List Mgmt. Gibbs - 2017 trade discussions! (Gibbs swapped for Wigg or 2nd)

[Malifice]

He averages 22.7 disposals per game over his entire (209) game career. He has never spent much time in the forward line, so an average of .57 goals per game is not bad at all.

He spent the first half of his career largely sweeping off halfback, and with the occasional tagging or run with role.

It wasn't until Malthouse that we finally start playing him as a midfielder.

 

[TrainRoo32]

Exactly. We might always choke under pressure, but at least we're better than Tottenham!

Like I said before as long as we finish higher than Port....and play finals, get past the first round!
Gooners only care about finishing higher than Spurs..... qualifying for champions league, get past the group stage!

lol

 

[marty36]

Like I said before as long as we finish higher than Port....and play finals, get past the first round!
Gooners only care about finishing higher than Spurs..... qualifying for champions league, get past the group stage!

lol

We need to stay competitive


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[Vader]

I actually believe if Betts didnt have the success that he has had at Adelaide, we may have got Gibbs for fair market value. It hurts their supporters the blue chip player he has become in the competition. The irony is that he wanted to stay at the Blues too.

It's not just Betts - it's Betts and Jacobs. We paid less for Jacobs than they wanted, because he was out of contract. We got Betts for free. This time we were after a contracted player, meaning Carlton had the power - and SOS was determined to get something back for the players they'd previously lost to us. He overestimated Adelaide's willingness to pay.

 

[Vader]

I'm not going to dispute if we paid 2 x firsts it would be overs for Gibbs considering what we got for Danger

But would he have been the missing price in the puzzle, he isn't a superstar where he will win the game if his own boot, but coupled with crouch , Sloane , crouch , Gibbs, Hampton , Douglass does it give us the missing piece to the puzzle. Would that overpayment have snared or at least give us a shot at the flag, making it the piece we needed

Guess no one can answer that, but we are so close but so far away

Therein lies the issue... Gibbs is not and was not the missing piece in the puzzle. We're 2x A-grade midfielders away from a premiership. Bringing in 1x B+ grade midfielder isn't going to close the gap sufficiently to turn us into a genuine premiership contender. His inclusion would not "give us a shot at the flag".

 

[Vader]

Thommo forced rest, we'll see about this year, I doubt he'll be carried like he was throughout the last 2/3's of last season. Disagree on VB, there's no way the old culture in its full glory would have dropped him after round 1 in a close loss. Re Campo and Clarke, you've seen our financials, you know we can't afford to pay out coaching contracts and the resultant tax that would come from also having to pay their replacements. I will accept though, that the real test is whether they're re-contracted. Not sure about Doc, but Campo is up this year, so hopefully we find out later rather than sooner. I'll judge Burton on results, as I will all new appointments.

Johncock, Porplyzia, ... There's no shortage of declining senior players who were dropped in their final year as soon as the extent of their decline became apparent. No change, only in the wishful minds of some.

 

[GROTTO]

It's not just Betts - it's Betts and Jacobs. We paid less for Jacobs than they wanted, because he was out of contract. We got Betts for free. This time we were after a contracted player, meaning Carlton had the power - and SOS was determined to get something back for the players they'd previously lost to us. He overestimated Adelaide's willingness to pay.

I dont disagree with that, but I think the media fascination with how well Betts has done for us and the fact that he almost always appears every week or every second week with goal of the week/year contender coupled with being an AA and or AA squad member has really hurt them.

Lets be honest, Betts would have still been with the Blues if they offered him the same contract as us. They wanted Thomas instead and we all know how that has played out.

 

[GROTTO]

Therein lies the issue... Gibbs is not and was not the missing piece in the puzzle. We're 2x A-grade midfielders away from a premiership. Bringing in 1x B+ grade midfielder isn't going to close the gap sufficiently to turn us into a genuine premiership contender. His inclusion would not "give us a shot at the flag".

The only one player imo in the comp that can do this is Fyfe. We are definitely not getting him to the Crows.

 

[Pdub]

If it's true that we only offered a 1st and 3rd, it would most likely have been the Gallucci and Poholke picks, which was a very high 3rd round pick, potentially not much different to our future 2nd round pick. When Carlton said a 1st and a 2nd "would have been closer" they are probably thinking a low 20s 2nd round pick, the kind of 2nd round pick Carlton are used to having.

 

[Vader]

The only one player imo in the comp that can do this is Fyfe. We are definitely not getting him to the Crows.

Individually, Fyfe is probably the only player who could close the gap.

If we were to land Rockliff and Gibbs, then that combination would go a long way towards closing the gap. Replace one (either) of those with Dustin Martin, and we're well and truly in the mix.

** Realistically, Gibbs is the only one of those players who is likely to be on Adelaide's list in 2018.

 

[GROTTO]

Individually, Fyfe is probably the only player who could close the gap.

If we were to land Rockliff and Gibbs, then that combination would go a long way towards closing the gap. Replace one (either) of those with Dustin Martin, and we're well and truly in the mix.

** Realistically, Gibbs is the only one of those players who is likely to be on Adelaide's list in 2018.

If hypothetically we were to land Rocky or Dusty you could imagine the Blues extorting us to give us Gibbs. I would be surprised if they didnt, they would know as well, that that combination of players would take us to a flag.

 

[GROTTO]

If it's true that we only offered a 1st and 3rd, it would most likely have been the Gallucci and Poholke picks, which was a very high 3rd round pick, potentially not much different to our future 2nd round pick. When Carlton said a 1st and a 2nd "would have been closer" they are probably thinking a low 20s 2nd round pick, the kind of 2nd round pick Carlton are used to having.

If Gallucci has a good debut year with us, would we trade him for Gibbs? I can see Carlton's mentality, why take the risk last year? Lets keep Gibbs and see how their first rounder pans out. If he is good we will do a straight swap.

 

[Team DJ]

Therein lies the issue... Gibbs is not and was not the missing piece in the puzzle. We're 2x A-grade midfielders away from a premiership. Bringing in 1x B+ grade midfielder isn't going to close the gap sufficiently to turn us into a genuine premiership contender. His inclusion would not "give us a shot at the flag".

A, B+er at Carlton. Eddie Betts was a B+ at Carlton too.

Put more talent around the and Boom, An A standard player

 

[Vader]

A, B+er at Carlton. Eddie Betts was a B+ at Carlton too.

Put more talent around the and Boom, An A standard player

A nice fantasy.

 

[Team DJ]

A nice fantasy.

Reality, Countless players go from being a strong B to an A grader with more talent around them.
Lets look at Bryce's Strengths - Ball use and Decision making
Weaknesses - Ball Winning

At Carlton he has had Judd years ago, and a 20 year old Cripps who are good contested ball winners to feed him.

At Adelaide he has - Sloane BCrouch MCrouch Thompson Douglas who are very good at finding the Footy and releasing the outside player. Bryce on the outside feeding Tex Jenkins etc, mouth watering

 

[Niximus]

A, B+er at Carlton. Eddie Betts was a B+ at Carlton too.

Put more talent around the and Boom, An A standard player

That's not a rule. It can happen, it does happen and Eddie is an example, it isn't guaranteed though. You have to make the call on where a player's ceiling is.

Bernie went to a worse team and played some of his best football. Richard Tambling came to a better side and didn't change at all.

 

[Team DJ]

That's not a rule. It can happen, it does happen and Eddie is an example, it isn't guaranteed though. You have to make the call on where a player's ceiling is.

Bernie went to a worse team and played some of his best football. Richard Tambling came to a better side and didn't change at all.

Bernie went to a worse team yes, best football.... maybe. He won a Gold Jacket here. Even at that worse team, the players in his area were still of a high quality. Jones Viney etc.

Bryce has proven far far more than Tambling has done.

 

[Niximus]

Bernie went to a worse team yes, best football.... maybe. He won a Gold Jacket here. Even at that worse team, the players in his area were still of a high quality. Jones Viney etc.

Bryce has proven far far more than Tambling has done.

As I said, some of his best football. His 2009 is about the only year with us that beats his form at Melbourne.

Gibbs has done more than Tambling, but that's not what you're arguing, you're saying that players become better in a better team and with such confidence that you would pay A+ prices for a B+ player assuming an automatic increase in performance.

 

[Team DJ]

As I said, some of his best football. His 2009 is about the only year with us that beats his form at Melbourne.

Gibbs has done more than Tambling, but that's not what you're arguing, you're saying that players become better in a better team and with such confidence that you would pay A+ prices for a B+ player assuming an automatic increase in performance.

Tambling was never B+ maybe a C grader at best. That was a pure hit and hope.

Bryce has shown that he can play A grade footy, maybe not week in week out with his current team, but there is the talent there.
Put the better team around him and he will be able to show that standard of Footy more often.

 

[Niximus]

Tambling was never B+ maybe a C grader at best. That was a pure hit and hope.

Bryce has shown that he can play A grade footy, maybe not week in week out with his current team, but there is the talent there.
Put the better team around him and he will be able to show that standard of Footy more often.

Maybe not week in week out with anyone. That's the call our recruiters needed to make, the call they did make.

Some players do improve in a better team, for many players though what you see is what you get.

Other players just look better in a better team because their more skillful teammates mean that their mistakes aren't punished as often.

 

[Team DJ]

Maybe not week in week out with anyone. That's the call our recruiters needed to make, the call they did make.

Some players do improve in a better team, for many players though what you see is what you get.

Other players just look better in a better team because their more skillful teammates mean that their mistakes aren't punished as often.

Bryce doesnt make mistakes though with ball in hand. His touches are class. With better players feeding him, he should get even more touches, with more time and space. He couldve been lethal.

We just wern't willing to trade Gallucci and Dodee.

 

[TexForPM]

Bryce doesnt make mistakes though with ball in hand. His touches are class. With better players feeding him, he should get even more touches, with more time and space. He couldve been lethal.

We just wern't willing to trade Gallucci and Dodee.

in 2015 his DE was 62%

 

[Team DJ]

Career average of 22.7 disposals.
Only 3 clangers per game

 

[Niximus]

Bryce doesnt make mistakes though with ball in hand. His touches are class. With better players feeding him, he should get even more touches, with more time and space. He couldve been lethal.

We just wern't willing to trade Gallucci and Dodee.

in 2015 his DE was 62%

Career average of 22.7 disposals.
Only 3 clangers per game

Looking at 2016, Gibbs disposal efficiency was 69.7 - 23rd out of 35 players at got a game at Carlton last year. MacKay went at 72.1%

 

[TexForPM]

Looking at 2016, Gibbs disposal efficiency was 69.7 - 23rd out of 35 players at got a game at Carlton last year. MacKay went at 72.1%

Doesn't make mistakes was DJ s call. Just saying 2015 his DE was 62%

Mackay issue is his feeble attempt to tackle and put pressure on. He gives up in the contest