List Mgmt. Gibbs - 2017 trade discussions! (Gibbs swapped for Wigg or 2nd)

Do you think Gibbs will be an Adelaide player by the end of this trade period?


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We can absolutely delist him while contracted, we just have to pay out whatever penalty is listed in the contract in order to do so (or the entire remaining value of the contract if no penalty is listed).
No we cannot, it not that simple unless he retire's and even then the AFL investigate the circumstances, The Crows cannot delist a player with a current contract without reason, ie breach of contract and even then they need to jump through hoops.
 

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No we cannot, it not that simple unless he retire's and even then the AFL investigate the circumstances, The Crows cannot delist a player with a current contract without reason, ie breach of contract and even then they need to jump through hoops.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-13/evans-in-a-pickle

"MELBOURNE has delisted injury-plagued midfielder Michael Evans, even though he has one year remaining on his contract."

"The practice of delisting players and placing them on the rookie list is quite common.

Melbourne did it with Neville Jetta at the end of last season even though he had one year remaining on his contract and the 24-year-old had his best season of football in 2014, playing 16 games. He earned a two-year contract this season. "


Mate in future I advise against doubling down on a point when you've got no ******* idea.
 

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-13/evans-in-a-pickle

"MELBOURNE has delisted injury-plagued midfielder Michael Evans, even though he has one year remaining on his contract."

"The practice of delisting players and placing them on the rookie list is quite common.

Melbourne did it with Neville Jetta at the end of last season even though he had one year remaining on his contract and the 24-year-old had his best season of football in 2014, playing 16 games. He earned a two-year contract this season. "


Mate in future I advise against doubling down on a point when you've got no ******* idea.
I was under the impression the AFL approved it and there was more to it, re Michael Evans,
But yes you are correct
But the Bolded bit was not called for,
 

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I think they they will come back with the spin similar to this:

We owed it to our supporters to give this a try as Bryce is a valued member of the CFC and we were not going to trade him unless we tried everything possible to make his life and that of his young family easier in Melbourne as a Carlton player. 12 months on and despite our best attempts the issues are still at hand and we feel that we need to do the right thing by Bryce and his family as well as CFC. As a result, we are willing to accommodate his request to return home. Bryce has been a great player for the CFC and we wish him and his family all the best at AFC. He will always remain part of the CFC family.

The end result will most likely be that Bryce Gibbs will be a Crow in 2018.
That's exactly how it would play out if he still wants to come
 

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No we cannot, it not that simple unless he retire's and even then the AFL investigate the circumstances, The Crows cannot delist a player with a current contract without reason, ie breach of contract and even then they need to jump through hoops.
Why?

Why when you have not the first idea what you're talking about do you belligerently argue such stupid things?

You're completely wrong. You have literally pulled that from your backside based on nothing at all

Why would you do that?

A contracted player can be delisted easily enough, the payments still count against TPP so there is a disincentive but it can and does happen
 

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I was under the impression the AFL approved it and there was more to it, re Michael Evans,
But yes you are correct
But the Bolded bit was not called for,
The bolded bit is very much called for.

You must know that you don't know. Surely?

So why be so belligerent about it.
 
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No we cannot, it not that simple unless he retire's and even then the AFL investigate the circumstances, The Crows cannot delist a player with a current contract without reason, ie breach of contract and even then they need to jump through hoops.
There's black and white and wrong and right. What you posted is just wrong. We must honour contractual obligations, but we can delist whoever we want, regardless of contract status.
 

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No it doesn't. Jesus
Why?

Why when you have not the first idea what you're talking about do you belligerently argue such stupid things?

You're completely wrong. You have literally pulled that from your backside based on nothing at all

Why would you do that?

A contracted player can be delisted easily enough, the payments still count against TPP so there is a disincentive but it can and does happen
Why did you feel the need to comment on this after Vhaluus, completely shut me down ie he proved his Point. My understanding Schedule C section 17 of the CBA was incorrect.

The bolded bit is very much called for.

You must know that you don't know. Surely?

So why be so belligerent about it.
Maybe you could have commented on this but again I ask why. Why did you feel the need to, is you dislike for me that bad you felt the need to comment.
But I will attempt state my piont/reasoning while it may not appease all, After all, it my point of view. I have always said if I am wrong I will admit it. But I don't like or tolerate keyboard insults and bullying never have and never will, I am old school and strongly believe unless you are willing to talk the same way to person's face then don't write it.
When I look deeper, Maybe my problem stems from the fact not many people insult me to my face, the ones that know me will argue but we never make it personal. So I don't like it when it happens I would rather have a decent discussion than feel the need to belittle people. I get my back up when it happens and attempt to head it off before it does. Or it could be I was raised to respect that everyone views and opinions that may or may not differ from mine,
We all have weaknesses.

Vhaluus, don't get me wrong I did not take your comment this way. I just believe it was heading that way, my apologies if it was wrong
 
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There's black and white and wrong and right. What you posted is just wrong. We must honour contractual obligations, but we can delist whoever we want, regardless of contract status.
I fully understand that now, the point was proven and I did acknowledge it. Went off memory rather than facts got caught up on the "An AFL Club shall be entitled to apply to the AFL to delete a Player’s name from its List" part in scheduled C-section 17a, and for some reason thought they could not. After Vhaluus, corrected me I re-read the section, no excuses I was wrong simple as that.
 

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I fully understand that now, the point was proven and I did acknowledge it. Went off memory rather than facts got caught up on the "An AFL Club shall be entitled to apply to the AFL to delete a Player’s name from its List" part in scheduled C-section 17a, and for some reason thought they could not. After Vhaluus, corrected me I re-read the section, no excuses I was wrong simple as that.
Being able to acknowledge when you are wrong is not an easy skill or thing to do. So I respect your ability to do it here.
 

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Why did you feel the need to comment on this after Vhaluus, completely shut me down ie he proved his Point. My understanding Schedule C section 17 of the CBA was incorrect.
after? do you not understand numerical ordering

Maybe you could have commented on this but again I ask why. Why did you feel the need to, is you dislike for me that bad you felt the need to comment.
But I will attempt state my piont/reasoning while it may not appease all, After all, it my point of view. I have always said if I am wrong I will admit it. But I don't like or tolerate keyboard insults and bullying never have and never will, I am old school and strongly believe unless you are willing to talk the same way to person's face then don't write it.
When I look deeper, Maybe my problem stems from the fact not many people insult me to my face, the ones that know me will argue but we never make it personal. So I don't like it when it happens I would rather have a decent discussion than feel the need to belittle people. I get my back up when it happens and attempt to head it off before it does. Or it could be I was raised to respect that everyone views and opinions that may or may not differ from mine,
We all have weaknesses.

Vhaluus, don't get me wrong I did not take your comment this way. I just believe it was heading that way, my apologies if it was wrong
NO!!!!!

it's not a matter of reasoning!! it's a matter of fact. there is nothing old school about making things up
and you weren't wrong, you were dishonest. you must have known you didn't know - there is no room for interpretation, it is not about opinion.

from my point of view the problem is content. whereas you hide behind the excuse that it's personal, which is a convenient get out that avoids the issue of content. the issue I have is that you don't seem to care one bit whether what you say is true is or not. literally it doesn't seem to play any part in your thought process.

why do it? why be so belligerent about something you don't know much about? that's the issue, not all this fortune cookie introspection.
 
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after? do you not understand numerical ordering



NO!!!!!

it's not a matter of reasoning!! it's a matter of fact. there is nothing old school about making things up
and you weren't wrong, you were dishonest. you must have known you didn't know - there is no room for interpretation, it is not about opinion.

from my point of view the problem is content. whereas you hide behind the excuse that it's personal, which is a convenient get out that avoids the issue of content. the issue I have is that you don't seem to care one bit whether what you say is true is or not. literally it doesn't seem to play any part in your thought process.

why do it? why be so belligerent about something you don't know much about? that's the issue, not all this fortune cookie introspection.
Originally I had a half page response but then I realise what I was doing so I deleted it. But I will leave you with this. And Hope I don't bore others with my response.
I have explained where I stuffed up and why. take it or leave it because you don't matter, all that matter is the person I acknowledge understands
We could go on for days but to be honest I don't believe the rest of the people on this site deserve the crap that will follow from both of us.
So feel free to reply, But keep it friendly and keep it football.
Best of luck and enjoy your day.
 
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A contracted player can be delisted easily enough, the payments still count against TPP so there is a disincentive but it can and does happen
Exactly this. There is nothing in the players contract compels the club to play them. Only to pay them.

A club can delist a player half way through a contract if they want. They still have to pay out the full duration of the contract however. A deal is a deal and the player has done nothing wrong.

If a player breaches his contract (Serious misdemeanours or refusing to play/ perform his end of the contract) then the club may be able to delist him without paying him out. In those situations the club and player usually have to sit down and work out a severance package, or more likely agree to trade him.

Carlton have sacked a few contracted players in this manner over the past decade or so. Lawrence Angwin and Josh Bootsma spring to mind.
 

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So how did BG go this weekend. Whenever he has a decent game there are 100 posts. But when he goes missing, as is his typical way, there are crickets.

I accept that this guy is almost elite and would have improved our team this season. But he has limited quality games left in him. I cant understand why people are still suggesting we would give up a first for him at the end of the season. But my biggest concern right now is that we have a very good age profile of young quality players. We must retain them and fit them into our salary cap. If there is room after we secure the existing young players plus a handful of our key older players, then we can consider 29 year old not quite elite players. Also I wouldnt be breaking our over 30 contract length for him either.
 

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So how did BG go this weekend. Whenever he has a decent game there are 100 posts. But when he goes missing, as is his typical way, there are crickets.

I accept that this guy is almost elite and would have improved our team this season. But he has limited quality games left in him. I cant understand why people are still suggesting we would give up a first for him at the end of the season. But my biggest concern right now is that we have a very good age profile of young quality players. We must retain them and fit them into our salary cap. If there is room after we secure the existing young players plus a handful of our key older players, then we can consider 29 year old not quite elite players. Also I wouldnt be breaking our over 30 contract length for him either.
What if we lose a prelim or GF and Gibbs would've made a difference? Id pay a first rounder!
 

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When Tippetgate happened we desisted McIntyre I think it was even though he had a year left on his contract, paid him out, redrafted him and then desisted him again the following year. One of our finer list management bulls ups.
 

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When Tippetgate happened we desisted McIntyre I think it was even though he had a year left on his contract, paid him out, redrafted him and then desisted him again the following year. One of our finer list management bulls ups.
I think it was Nick 'Mascot' Joyce.

Just part of the **** up that was the 2011 draft (Kerridge, Grigg, Joyce, CEY)
 

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What if we lose a prelim or GF and Gibbs would've made a difference? Id pay a first rounder!
How much of a difference will he actually make? Which player is he taking the place of and what extra is he going to give? I agree it will be more than the player he is going to replace, but how much more? What if we lose that prelim or GF anyway. Then we are down a first round player for up to 10 years and we have an extra older player on big wages who was not good enough to lift us. I think the most important thing we can possibly do right now is hold our existing list together. I would be surprised if there would be enough money left over for Gibbs. I also don't want to be stuck with Gibbs draining our wages in 3 years time. Look at all the players now in their 30s with question marks over their names. I read Robbie Gray today in one of the threads, which is what reminded me to come over here and make a comment.

The only way I would want us to look at Gibbs is if we ended up losing one of our young players. If Gov or Lever decided to leave then I think the situation suits us bringing in a big player. I would be looking elsewhere first, Dusty, Fyfe, Rocky, Kelly, and then go for Gibbs.
 

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How much of a difference will he actually make? Which player is he taking the place of and what extra is he going to give? I agree it will be more than the player he is going to replace, but how much more? What if we lose that prelim or GF anyway. Then we are down a first round player for up to 10 years and we have an extra older player on big wages who was not good enough to lift us. I think the most important thing we can possibly do right now is hold our existing list together. I would be surprised if there would be enough money left over for Gibbs. I also don't want to be stuck with Gibbs draining our wages in 3 years time. Look at all the players now in their 30s with question marks over their names. I read Robbie Gray today in one of the threads, which is what reminded me to come over here and make a comment.

The only way I would want us to look at Gibbs is if we ended up losing one of our young players. If Gov or Lever decided to leave then I think the situation suits us bringing in a big player. I would be looking elsewhere first, Dusty, Fyfe, Rocky, Kelly, and then go for Gibbs.
I don't know if this is still going to happen or not, personally as a Carlton supporter I think BG coming to you guys is more than likely not to happen now, however that said, IF, it does, I would suggest we would be paying big chunk of his wages anyway.
 

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I don't know if this is still going to happen or not, personally as a Carlton supporter I think BG coming to you guys is more than likely not to happen now, however that said, IF, it does, I would suggest we would be paying big chunk of his wages anyway.
If you are paying part of his wages then I am in :) As I said, I think our priority should be retaining our existing guns and future guns.
 

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If you are paying part of his wages then I am in :) As I said, I think our priority should be retaining our existing guns and future guns.
I would suggest its likely as we have a crap load of cap space to play with to meet minimum TPP. Do I want to trade him Yes! Then both clubs supporters are going to have to sit through hundreds of pages over rating and under rating his worth depending on which club we support. Not at all looking forward to that TBH. That said, Do I think it will finally happen this year, No! I don't. My gut is telling me that this ship has sailed and he will see out his contract. Which is a shame as he is really our only player with any real trade value. Unless we are putting Cripps or our recent draftees on the table.
 
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