.

However, it’s easy to come up with examples in pro sport that argue for a ‘Stevie J’ type appointment.

For example, at Real Madrid they’d been through a multi-year trophy drought ahead of the 2016 season.

They then appoint former club champion Zinedine Zidane who’s been knocking around as a junior coach at the club for 5 years.

Many people thought it would be a disaster, as he had no track record as a manager.

However, he then wins three consecutive Champions Leagues as a ‘player whisperer’ who’s highly respected by the dressing room for his stellar career.

So Stevie J could be a ‘Zidane’ or a ‘Shaw’. That’s the attraction of an Interim HC.

All I know for certain is that our dressing room is massively underachieving it’s potential and season 2021 is looking like a complete train wreck.




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ClockworkOrange

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Surely they aren’t that stupid. Destroy everything that’s been built just to get some more picks?
What if the Board’s goal is:

Clarkson (new leadership); and
COLA (player retention); and
Picks (and more top players)?

All we no for sure at this stage is that no one on the Board has issued one word of criticism of Leon.


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