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ClockworkOrange

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Why in the world would clarkson want to come?

it’s a pipe dream
Because:

1. It’s the end of the road at the Hawks
2. He believes he could get our list into the Top 8 in 2022.
3. Gill makes him an offer he can’t refuse.
4. If you’re going to change clubs, get out of VFL-land.
5. Sydney lifestyle > Melbourne lockdown.
6. He can wear his shorts in the snow at Manuka more regularly.


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Interesting summary. Especially because we heard quite a few quotes about working on ball movement in the pre season. It’s at its absolute worst right now.


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Agreed - thanks for sharing.

Leppa being very diplomatic in saying ‘maybe we no longer have the magnets’.

So either we do have the worst list in the AFL, or the playing group has mentally checked out and is waiting for the new HC?

No one is suggesting the former, so it must be something along the lines of the latter.

Scariest part of all is that Blues fans want Teague out, yet Leppa noting how much better they are than us!


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Good analysis by Leppitsch.

The whole thing gets back to list imbalance. The problem with losing Williams was that he could play multiple roles. Taranto, Coniglio, Ward, Hopper, DeBoer, Green seem way more restricted in how you can use them.

It doesn't really help that Whitfield is out in terms of back half transition but geez there's some poor users by foot back there at present (Reid, Haynes, Davis).

Whilst Whitfield is out I think the side is best suited by Ash playing deep back pocket in the Shaw role and taking the kickouts. He's a fine talent and very reminiscent of Jake Lloyd for the Swans with a similar ceiling. That might allow Cumming to play off half back and play a little higher in that Whitfield type role.
 

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Because:

1. It’s the end of the road at the Hawks
2. He believes he could get our list into the Top 8 in 2022.
3. Gill makes him an offer he can’t refuse.
4. If you’re going to change clubs, get out of VFL-land.
5. Sydney lifestyle > Melbourne lockdown.
6. He can wear his shorts in the snow at Manuka more regularly.


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You sound like you are on the recruiting team. All very unlikely
 

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Agreed - thanks for sharing.

Leppa being very diplomatic in saying ‘maybe we no longer have the magnets’.

So either we do have the worst list in the AFL, or the playing group has mentally checked out and is waiting for the new HC?

No one is suggesting the former, so it must be something along the lines of the latter.

Scariest part of all is that Blues fans want Teague out, yet Leppa noting how much better they are than us!


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You are a funny dude. You suggest two out of the blue options and then conclude your own suggestion is the clear solution!
You should get into politics
 

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OK, so if that’s unlikely, who is the most likely HC in your opinion?


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Well personally I’ve advocated for Leon through thick and thin. However this week was a turning point where for the first time I was actually talking to mates about whether he is the right man for the job. I think his strengths of relationships have helped keep players here and made up for perceived weaknesses of tactics and match play.

To be honest a large part of player retention (aside from things like hope/winning/finals) is actually stability in the footy department. So with that in mind I think the club will back him in for this year. If he underperforms then at the seasons end they might announce a change, but only if there is a clear better option. There just aren’t that many who we can consider gettable and a better option.

another factor to consider is the soft cap has been significantly reduced post covid so we probably can’t afford to pay out Cameron AND attract another coach. I realise this buys into your Stevie j narrative but imo he isn’t ready and nor has he currently been exceptional in his posts thus far.

so my take is coaching for his future in 2021 and the club will back him to turn it around until the position is untenable
 

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Leppitsch is right about our exit from D50 but I’d say the answer is dropping Cumming or at a minimum taking the kickouts away from him. Long bomb through the corridor or at 45 from the kick ins and just about every time it comes straight back into the 50. Perryman takes a kick in and he hits a target it Cumming was taking most of them.

it’s exactly the same method we have used for years and it doesn’t work and the whole comp know the plan. Heath Shaw and now Cumming.

if I didn’t know any better I would say that Cumming is trying to boost his fantasy score. 50m+ kick to a contest times roughly 15 kick ins for the game. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Long bomb through the corridor or at 45 from the kick ins and just about every time it comes straight back into the 50. Perryman takes a kick in and he hits a target it Cumming was taking most of them.
Cumming gives the ball too much air, so greater hang time, and more time for opposition positioning. Just kick it slightly sharper, and trajectory lowered.
But it's our kicking skills letting us down. Coniglio's & Ward's wobbly old punts upfield to no-one in particular, Kelly's elegant drop-punts artfully executed, but quite often not to advantage, now Daniels getting in on it with under-kicked darts.
Missing Whitfield massively, Perryman has to get more of the ball off half-back.
 

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Really interesting listening on Footy Phil this week. Jacob Hopper is the guest and they address Leon and the game plan. Its a hard one because they obviously cant telegraph the game plan etc but it was interesting hearing it talked about from their perspective. They obviously will tow the line here but it was a real share from their point of view

Worth a listen
 

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Really interesting listening on Footy Phil this week. Jacob Hopper is the guest and they address Leon and the game plan. Its a hard one because they obviously cant telegraph the game plan etc but it was interesting hearing it talked about from their perspective. They obviously will tow the line here but it was a real share from their point of view

Worth a listen
Will listen on the way to work. The title made me snort a bit though.
“The poison chalice that is the Giants coach.”

Now if we had had multiple coaches over the decade I could understand it but he really has been given all the time in the world.
 

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Really interesting listening on Footy Phil this week. Jacob Hopper is the guest and they address Leon and the game plan. Its a hard one because they obviously cant telegraph the game plan etc but it was interesting hearing it talked about from their perspective. They obviously will tow the line here but it was a real share from their point of view

Worth a listen
It's such a good show and they are always prepared to give a real insight.

Phil basically confirmed that the main reason they can't play a fast game plan anymore is due to personnel changes (ie they are way slower).
 

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Hard not to love Jacob Hopper’s ‘full maverick’ persona on this podcast.

Simply rocks up and slams the umpiring department to the horror of Phil and Allison.

Phil easily the best communicator at the club. A massive error not to leave him as a co-Captain, it would have halved the heat on Cogs.

I don’t think this podcast asked or could publicly answer some of the very sensitive key questions that hang over Leon and the team.

I think where the podcast message overreached is in suggesting members aren’t backing the club.

I expect everyone on this board donated their 2020 memberships.

No one is booing our players (yet), and I and many others here will trek 300+ kms down to Manuka with reckless optimism.

We all want the same positive outcome, but not many clubs claim to still be in the premiership window (Matthews), play inexplicably below potential and expect Members not to draw their own conclusions.

Also it’s not the club figures that front up like Phil and Jacob that worry me.

It’s the players that go ‘radio silent’, as we saw with Jezza in 2020.

Also, when was the last time the President Tony Shepherd made a public statement?

Many of us expect the next thing we hear from the President will be ‘The Coach has the full support of the Board’ - which are the 9 final words of every coaching career.



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Will listen on the way to work. The title made me snort a bit though.
“The poison chalice that is the Giants coach.”

Now if we had had multiple coaches over the decade I could understand it but he really has been given all the time in the world.
Yeah but he didn’t mean it like that. Have a listen and he explains it well
 

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Congratulations to our former Senior Assistant Coach Matthew Nicks for having the Crows at 2 and 1 and playing passionate football in front of their home crowd.

The output being achieved by previously underperforming key players is ‘Tex’-tbook coaching.

Let’s hope we see some of this ourselves at Manuka tomorrow.


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I have been one of those members who is "happy enough" with Leon. He's dealt with players trickling away, rotating door of assistant coaches and responding by altering the game style but now we seem 2 steps behind. If there's a change of HC then I will accept this is required.
This talk of high-level quasi-conspiracy tanking is totally the wrong move. History shows that this damages a club for years and it will undo 10 years of progress.
I like the idea McConnell as interim HC while we search for the next HC.
Our list is still good and a couple of targeted additions makes it quite good.
Never Surrender.
 

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So Davis and a few others have been all over the media saying it’s cheap easy and weak to go after the coach and we all back and love him, believe in him etc etc etc.

Yet we keep losing players, and this year looks no different, dangerously so.

All these players who believe and trust him are leaving and we will be stuck with a coach everyone loves and trusts but doesn’t want to play under.

Ffs
 

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Well personally I’ve advocated for Leon through thick and thin. However this week was a turning point where for the first time I was actually talking to mates about whether he is the right man for the job. I think his strengths of relationships have helped keep players here and made up for perceived weaknesses of tactics and match play.

To be honest a large part of player retention (aside from things like hope/winning/finals) is actually stability in the footy department. So with that in mind I think the club will back him in for this year. If he underperforms then at the seasons end they might announce a change, but only if there is a clear better option. There just aren’t that many who we can consider gettable and a better option.

another factor to consider is the soft cap has been significantly reduced post covid so we probably can’t afford to pay out Cameron AND attract another coach. I realise this buys into your Stevie j narrative but imo he isn’t ready and nor has he currently been exceptional in his posts thus far.

so my take is coaching for his future in 2021 and the club will back him to turn it around until the position is untenable
Preety much my thoughts mate.
I've also continued to support, but have run out of justification to do so
 

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Don Pyke,

Super smart, works well with young players, doing amazing job at Swans, available.

Get him in and Magoo out.
Having a guy already based in Sydney with his family settled is a big advantage. Also whoever we go with needs to have a proven track record.
If only we went with Adam Simpson instead of Leon in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess and the club would likely already have a flag.
 

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Yes, we've had trouble getting assistant coaches in, suspect there might be an issue for a senior coach moving to Sydney with the reduced soft cap, so having someone who's already in the city would be a benefit. Pyke seems to have revitalised Sydney - can he do the same for GWS? Would he be up for the move across town after a year - possibly the best time to strike?
 

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