Giants Coaching. Your thoughts.

Isaac Cumming No 1

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Calling questioning Leons coaching skills "ignorant criticism by nuffies" kinda says you think we shouldnt.

But if youre saying im wrong with that belief then fine.

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It was more the press that was in my mind with that comment. I do believe some of the comments have descended into abuse and shouldn't be allowed to remain up through.
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It was more the press that was in my mind with that comment. I do believe some of the comments have descended into abuse and shouldn't be allowed to remain up through.
Not yours.
He may, and from my meetings with him is, a great bloke.

But i just dont think he is upto head coach.

Im a, kinda, ok bloke and I cant coach either.

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He may, and from my meetings with him is, a great bloke.

But i just dont think he is upto head coach.

Im a, kinda, ok bloke and I cant coach either.

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It is the same guy that coached in 2016 and 2017, that dude's job was rather safe.
I believe our biggest issue is, and it's been said elsewhere here, the lack of run.
Our entire game base for 4 years, training/coaching/playing has been all about fast ball movement, running in waves and slick fast movement.
And then in rapid succession we lose all our runners and best inside 50 targets.

Coach has to make a call, remake the game plan, or hold out for their return, I can understand the latter, not making a call on the coach in my own mind until the year has played out.
 

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It is the same guy that coached in 2016 and 2017, that dude's job was rather safe.
I believe our biggest issue is, and it's been said elsewhere here, the lack of run.
Our entire game base for 4 years, training/coaching/playing has been all about fast ball movement, running in waves and slick fast movement.
And then in rapid succession we lose all our runners and best inside 50 targets.

Coach has to make a call, remake the game plan, or hold out for their return, I can understand the latter, not making a call on the coach in my own mind until the year has played out.
He had all his 1sts and still a fairly deep list in those years.

He is now being asked questions and having to have alternative "plans" and its not working.

With our full list he can win it. But then again so could many of the other 18 clubs coaches coaching our 1sts.

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I really doubt that many clubs could lose 5 or 6 of their top 10 players and still play their gameplan convincingly.

I don't think that people understand/accept the hit that we took over the preseason, losing the players we did to trade/retirement, then having injuries that cruelled development of the planned/possible replacement players and then losing key players in the same role to injury. Then lose extra running players at the start of the season.

However, I have come to the view that Leon won't be the next Clarko, and he is slow to make adjustments - on gameday, week to week, and season to season. So there's enough development that Leon could benefit from, and many of his fellow (and quite junior) assistant coaches too. Whether he can do some of that growth this year in time to save this season - presuming we get some of our gun players back - is the prime question for me. I think it's going to be an uphill battle from here.
 
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What is irritating in a lot of these comments is so many on them delve into the nature of Leon Cameron without knowing the man. These are perceptions influenced by a weekly 4minute press conference and the rare snippet of the coaches box during a game. Doesn’t seem enough to me

I also am annoyed at the apparent lack of plan B. It seems without the obvious orange tsunami (which we can’t do as it got figured out and punished too often) people can’t pick up the nuinces in the game. We now for example have and ability to shift up and down gears, stretch and compress the field as well as the run and carry that looks so good. Our team can now shift mid quarter and it’s only through coaching this happens. So to say there isn’t plan a b or c is near sighted as these developments have happened over the last two seasons

If I have criticisms they are that too often our exits in structured play are poor. When it’s broken we get out of the back 50 quickly, but when forced to kick long, it doesn’t get locked in and often results in a repeat entry. Also, the forward line structures frustrate me and I think we look better with a deep forward. Mostly our issue is midfield delivery more than leading patterns imo and there needs to be more accountability on that which I think comes from big Hayes and the on field leadership
 

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It is the same guy that coached in 2016 and 2017, that dude's job was rather safe.
I believe our biggest issue is, and it's been said elsewhere here, the lack of run.
Our entire game base for 4 years, training/coaching/playing has been all about fast ball movement, running in waves and slick fast movement.
And then in rapid succession we lose all our runners and best inside 50 targets.

Coach has to make a call, remake the game plan, or hold out for their return, I can understand the latter, not making a call on the coach in my own mind until the year has played out.
On another topic if you're still having trouble with tweets, this worked for me

I'm having trouble with tweets not loading so I cant view them. For about a month. Not a huge deal.. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tweets-not-displaying-in-posts.1194099/ #BigFooty
 

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Interesting read

http://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=29546

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Great read and hard to argue with it. Some of the so called experts currently bagging the club in the media (including social) should take this on board but of course this wont happen because it runs in the face of the popular southern (ie Victorian) diatribe the great unwashed masses love to soak up
 

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Interesting read

http://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=29546

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Yeah I saw this. Its a big reason i think for the ball getting rebounded so easily from our forward half... we don't have our quality players set up one kick back as they have such defensive midfield roles. Great analysis and I hope we are able to make the adjustment when players like Kelly and lids get back and use them more attackingly.
 
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To date, Leon has practiced the 'trust the system, boys' mantra, 'things will come good, we'll play ourselves back into form'.
Every team now knows how to set up against us, but seemingly, Giants don't know how to set up against any team.
Losing Mumford, Wilson & Williams looks to have derailed 2018.
 

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We have been flogged in the ruck every game this year, not much is being done to counter it. Our fwd setup is abysmal, players get the ball on a rebound and have nothing to kick to. We went from being one of the most attacking sides in the comp with end to end goals a regular feature, tonight I saw one for the whole game. Its just dour defensive, bottled up crap with minimal risk taking and its getting no resuts. I never see him talking to his assistants in the box, it seems like a 1 man show which explains why there is no experienced assistants in there.
 
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We have been flogged in the ruck every game this year, not much is being done to counter it. Our fwd setup is abysmal, players get the ball on a rebound and have nothing to kick to. We went from being one of the most attacking sides in the comp with end to end goals a regular feature, tonight I saw one for the whole game. Its just dour defensive, bottled up crap with minimal risk taking and its getting no resuts. I never see him talking to his assistants in the box, it seems like a 1 man show which explains why there is no experienced assistants in there.
Lobb is like a poor mans Greene. He is taller but marks worse than Greene, pleads for frees way worse than Greene and is somehow expected to take our ruck duties? It is beyond ridiculous. Toby Greene would do a better ruck job than Lobb because he is at least decent on the ground and at getting free kicks. He is also a better mark.

3 or 4 times the ball was kicked to Lobb 10m from goal and he just completely missed it. You can't carry tall players like this in the modern game.
 

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Think we are entering sack the coach territory very soon.

I think the players are going through the motions and waiting for it to happen. It’s not as though they aren’t trying hard, but I think there is some spark, some belief that things are going to work out, which is missing.

4-5-1 probably isn’t severe enough for the club to do something but I feel the signs are bad.
 
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Sorry but Im on the sack the coach bandwagon now. Simply abysmal showing tonight. And it was mainly due to our lack of structure and in game tactics.
The players are playing dumb and unmotivated and that come down to the coach.
 
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I'm fine with sacking the coach if most of the players are in agreement, otherwise it could cause another issue. Also need someone decent to replace him with, players won't be happy with some shitty new coach.
 
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