Analysis Giants Coaching. Your thoughts.

[Giant Strides]

OK, all. I've added a poll to see which of the 16 candidates named in the Fox AFL article is your preferred coach. (Not necessarily who you think will get the job - who you want.)

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Please ignore these gimps all.

What would inspire someone to come on an opposition board and post inflammatory material is totally beyond me. Jerks.

Thankfully the GWS board takes it for what it is, light hearted banter.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

With this camp from hell beiing highlighted again its hard to see Pkye getting the gig at the moment.

 

[Andre the Giant]

With this camp from hell beiing highlighted again its hard to see Pkye getting the gig at the moment.

Agree, it’s absolutely heinous what happened there.

I’d go with Clarko or Hinkley. The team needs a senior voice with authority.

 

[BarryAglett]

Agree, it’s absolutely heinous what happened there.

I’d go with Clarko or Hinkley. The team needs a senior voice with authority.

Hinkley would be a disaster. I've never seen him display HC authority or qualities. Go to the Port board for confirmation.
He's overly emotional and suffers from the LC syndrome of playing guys out of position.

While everyone can agree the camp thing was a self-destructive mess, it would be a mistake to assume that Pyke or our club would repeat anything like that again.

Outside Clarkson, I think we have two clear options (as long as they are still interested in the job):
Pyke - experience
Yze - rookie

 

[Pres]

Outside Clarkson, I think we have two clear options (as long as they are still interested in the job):
Pyke - experience
Yze - rookie

Why would you go Yze necessarily rather than Kingsley/Giansiracusa/Caracella/Burns?

 

[Andre the Giant]

Hinkley would be a disaster. I've never seen him display HC authority or qualities. Go to the Port board for confirmation.
He's overly emotional and suffers from the LC syndrome of playing guys out of position.

While everyone can agree the camp thing was a self-destructive mess, it would be a mistake to assume that Pyke or our club would repeat anything like that again.

Outside Clarkson, I think we have two clear options (as long as they are still interested in the job):
Pyke - experience
Yze - rookie

Agree to disagree on this one. What happened on that camp was very unfortunate , I don’t he has a leader handled himself well at all.

RE Hinkley, I’m just looking at the other viable options. If we have a massive clean out we could probably have a rookie coach if he has a senior figure and great support.

If not Hinkley would be one of the better credentialed guys left.

He has done a pretty good job at Port over the journey, they’ve generally been competitive and he had managed young players quite well. He’s turned Finlayson from a moody indifferent waste into the most effective ruck in the competition.

I don’t love Hinkley but if we miss Clarkson he might be the best available.

 

[BarryAglett]

Why would you go Yze necessarily rather than Kingsley/Giansiracusa/Caracella/Burns?

I can't say why those other guys don't deserve a shot. Any of them could be suitable and I respect them greatly.

I will just list what I like about Yze:
Yze has done an excellent apprenticeship under both Clarkson (during the golden era) and now Goodwin.
He's held several roles and worked his way to Senior assistant. No short cuts.
Involved in 4 flags as a coach - he knows what success looks like.
He has proven ability to develop skills.
His game day tactics with Melbourne was a vital piece in their flag run. He understands what the modern game is about.
Anecdotally, he is popular with the players and can still deliver tough feedback.
Coached one game in place of Goodwin earlier this year. 100% win rate

 

[GWS Goose]

I can't say why those other guys don't deserve a shot. Any of them could be suitable and I respect them greatly.

I will just list what I like about Yze:
Yze has done an excellent apprenticeship under both Clarkson (during the golden era) and now Goodwin.
He's held several roles and worked his way to Senior assistant. No short cuts.
Involved in 4 flags as a coach - he knows what success looks like.
He has proven ability to develop skills.
His game day tactics with Melbourne was a vital piece in their flag run. He understands what the modern game is about.
Anecdotally, he is popular with the players and can still deliver tough feedback.
Coached one game in place of Goodwin earlier this year. 100% win rate

My thoughts are exactly the same on Yze.
If we are going untried, I think he is the option.

 

[SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay]

Seems from Matthews comments that he sees Clarko up there in a spruiker role as well as actual coach, more akin to what Sheeds did very successfully for you early doors.

Is that a fair read?

My view and obviously I would say this is that I can't really imagine Clarko hamming it up for the back page of the Tele.

 

[BarryAglett]

Seems from Matthews comments that he sees Clarko up there in a spruiker role as well as actual coach, more akin to what Sheeds did very successfully for you early doors.

Is that a fair read?

My view and obviously I would say this is that I can't really imagine Clarko hamming it up for the back page of the Tele.

Sheeds was the perfect man for the job at the time, but things have moved on since then.
In the Sydney sports market people like winners and if Clarkson brings winning, then that will be enough to get attention, sans hamming it up.
His aura of success and habit of surrounding himself with top people is the main "prize".

 

[Giant Strides]

Yes, I'd definitely not say "hamming it up", in fact quite the opposite: he'd be a serious coach there to get serious results and sell a serious message. Sheeds was probably a little outrageous in his spruiking approach; partly his nature, but also partly to be able to "grab a headline" and break into league/union-dominated minds in the early days when it was more a concept than reality. Clarko would be selling that message that a new club can succeed, but not starting with barren ground.

The point that counts against Clarko doing that would be his preference to sell a new Tasmanian club rather than a Sydney club.

 

[SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay]

Sheeds was the perfect man for the job at the time, but things have moved on since then.
In the Sydney sports market people like winners and if Clarkson brings winning, then that will be enough to get attention, sans hamming it up.
His aura of success and habit of surrounding himself with top people is the main "prize".

Fair enough, cheers for response.

 

[Andre the Giant]

AFL gives North, Giants a boost in Clarkson hunt; Tassie vote looms

The AFL has clarified whether North Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney can seek ambassadorial payments for Alastair Clarkson, giving each club a boost.

www.theage.com.au

This should really only be helpful to us as a rugby league state. Not sure how they could swindle it for North Melbourne in an AFL heartland. Could be the difference given he wants a team but North could also agree to pay the tax.

 

[Land of the Giants]

This week's edition of "Sliding Doors" sums us up pretty well - "a lot of mess at this club at the moment".

 

[SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay]

AFL gives North, Giants a boost in Clarkson hunt; Tassie vote looms

The AFL has clarified whether North Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney can seek ambassadorial payments for Alastair Clarkson, giving each club a boost.

www.theage.com.au

This should really only be helpful to us as a rugby league state. Not sure how they could swindle it for North Melbourne in an AFL heartland. Could be the difference given he wants a team but North could also agree to pay the tax.

I like the Giants, as close to my second team as there is, and I'm all for expansion into western Sydney.

But of the league effectively tilts the table so dramatically to one club in a situation like this, I mean, come on.

I have no issue with GWS getting extra money to promote the game in the west of Sydney.

Let a thousand orange and grey balloons soar at every community event west of the Anzac Bridge.

But doing this would just piss in the face of the idea of integrity in the league.

 

[Hendo_21]

AFL gives North, Giants a boost in Clarkson hunt; Tassie vote looms

The AFL has clarified whether North Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney can seek ambassadorial payments for Alastair Clarkson, giving each club a boost.

www.theage.com.au

This should really only be helpful to us as a rugby league state. Not sure how they could swindle it for North Melbourne in an AFL heartland. Could be the difference given he wants a team but North could also agree to pay the tax.

Hope he picks North and we don't have to deal with all the circus. Clarkos last few years at Hawthorn weren't exactly great, he takes up such a huge portion of the salary cap. But it's also Clarko and maybe he'll figure it all out and guys will be willing to take pay cuts to work with him and it'll all be good.

 

[Andre the Giant]

I like the Giants, as close to my second team as there is, and I'm all for expansion into western Sydney.

But of the league effectively tilts the table so dramatically to one club in a situation like this, I mean, come on.

I have no issue with GWS getting extra money to promote the game in the west of Sydney.

Let a thousand orange and grey balloons soar at every community event west of the Anzac Bridge.

But doing this would just piss in the face of the idea of integrity in the league.

Understand your concerns but you need to know this is far from a level playing field. Your team is the home of 60% of draftable talent, you have history, membership, strong coterie, father/son, Next Gen.

We have are strong set up allowance which has been severely eroded, AFL support, coterie group, Academy.

Our initial Academy boundary has been strongly reduced (Cheers Eddie) we won’t have any father sons for at least 18 years, we are in a rugby league stronghold, have all the league stronghold teams constantly targeting our kids.

We have higher cost of living but no cola which impinges our ability to keep players and recruit coaching assistants.

If the AFL give us a leg up in this one area its necessary as it’s hardly a level playing field. Right now it really seems we are designed to be a development team, as is Gold Coast.

If this continues the small group of fans we have will lose hope and probably lose interest in the team.

 

[SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay]

Understand your concerns but you need to know this is far from a level playing field. Your team is the home of 60% of draftable talent, you have history, membership, strong coterie, father/son, Next Gen.

We have are strong set up allowance which has been severely eroded, AFL support, coterie group, Academy.

Our initial Academy boundary has been strongly reduced (Cheers Eddie) we won’t have any father sons for at least 18 years, we are in a rugby league stronghold, have all the league stronghold teams constantly targeting our kids.

We have higher cost of living but no cola which impinges our ability to keep players and recruit coaching assistants.

If the AFL give us a leg up in this one area its necessary as it’s hardly a level playing field. Right now it really seems we are designed to be a development team, as is Gold Coast.

If this continues the small group of fans we have will lose hope and probably lose interest in the team.

All fair points. Given I'm on your board and emotions are high, I'll drop off here.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Hendo_21]

"So detail orientated" like asking who his boss is going to be

 

[Land of the Giants]

The sooner Shepherd goes, the better. His ideology is totally unsuited to what we need.

All very well and good to boast that Sydney is for winners when you're overloaded with draft concessions, but those days are long gone. Take a look at our decline in the number of games won since 2016.

We need someone like Richard Colless who was able to break the longest premiership drought in history.

 

[Brave New World]

The sooner Shepherd goes, the better. His ideology is totally unsuited to what we need.

All very well and good to boast that Sydney is for winners when you're overloaded with draft concessions, but those days are long gone. Take a look at our decline in the number of games won since 2016.

We need someone like Richard Colless who was able to break the longest premiership drought in history.

The difference was that the Swans weren't owned by the 'VFL' as are the Giants. Colless, in his second stint as a Chairman (so he was a seasoned campaigner) was more than happy to take-on Melbourne-central publicly whenever and where-ever he considered necessary. Shepherd doesn't have that luxury. A change in leadership to reflect a new dynamic is a good point you bring up; though I would be against change for its own sake.

 

[Land of the Giants]

The difference was that the Swans weren't owned by the 'VFL' as are the Giants. Colless, in his second stint as a Chairman (so he was a seasoned campaigner) was more than happy to take-on Melbourne-central publicly whenever and where-ever he considered necessary. Shepherd doesn't have that luxury. A change in leadership to reflect a new dynamic is a good point you bring up; though I would be against change for its own sake.

Shepherd is not meeting his KPIs.

We know what happens in the corporate world when you don't meet your KPIs.

 

[Land of the Giants]

"So detail orientated" like asking who his boss is going to be

It's not a matter of wanting to know details.

He's telling us he lacks confidence in the club's management.

 

[Scrapporet]

The difference was that the Swans weren't owned by the 'VFL' as are the Giants. Colless, in his second stint as a Chairman (so he was a seasoned campaigner) was more than happy to take-on Melbourne-central publicly whenever and where-ever he considered necessary.

Sorry but that is just wrong the swans are no different to us they run under an afl appointed board Colless was just willing to ruffle feathers. Shepherd is a clown.

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