Gibbs requests trade to Adelaide

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Yes and no, it depends where Adelaide and Carlton finish next year.

If we have a few injuries and finish around the same position as Carlton (say we finish 11th and Carlton finishes 10th). It would then be pick 9 (if we traded our 2nd) vs having 2 picks in the 30s (if we trade our first and receive Carlton's 2nd). Under those circumstances you would take pick 9 any day of the week.

That's the problem with speculative pick trading. At the time you think it's great, but like Collingwood found with the Treloar trade they can also turn around and bite you too.
Carlton will finish bottom 4 IMO and potentially bottom 2, they will be in full rebuild mode
 

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Yes and no, it depends where Adelaide and Carlton finish next year.

If we have a few injuries and finish around the same position as Carlton (say we finish 11th and Carlton finishes 10th). It would then be pick 9 (if we traded our 2nd) vs having 2 picks in the 30s (if we trade our first and receive Carlton's 2nd). Under those circumstances you would take pick 9 any day of the week.

That's the problem with speculative pick trading. At the time you think it's great, but like Collingwood found with the Treloar trade they can also turn around and bite you too.
Carlton will finish bottom 4 IMO and potentially bottom 2, they will be in full rebuild mode
 

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Technically better, but not 'much better'. Let's be conservative and say in 2017 we finish 6th and Carlton finish 12th (risk involved with these scenarios). We give up pick 13 and receive pick 24. Points difference is 427. Pick 31 (2017 2nd, assuming same scenario) is worth 606.

And if we disregard the points argument, I'd suggest most on here wouldn't swap pick 13 for 24 and 31 either... Particularly as we bagged Port for doing a similar thing today.
Could be much better if we finish top 4 and Carlton finish last. Carlton are losing Gibbs and Touhy.
 

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Cant understand why we aren't going to GC with 13 and Lyons for one of their Top 10 picks and one of their 2nd rounders, then we don't need to bloody put any of next years picks on the table

honestly 13 and Lyons for 10 and 26 is a good deal

10 for Gibbs that's it.
 

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We aren't Collingwood and its a calculated risk worth taking to secure a class player like Gibbs.
I get what you've been posting on this scenario however it only works if we end up higher and Carlton stays lower.
The issue I have is that our draw will be tough again in 2017 and there are a number of teams trading well that you can see will have better results in 2017 than they had in 2016. Add to that our dream run with injuries in 2016 and that's a mighty risk to take.

We lost too many high draft picks with the Tippett fiasco. If we do this trade as has been suggested and it doesn't pan out in our favour forget competing for a premiership any time soon.
 

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Port has shown that there is no such thing as a missing piece of the puzzle, one player doesn't fix a team. 2 picks is way too much to gamble when we've been pick starved.
Yep we are much better off not trading for good players you convinced me. Premiership here we come!

It wouldn't be 2 picks it would be 13 + a downgrade for us.
 

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I get what you've been posting on this scenario however it only works if we end up higher and Carlton stays lower.
The issue I have is that our draw will be tough again in 2017 and there are a number of teams trading well that you can see will have better results in 2017 than they had in 2016. Add to that our dream run with injuries in 2016 and that's a mighty risk to take.

We lost too many high draft picks with the Tippett fiasco. If we do this trade as has been suggested and it doesn't pan out in our favour forget competing for a premiership any time soon.
We don't trade in an A grade mid and you kiss a flag goodbye anyway. I will be stoked if we go all out to win it. Gibbs is step 1.
 

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Big question I have If its pick 13 and 2017 1st round plus a 2017 2nd back, If the Crows believe Jackson is 1st round material its a shit deal. Because if he does then we lose both 2nd round picks. Therefor we have No draft pick until 50 plus in arguable the best all round draft in years. (50 base on us finishing 5th or higher)
If Jackson is 2nd round then it may work for us. If we finish strong and Carlton finish weak. And get to use that 2nd round and maybe both before Jackson called.

So I would be looking at where they think Jackson will be before signing of on both first round picks.
 

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Could be much better if we finish top 4 and Carlton finish last. Carlton are losing Gibbs and Touhy.
Therein lies the problem. Do we risk a 'could be' scenario that could also turn really bad if we finish 8th and Carlton finish 10th. We had virtually zero injuries this year.

The 2 firsts scenario is probably ahead on paper but not to the point of the 'stupid' and 'imbecile' comments
 

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Could be much better if we finish top 4 and Carlton finish last. Carlton are losing Gibbs and Touhy.
Not to mention both Walker and Jamison have retired, Carlton will be very young next season and still haven't found any KPF to help out Martty Wright their leading goal kicker

Carlton really struggled in the 2nd half of this year and I expect much of the same in 2017
 

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Cant understand why we aren't going to GC with 13 and Lyons for one of their Top 10 picks and one of their 2nd rounders, then we don't need to bloody put any of next years picks on the table

honestly 13 and Lyons for 10 and 26 is a good deal

10 for Gibbs that's it.
An amazing deal for us, but an absolute reaming for Gold Coast.

No-one in their right mind at Gold Coast would be stupid enough to make that trade.
 
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It's Boom or Bust time for me. I'm sick of not making the last weekend!!! I vote YES!!!
Im not trolling...if i was an Adelaide supporter i would vote yes.

I mean, the list has been performing well but appears to be an A grader midfielder short of being a genuine premiership contender...

Premierships are hard to come by and it's all about timing...if the list is peaking and an A grade midfielder like Gibbs just happens to request a trade to you to fill your most obvious hole in the list...that is the stars aligning...you gotta bite the bullet and take a chance.

What's the point of not doing anything this trade period and finishing 5th again? Good season, but not winning a premiership...
Then after next year who knows what will happen, players move, get injured, lose form etc.

As others have said the difference between your 2017 1st and our 2017 2nd isn't likely to be much anyway.
 

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Not to mention both Walker and Jamison have retired, Carlton will be very young next season and still haven't found any KPF to help out Martty Wright their leading goal kicker

Carlton really struggled in the 2nd half of this year and I expect much of the same in 2017
Obviously losing Gibbs will make us even weaker in the short term so i realy don't know why some Adelaide fans are concerned about pick 13 and basically a few picks downgrade.
 

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Therein lies the problem. Do we risk a 'could be' scenario that could also turn really bad if We finish 8th and Carlton finish 10th. We had virtually zero injuries this year.

The 2 firsts scenario is probably ahead on paper but not to the point of the 'stupid' and 'imbecile' comments
I can accept the opinion its too much and not to pull the trigger on Gibbs even though i disagree.

Its the clowns that say 2 firsts for a 28 year old Gibbs! Without acknowledging we get a pick back which should be close to our 2017 first that have been testing my patience.
 

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not after free agency compensation
And we already know who is leaving, how much money they are getting and what the compo picks are?

Are we also going to be one of those people who stupidly include academy picks in claiming it pushes our pick back without realising we actually never had access to those kids to star off with.

There are a lot of free agents next year but how many of thos huge name FA are likely to leave thier teams? Rocky is the only one so far. Talk of Fyfe and and Martin are probably fanciful.

Plus if we happened to be one of those clubs that signs Fyfe or Martin we couldn't give a **** that there is a compo pick pushing our pick back :D

Seriously, even if we slide back 10 spots, it is still better than losing a pick all together next year. I am willing to back in our recruiters to get in a gun with that pick.
 

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I can accept the opinion its too much and not to pull the trigger on Gibbs even though i disagree.

Its the clowns that say 2 firsts for a 28 year old Gibbs! Without acknowledging we get a pick back which should be close to our 2017 first that have been testing my patience.
Just to add to this...why is everyone quoting him as 28? He's 27 ffs doesn't turn 28 for another 5 months.

And dont give me the bs of 'oh he will be 28 by the time he plays for us next season'...5 months is 5 months. That's basically halfway i could say he's basically 26 by that logic lol.

Then every 29 year old is actually 30 right now? 18 year olds are 19? That's not how age works...
 

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Therein lies the problem. Do we risk a 'could be' scenario that could also turn really bad if We finish 8th and Carlton finish 10th. We had virtually zero injuries this year.

The 2 firsts scenario is probably ahead on paper but not to the point of the 'stupid' and 'imbecile' comments
I don't see a problem

After 20 years without a flag and considering the current profile
Of our list it's time to roll the dice a bit

On current ladder position odds the slide on 2017 draft position could translate to about 6 places or even less in the draft

Based on this risk vs reward it's time for the club to back itself in and roll the dice
 

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We don't trade in an A grade mid and you kiss a flag goodbye anyway. I will be stoked if we go all out to win it. Gibbs is step 1.
Sure Gibbs is step 1, whats step 2 and when will step 2 eventuate. If step 2 takes another 2 years I'd argure the Gibbs trade achieves nothing.
We need step 2 now. Maybe well see it come to fruition end of trade week, not sure how or who though.
 

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Using father son points as an indicator, unless we seriously drop off next year and Carlton shoot for the top 8, we'd be giving up MORE for Gibbs by adding a second rounder to Pick 13 than if we swapped our 2017 first for their 2017 second. Doesn't matter though, the melties on this board hear "2 first rounders" and the blood starts boiling. Can't help imbeciles like that.
Wether its two firsts with a second back or a first and second its too much.
Unless you dont know football and think Gibbs is A grade talent with the likes of Dangerfield, Fyfe, Sloane, Gray etc.
 
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