Agree to disagree.
IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.
Not sure how you can argue that his B&F results are no good. He's been there 10 years and finished top 5 in 7 of those years. Outstanding record I would have thought.
In terms of outside awards it is a little harder playing in a consistently poor side. It's generally the case that the better, winning, sides supply most of the AA and get most Brownlow votes.
That's not to say he hasn't struggled with consistency - he has. But I think that's improving and I think, after being messed around earlier in his career with his role, we are now seeing him in his most natural position at the coalface.
Lets make no mistake about this, when he's on he's a beast, you only have to look at his game v Geelong this year when he took DangerWood to the cleaners. He also almost single handedly dragged Carlton over the line v Sydney with an epic midfield display. By that I'm talking contested poss, clearances, tackles - tough inside play.
On his day he's one of the best, our challenge will be working to ensure that happens more often