Analysis Giants Coaching. Your thoughts.

[Giant Strides]

OK, all. I've added a poll to see which of the 16 candidates named in the Fox AFL article is your preferred coach. (Not necessarily who you think will get the job - who you want.)

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Really? Do you have a link?

It’s about the 11 min mark onward.




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[ClockworkOrange]

It’s notable that Giants media proxies are advocating for Hird.

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[BarryAglett]

There seems to be a (not-so-subtle) rebuilding of Hird's reputation to become a reasonable option.
I suspect this is more than just media filling air-time.

 

[General Giant]

 

[Scrapporet]

The fact Hird is even in the discussion of being our coach tells me all I need to know about our club. The board have no idea and the afl who own the joint don't care.

Hird wouldn't get an interview at any other club. I'm not judging him on drug saga (did his time) I'm judging him on his coaching record and the fact he has been out of the game so long.

I wanted Leon sacked but Hird is not the answer. Players should not be picking the coach.

 

[kulak]

A significant challenge for the incoming coach will be the senior players' capability to adapt to a more AFL-level tactical gameplan.

Under Leon, for years it has just been gut busting hero ball. No real system or flow. Players hitting each contest one by one.

Now we have this established core who are well paid superstars of the game, but their football habits are from a very rudimentary playbook.

Age start of next season:
Nick Haynes

19

Nick Haynes

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

30
Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

30
Stephen Coniglio

3

Stephen Coniglio

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.5

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

11.5

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.7

5star

CL

4.7

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

5.4

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

3.0

5star

29
Lachie Whitfield

6

Lachie Whitfield

Age

27

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.3

5star

M

6.3

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

411.8

5star

D

21.4

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.8

3star

MG

350.6

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.4

4star

28
Josh Kelly 27

Haynes contracted until end 2024, the rest until end 2026 or later.

Will they want to learn new habits? Will they be capable? Leon was their coach for 9 years. It's hard to change when you have been doing something the same way for 9 years.

This hasn't been tested. Hopefully, they will rapidly adapt and this won't be a concern at all.

Hearing the players support James Hird is not good news for me. Don't want another 'motivator'. Don't like the playing group hoping for another 'motivator'. Hope it's just a matter of kindness towards someone they personally like, not a genuine belief that he's the best option available.

Require a coach who is a tactician, and just as importantly I would hope the players understand and buy into that.

 

[Danny88]

A significant challenge for the incoming coach will be the senior players' capability to adapt to a more AFL-level tactical gameplan.

Under Leon, for years it has just been gut busting hero ball. No real system or flow. Players hitting each contest one by one.

Now we have this established core who are well paid superstars of the game, but their football habits are from a very rudimentary playbook.

Age start of next season:
Nick Haynes 30
Toby Greene 30
Stephen Coniglio 29
Lachie Whitfield 28
Josh Kelly 27

Haynes contracted until end 2024, the rest until end 2026 or later.

Will they want to learn new habits? Will they be capable? Leon was their coach for 9 years. It's hard to change when you have been doing something the same way for 9 years.

This hasn't been tested. Hopefully, they will rapidly adapt and this won't be a concern at all.

Hearing the players support James Hird is not good news for me. Don't want another 'motivator'. Don't like the playing group hoping for another 'motivator'. Hope it's just a matter of kindness towards someone they personally like, not a genuine belief that he's the best option available.

Require a coach who is a tactician, and just as importantly I would hope the players understand and buy into that.

It’s not like they played like that forever. That’s the same group that pioneered the fast ball movement nicknamed the orange tsunami

I think the fact they have played so diversely over their careers makes them very coachable

 

[ClockworkOrange]

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[GWS Goose]

I thought Solomon was quite highly regarded?

Solomon as an assistant I'm good with, Hird as the full time coach, definitely not what I want

 

[sobrave]

The fact Hird is even in the discussion of being our coach tells me all I need to know about our club. The board have no idea and the afl who own the joint don't care.

Hird wouldn't get an interview at any other club. I'm not judging him on drug saga (did his time) I'm judging him on his coaching record and the fact he has been out of the game so long.

I wanted Leon sacked but Hird is not the answer. Players should not be picking the coach.

Feel sorry for you guys. I'd be standing on a picket line outside the club headquarters with a NO HIRD sign. The guy is a cheat, an egomaniac and possibly a sociopath.

 

[Couch Coach]

How Hird can be considered is beyond me. Surely the clubs duty of care to the players (especially the younger ones) should rule him out.
I'm also of the opinion that Mark McVeigh

Mark Mcveigh

Age

41

Ht

184cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

13.6

5star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

should not be involved in coaching following his comments regarding Kyle Reimers

Kyle Reimers

Age

33

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

and the Essendon "Vitamins" saga.

There are plenty of other coaching options that don't come with the same baggage as per your poll.

 

[sydney_gws]

I just checked who we play twice this season ( as our 7 losses are to the 7 top 8 teams, we are yet to play Brisbane).
Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney, Carlton, Bulldogs.
A pretty tough draw. These coaches will be put to the test by that. My hopes of making finals are even lower now, I wonder if this " tough" draw is in the thoughts of the players.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

How Hird can be considered is beyond me. Surely the clubs duty of care to the players (especially the younger ones) should rule him out.
I'm also of the opinion that Mark McVeigh

Mark Mcveigh

Age

41

Ht

184cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

13.6

5star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

should not be involved in coaching following his comments regarding Kyle Reimers

Kyle Reimers

Age

33

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

and the Essendon "Vitamins" saga.

There are plenty of other coaching options that don't come with the same baggage as per your poll.

Love the salty meltdown in VFL-land.

If the Club were going to appoint a HC who kept us out of flag contention all the VFL-types would be congratulating us.

Instead, we just get the smell of fear and panic drifting up from VFL land as they know that Hird has the ability take us to the promised land.


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[ClockworkOrange]

I just checked who we play twice this season ( as our 7 losses are to the 7 top 8 teams, we are yet to play Brisbane).
Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney, Carlton, Bulldogs.
A pretty tough draw. These coaches will be put to the test by that. My hopes of making finals are even lower now, I wonder if this " tough" draw is in the thoughts of the players.

I think the best way to look at it as of today is as a 1.5 year runway to the 2023 finals.

Work out the 2023 coaching and list over the remainder of the season.

Experiment, view L’s as merely a draft and 2023 fixture positive.

Top 4 for 2023 is possible, if we use the remainder of 2022 correctly to set up for a slingshot into next season.


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[ClockworkOrange]

Feel sorry for you guys. I'd be standing on a picket line outside the club headquarters with a NO HIRD sign. The guy is a cheat, an egomaniac and possibly a sociopath.

I think they tried that at the Bombers.

How’s that plan working out for them?


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[ClockworkOrange]

Solomon as an assistant I'm good with, Hird as the full time coach, definitely not what I want

Maybe there’s synergy in JH, MM and DS working together given their personal connection?

In that case, perhaps it’s best to view these guys as a trio.

I don’t expect us to magically start winning a lot of games over the remainder of 2022, but we should start to get a sense of whether this coaching trio can get us back on the right trajectory.



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[Callums_Guns]

 

[Hendo_21]

The McVeigh Era Begins

Who is Mark McVeigh, and what does he bring to the GIANTS 2022 season?

www.gwsgiants.com.au

Phil mentioned the ball movement on the podcast as well, it's pretty glaring when watching us how stagnant it can look sometimes. Hopefully we see real difference and it's not just lip service, not asking for the orange tsunami to be back but just to be more lively when we're moving from our back half,

 

[Couch Coach]

Love the salty meltdown in VFL-land.

If the Club were going to appoint a HC who kept us out of flag contention all the VFL-types would be congratulating us.

Instead, we just get the smell of fear and panic drifting up from VFL land as they know that Hird has the ability take us to the promised land.


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Fair enough.

41 wins and 42 losses and 1 tie in his coaching career
Never coached a team to a finals win
Last coached in 2015
In 2015 it was 5 wins and 14 loses including 110 point lost to StKilda and 112 points to Adelaide (StKilda finished 14th and Adelaide 7th)
As far as I am aware he has done no coaching or coaching courses since 2015

Essendon 2015 end of season AFL report card

Pass or fail? Essendon’s 2015 report card

www.foxsports.com.au

The game plan came under criticism for lacking dare and adventure, but they also conceded more than 100 points on six occasions. It culminated in the sacking of James Hird with three games to play.

Yep, best person to take your club "to the promised land"

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Fair enough.

41 wins and 42 losses and 1 tie in his coaching career
Never coached a team to a finals win
Last coached in 2015
In 2015 it was 5 wins and 14 loses including 110 point lost to StKilda and 112 points to Adelaide (StKilda finished 14th and Adelaide 7th)
As far as I am aware he has done no coaching or coaching courses since 2015

Essendon 2015 end of season AFL report card

Pass or fail? Essendon’s 2015 report card

www.foxsports.com.au

The game plan came under criticism for lacking dare and adventure, but they also conceded more than 100 points on six occasions. It culminated in the sacking of James Hird with three games to play.

Yep, best person to take your club "to the promised land"

Look, even Leon on a very bad day with half a squad could out-coach Buckley as we saw in the 2019 Prelim.

Thanks nonetheless for the Pies input on how to choose a HC.


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[captainMyCaptain]

Turning the page pretty quick even if its just short term

 

[ClockworkOrange]

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[Callums_Guns]

Alastair Clarkson rules out GWS gig | Fox Sports Videos

AFL: Alastair Clarkson has stayed firm on his commitment to Tasmania football, rather than put his name in the mix for GWS.

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Hendo_21]

Alastair Clarkson rules out GWS gig | Fox Sports Videos

AFL: Alastair Clarkson has stayed firm on his commitment to Tasmania football, rather than put his name in the mix for GWS.

www.foxsports.com.au

Well, we'll see if that tune changes once the season ends

 

[General Giant]

Alastair Clarkson rules out GWS gig | Fox Sports Videos

AFL: Alastair Clarkson has stayed firm on his commitment to Tasmania football, rather than put his name in the mix for GWS.

www.foxsports.com.au