Analysis Giants Coaching. Your thoughts.

Who is your preference to be next coach of GWS Giants?

  • Alistair Clarkson

    Votes: 14 35.9%
  • James Hird

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Don Pyke

    Votes: 7 17.9%
  • Nathan Buckley

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Ross Lyon

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Mark McVeigh

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Robert Harvey

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scott Burns

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blake Caracella

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Adam Yze

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • Adam Kingsley

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Daniel Giansiracusa

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Luke Power

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Jaymie Graham

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Ash Hansen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Andrew McQualter

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chris Scott

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
    39

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ClockworkOrange

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The fact Hird is even in the discussion of being our coach tells me all I need to know about our club. The board have no idea and the afl who own the joint don't care.

Hird wouldn't get an interview at any other club. I'm not judging him on drug saga (did his time) I'm judging him on his coaching record and the fact he has been out of the game so long.

I wanted Leon sacked but Hird is not the answer. Players should not be picking the coach.
 

kulak

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A significant challenge for the incoming coach will be the senior players' capability to adapt to a more AFL-level tactical gameplan.

Under Leon, for years it has just been gut busting hero ball. No real system or flow. Players hitting each contest one by one.

Now we have this established core who are well paid superstars of the game, but their football habits are from a very rudimentary playbook.

Age start of next season:
Nick Haynes 30
Toby Greene 30
Stephen Coniglio 29
Lachie Whitfield 28
Josh Kelly 27

Haynes contracted until end 2024, the rest until end 2026 or later.

Will they want to learn new habits? Will they be capable? Leon was their coach for 9 years. It's hard to change when you have been doing something the same way for 9 years.

This hasn't been tested. Hopefully, they will rapidly adapt and this won't be a concern at all.

Hearing the players support James Hird is not good news for me. Don't want another 'motivator'. Don't like the playing group hoping for another 'motivator'. Hope it's just a matter of kindness towards someone they personally like, not a genuine belief that he's the best option available.

Require a coach who is a tactician, and just as importantly I would hope the players understand and buy into that.
 

Danny88

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A significant challenge for the incoming coach will be the senior players' capability to adapt to a more AFL-level tactical gameplan.

Under Leon, for years it has just been gut busting hero ball. No real system or flow. Players hitting each contest one by one.

Now we have this established core who are well paid superstars of the game, but their football habits are from a very rudimentary playbook.

Age start of next season:
Nick Haynes 30
Toby Greene 30
Stephen Coniglio 29
Lachie Whitfield 28
Josh Kelly 27

Haynes contracted until end 2024, the rest until end 2026 or later.

Will they want to learn new habits? Will they be capable? Leon was their coach for 9 years. It's hard to change when you have been doing something the same way for 9 years.

This hasn't been tested. Hopefully, they will rapidly adapt and this won't be a concern at all.

Hearing the players support James Hird is not good news for me. Don't want another 'motivator'. Don't like the playing group hoping for another 'motivator'. Hope it's just a matter of kindness towards someone they personally like, not a genuine belief that he's the best option available.

Require a coach who is a tactician, and just as importantly I would hope the players understand and buy into that.
It’s not like they played like that forever. That’s the same group that pioneered the fast ball movement nicknamed the orange tsunami

I think the fact they have played so diversely over their careers makes them very coachable
 

sobrave

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The fact Hird is even in the discussion of being our coach tells me all I need to know about our club. The board have no idea and the afl who own the joint don't care.

Hird wouldn't get an interview at any other club. I'm not judging him on drug saga (did his time) I'm judging him on his coaching record and the fact he has been out of the game so long.

I wanted Leon sacked but Hird is not the answer. Players should not be picking the coach.

Feel sorry for you guys. I'd be standing on a picket line outside the club headquarters with a NO HIRD sign. The guy is a cheat, an egomaniac and possibly a sociopath.
 

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How Hird can be considered is beyond me. Surely the clubs duty of care to the players (especially the younger ones) should rule him out.
I'm also of the opinion that Mark McVeigh should not be involved in coaching following his comments regarding Kyle Reimers and the Essendon "Vitamins" saga.

There are plenty of other coaching options that don't come with the same baggage as per your poll.
 

sydney_gws

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I just checked who we play twice this season ( as our 7 losses are to the 7 top 8 teams, we are yet to play Brisbane).
Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney, Carlton, Bulldogs.
A pretty tough draw. These coaches will be put to the test by that. My hopes of making finals are even lower now, I wonder if this " tough" draw is in the thoughts of the players.
 

ClockworkOrange

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How Hird can be considered is beyond me. Surely the clubs duty of care to the players (especially the younger ones) should rule him out.
I'm also of the opinion that Mark McVeigh should not be involved in coaching following his comments regarding Kyle Reimers and the Essendon "Vitamins" saga.

There are plenty of other coaching options that don't come with the same baggage as per your poll.

Love the salty meltdown in VFL-land.

If the Club were going to appoint a HC who kept us out of flag contention all the VFL-types would be congratulating us.

Instead, we just get the smell of fear and panic drifting up from VFL land as they know that Hird has the ability take us to the promised land.


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ClockworkOrange

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I just checked who we play twice this season ( as our 7 losses are to the 7 top 8 teams, we are yet to play Brisbane).
Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney, Carlton, Bulldogs.
A pretty tough draw. These coaches will be put to the test by that. My hopes of making finals are even lower now, I wonder if this " tough" draw is in the thoughts of the players.

I think the best way to look at it as of today is as a 1.5 year runway to the 2023 finals.

Work out the 2023 coaching and list over the remainder of the season.

Experiment, view L’s as merely a draft and 2023 fixture positive.

Top 4 for 2023 is possible, if we use the remainder of 2022 correctly to set up for a slingshot into next season.


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ClockworkOrange

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Feel sorry for you guys. I'd be standing on a picket line outside the club headquarters with a NO HIRD sign. The guy is a cheat, an egomaniac and possibly a sociopath.

I think they tried that at the Bombers.

How’s that plan working out for them?


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ClockworkOrange

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Solomon as an assistant I'm good with, Hird as the full time coach, definitely not what I want

Maybe there’s synergy in JH, MM and DS working together given their personal connection?

In that case, perhaps it’s best to view these guys as a trio.

I don’t expect us to magically start winning a lot of games over the remainder of 2022, but we should start to get a sense of whether this coaching trio can get us back on the right trajectory.



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Hendo_21

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Phil mentioned the ball movement on the podcast as well, it's pretty glaring when watching us how stagnant it can look sometimes. Hopefully we see real difference and it's not just lip service, not asking for the orange tsunami to be back but just to be more lively when we're moving from our back half,
 

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Love the salty meltdown in VFL-land.

If the Club were going to appoint a HC who kept us out of flag contention all the VFL-types would be congratulating us.

Instead, we just get the smell of fear and panic drifting up from VFL land as they know that Hird has the ability take us to the promised land.


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Fair enough.

41 wins and 42 losses and 1 tie in his coaching career
Never coached a team to a finals win
Last coached in 2015
In 2015 it was 5 wins and 14 loses including 110 point lost to StKilda and 112 points to Adelaide (StKilda finished 14th and Adelaide 7th)
As far as I am aware he has done no coaching or coaching courses since 2015
The game plan came under criticism for lacking dare and adventure, but they also conceded more than 100 points on six occasions. It culminated in the sacking of James Hird with three games to play.

Yep, best person to take your club "to the promised land":rolleyes:
 

ClockworkOrange

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Fair enough.

41 wins and 42 losses and 1 tie in his coaching career
Never coached a team to a finals win
Last coached in 2015
In 2015 it was 5 wins and 14 loses including 110 point lost to StKilda and 112 points to Adelaide (StKilda finished 14th and Adelaide 7th)
As far as I am aware he has done no coaching or coaching courses since 2015
The game plan came under criticism for lacking dare and adventure, but they also conceded more than 100 points on six occasions. It culminated in the sacking of James Hird with three games to play.

Yep, best person to take your club "to the promised land"

Look, even Leon on a very bad day with half a squad could out-coach Buckley as we saw in the 2019 Prelim.

Thanks nonetheless for the Pies input on how to choose a HC.


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