Gibbs requests trade to Adelaide

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CEY has said he wants to remain with the Crows and that he expects to be playing seniors next year. He is contracted, so can't be forced to move.
If we were to add Rocky as an in to Gibbs (already known target when CEY made that statement) then this may change his views as he would definitely be 1 peg further back, especially if Lyons also ends up staying.

IMO opinion at this point the club has said to players like CEY that they have the inside running over THommo if they take their chance, which is why he is backing himself in to stay. But if Rocky was an unanticipated in based on the time of that decision I could see the club and him having an open discussion
 

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No. Significantly better. I wonder if some posters have never watched Gibbs play. Would easily be second best player after Sloane
Agree to disagree.

IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.
 

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Our alleged offering structure doesn't make sense. I believe that it is commonly accepted that our current offer is 13 alone. However, why would we start with a better offer of 13+Lyons and then downgrade it? This would be against all bidding strategies which are to start low and increase. Something must be wrong somewhere in these reports.
The issue is that we've got nothing else at the moment. If we were offering up whatever we'd get for Lyons then we'd have given him 2 days to sign the contract we've tabled and his exit from the club would be common knowledge. But we're obviously still negotiating to some extent. This leaves whatever we'd get for contracted players who want out or maybe Dear. It's hard to know what we might be getting in to add to 13 and our 3rd would presumably be off the table unless we have no interest in young Jarman.
 

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Agree to disagree.

IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.
Not sure how you can argue that his B&F results are no good. He's been there 10 years and finished top 5 in 7 of those years. Outstanding record I would have thought.

In terms of outside awards it is a little harder playing in a consistently poor side. It's generally the case that the better, winning, sides supply most of the AA and get most Brownlow votes.

That's not to say he hasn't struggled with consistency - he has. But I think that's improving and I think, after being messed around earlier in his career with his role, we are now seeing him in his most natural position at the coalface.

Lets make no mistake about this, when he's on he's a beast, you only have to look at his game v Geelong this year when he took DangerWood to the cleaners. He also almost single handedly dragged Carlton over the line v Sydney with an epic midfield display. By that I'm talking contested poss, clearances, tackles - tough inside play.

On his day he's one of the best, our challenge will be working to ensure that happens more often
 

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Agree to disagree.

IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.
Wow uninformed opinion. How can you look at his b&f results and say he hasn't been rated. Fantastic and consistent record. In his prime and will be a star for us.
 

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Not sure how you can argue that his B&F results are no good. He's been there 10 years and finished top 5 in 7 of those years. Outstanding record I would have thought.
Lack of competition for top 5 results.

He was a number 1 pick. Touted A grader playing for a pretty poor team over his journey. Frankly a true A grader in that team would have 4-5 B&F's in that team.
 

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The suggestions of those players + #13 is simply media driven .......Trade radio is a lot of air time to talk about trades that aren't happening ....so they dig up scenarios to get caller feedback to fill air-time

Nothing in it
Not neccessarily. If Carlton are expecting overs because of his contract status, then they might just be reporting what they're demanding at the moment. It could be there opening position and there's an assumption that they're happy to keep him.
 

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I'm at a stage where I've stopped caring whether it happens or not.

Obviously there's pressure on SOS to be the next Adrian Dodoro. Some of the trade suggestions for Gibbs are as laughable as when Adrian Dodoro was asking for Wingard, Wines etc to be included in the Ryder trade.

As a supporter I am more than happy if Adelaide walks away. I agree that pick 13 is a little low, but if we can find a 2nd rounder to package with 13 and Carlton still refuse that then I'd walk away.
 

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I'm at a stage where I've stopped caring whether it happens or not.

Obviously there's pressure on SOS to be the next Adrian Dodoro. Some of the trade suggestions for Gibbs are as laughable as when Adrian Dodoro was asking for Wingard, Wines etc to be included in the Ryder trade.

As a supporter I am more than happy if Adelaide walks away. I agree that pick 13 is a little low, but if we can find a 2nd rounder to package with 13 and Carlton still refuse that then I'd walk away.
For all we know SOS has agreed to 13 dependant on his GWS fetish trades.
 

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Lack of competition for top 5 results.

He was a number 1 pick. Touted A grader playing for a pretty poor team over his journey. Frankly a true A grader in that team would have 4-5 B&F's in that team.
Chis Judd x 3, Murphy, Cripps???

Come on....have a different opinion sure, but lets not twist facts
 

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Meaning after negotiations 30-35%
Makes sense now they are willing to let him go for less than a first rounder, they need to get the cash off the books.
Brisbane would be the side with the least amount of salary cap problems. Well, unless not having enough talent to pay 95% is seen as a salary cap issue.
 
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Judd, Murphy, Simpson yep no competition :thumbsu:
3 players? and ones a half back flanker. So finishing 4th. in their B&F is the expectation?

You can disagree, no problem. I expected more from Gibbs the junior. Thought he'd be top 5 in the competition. He isn't and never will be. I rate him, but he's not in the elite group IMO that's all. Going back to what I said. He's an upgrade on Lyons, but not a huge one IMO.
 

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Wow uninformed opinion. How can you look at his b&f results and say he hasn't been rated. Fantastic and consistent record. In his prime and will be a star for us.
Because his B&F results, in a poor team, do not justify conversations around 2 first round picks - given his age, I don't think it justifies a first and a second, either. His results are good - not great; which sums him up.

Pretty frustrating - Gibbs could've come to us two years ago, and we would've avoided all of this shit.
 

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I think once both clubs know there will be no compensation for Henderson they will start moving towards a deal.

If carlton were smart they would have taken Hendo on Gibbs' contract with unreachable triggers for a second year to get a high compensation pick, then get us to give that compensation pick to them. They wont be using their full cap next season anyway.

Say 4years at $600k for hendo but he needs to be All Australian each of those years to trigger.
Was posted in here that FA window shut yesterday. If true would mean he either stays, gets traded or leaves as a DFA. Not sure why anyone would trade, when they could have had him free, so seems unlikely we'll be getting anything for him. If true about the FA period closing of course.
 

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Well if you include JOM then you truly are clutching at straws. If he is an A grader then so is Brad Crouch. They might have the A grade talent but they certainly have to reached the A grade status.

The Hawks trio you mentioned are on their last legs. Other than Lewis who will probably end up at Melbourne Mitchell has one year left at West Coast and Hodge one at Hawthorn.

In terms of Freo, if you are including Barlow then you might as well include Thompson for us. They are both coocked. Freo have one genuine A grader in Fyfe who just might be the best player in the comp. Mundy is on his last legs and Neale is not exactly an A grader. Bennell has the A grade talent but let's wait and see on that one.

Again from the top 8 sides who were clearly better than the bottom 10 sides this year, only Sydney and GWS have 3 or more genuine A graders in their midfield. The rest have 1 or 2 and a deep and even midfield with some very good players in there that are not A graders.

We have 1 A grader in Sloane, Gibbs at his best can be one, and a bunch of players on the list who have a genuine A grade talent but are yet to reach that status. This at least 3 A graders talk is funny. Just a couple of weeks ago Bickley was saying Gibbs is a B grader but now that we are trying to get him he is an A grader. Our captain is just trying to be controversial
Fair with O'Meara.

I didn't call Barlow an A grader, more a B along with Mundy with their recent decline. As for Neale, how much more can he do? Think he was something like the 3rd player to collect over 700 touches in a H&A season (might be wrong but seem to recall reading that) at an average of 33.5 a game.

So probably not far off with there not being many other teams with 3 A grade midfielders at this stage. That being said, I think it would be pretty interesting to look over the last decade of grand finalists as I think a lot of those teams would feature 3 A grade midfielders.
 
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