Gillard speech

[camsmith]

I mean about stepping up to the plate as a deputy (Costello/Gilliard) when a leader is on the nose (Howard/Rudd).

Costello was a dill. Gillard not so.

Costello never had the numbers.

 

[morgoth]

Huh
Lets see if the Mining industry agrees with my opinion or yours. The Australian public is not going to take too kindly to ads from them after their elected representatives asked them to cease pending more negotiation. Especially when they have pulled the ads themselves. I mean, who are the ads going to win over in that situation ?

Mate. I'm no fan of the Labor party.

Desperately wanted Rudd to remain as that was the Coalition's best chance of winning the next election.

Unfortunately I think its another 3 years in opposition now.

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Get real. Swan's budget is blown out of the water if there are meaningful changes to the RSPT so logically any changes will not be major or they get attacked over fiscal responsibility.

The mining industry has to keep the pressure up to ensure any changes are major. I could not give a stuff about what she says, when the changes are tabled, the mining industry can make a call then. Until then, its game on.

 

[kimp]

Re moving to the Lodge: "I am more than happy with my home in Altona and my flat in Canberra and don't feel the need to change that until I fulsomely earn the trust of the Australian public".

Abbott can't beat her. He won't even get close.

Agreed. If people don't understand how much she will resonate with the swinging vote then they don't understand how our voting public appears to work.

 

[Daytripper]

Are you deliberately being dim???

The govt has asked them to stop ads before - because they work.

Take the TAX off the table and start negotiations from scratch. They will stop campaigning.

But removing ads, leaving the tax in the budget numbers and stopping some ads is meaningless. It's politics and words....

If they run the ads now who exactly are they trying to get on side ?

Its going to be the ambivalent voter and he or she will not take kindly to seeing ads that the new PM has asked to cease because the new broom wants to re-negotiate.

Do you honestly think they will continue with the ads and ignore the plea from Gillard ?

 

[Z_K]

But removing ads, leaving the tax in the budget numbers and stopping some ads is meaningless. It's politics and words....

And it will work.

 

[Eagle87]

Agreed. If people don't understand how much she will resonate with the swinging vote then they don't understand how our voting public appears to work.

So swinging voters like meaningless rhetoric? You may be right, just strengthens a view that people get the govt they deserve.

 

[kimp]

So swinging voters like meaningless rhetoric? You may be right, just strengthens a view that people get the govt they deserve.

No those voters like people 'like them'. She's re-structuring the government message which was the major failure of Rudd's government.

She keeps the message very simple and personal. Something Rudd couldn't do.

 

[Z_K]

A Norf supporter from Geelong likes a western suburbs bogan. Wow. News at 11.

Geez, you're a special type of w***er aren't ya?

 

[Daytripper]

Are you deliberately being dim???

The govt has asked them to stop ads before - because they work.

Take the TAX off the table and start negotiations from scratch. They will stop campaigning.

But removing ads, leaving the tax in the budget numbers and stopping some ads is meaningless. It's politics and words....

Laurie Oakes agrees with me by the way FWIW.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

she was incredibly impressive. Abbott must be shitting his speedo's, seriously.

Morgoth, I can't believe you are serious... If the mining industry increase or even continue advertising in the face of the Prime Ministerial request for negotiation in good faith, and the removal of government advertising, it will have a considerable negative impact. The mining industry want negotiation, well, now they have it.

I would have thought you would understand the mechanics of negotiation a little more clearly

 

[Eagle87]

If they run the ads now who exactly are they trying to get on side ?

Its going to be the ambivalent voter and he or she will not take kindly to seeing ads that the new PM has asked to cease because the new broom wants to re-negotiate.

Do you honestly think they will continue with the ads and ignore the plea from Gillard ?

They should simply change the focus of the ads.

The reality remains that the tax, as originally proposed, remains in budget numbers. You can't "negotiate" a fait accompli ....

Announce that they want a resource rent tax, announce that the current one is a starting point but everything is up for negotiation ....

Remove the tax numbers from the Budget.

Otherwise nothing has changed and the miners going quiet won't help them, as they will get reamed by the government.

She is a left wing politician beholden to unions/factions... great outcome for business!

 

[camsmith]

she was incredibly impressive. Abbott must be shitting his speedo's, seriously.

Abbott has a press conference at 1:10pm.

Graham Richardson, Negus, Laurie Oakes, Beattie plus the hosts of morning shows.. painful to listen to. Hate to think who ABC have wheeled out.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Her ego rivals Robert Mugabe to be honest. Ive never seen a politician love themself this much. Surely all of this is someone having a lend on? They arnt this much of a rabble are they?

Obviously you were out of the country when Costello was Treasurer.
Or turn off your TV when Hockey appears.

As for rabble, try > Abbott, Hockey & Bishop ......ha ! At least another 3 years in opposition.

 

[Daytripper]

They should simply change the focus of the ads.

The reality remains that the tax, as originally proposed, remains in budget numbers. You can't "negotiate" a fait accompli ....

Announce that they want a resource rent tax, announce that the current one is a starting point but everything is up for negotiation ....

Remove the tax numbers from the Budget.

Otherwise nothing has changed and the miners going quiet won't help them, as they will get reamed by the government.

She is a left wing politician beholden to unions/factions... great outcome for business!

Well it certainly won't help right now to get potential voters off side. This is one time where they do remain quiet publicly.

Plenty of time for ads during the election campaign.

 

[Eagle87]

she was incredibly impressive. Abbott must be shitting his speedo's, seriously.

Morgoth, I can't believe you are serious... If the mining industry increase or even continue advertising in the face of the Prime Ministerial request for negotiation in good faith, and the removal of government advertising, it will have a considerable negative impact. The mining industry want negotiation, well, now they have it.

I would have thought you would understand the mechanics of negotiation a little more clearly

Negotiation of what exactly????

The tax is still in the budget numbers.

She wouldn't commit to anything except the Rudd rhetoric (our mineral resources, fair share, they can afford to pay more tax etc) but she added " " " "negotiation", instead of consultation .. What's the difference in substance if the basic requirements are all the same?

 

[Dean3]

How much botox does she have in her face? No wrinkes and it does not move, not even her lower lip.

Fantastic political analysis.

 

[Eagle87]

No those voters like people 'like them'. She's re-structuring the government message which was the major failure of Rudd's government.

She keeps the message very simple and personal. Something Rudd couldn't do.

So substance isn't important, it's all about getting the right message out and staying on message??

A great system

 

[morgoth]

she was incredibly impressive. Abbott must be shitting his speedo's, seriously.

Morgoth, I can't believe you are serious... If the mining industry increase or even continue advertising in the face of the Prime Ministerial request for negotiation in good faith, and the removal of government advertising, it will have a considerable negative impact. The mining industry want negotiation, well, now they have it.

I would have thought you would understand the mechanics of negotiation a little more clearly

Never give a sucker an even break. The Govt ads were awful and were costing them votes, the mining industries were effective and hitting home. Gillard needs an out more than them, apply the pressure until she takes it off the table and agrees to start from scratch.

The mining industry did not start this, the ALP did.

Also they should demand Ken the wombat gets sacked also.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Negotiation of what exactly????

The tax is still in the budget numbers.

She wouldn't commit to anything except the Rudd rhetoric (our mineral resources, fair share, they can afford to pay more tax etc) but she added " " " "negotiation", instead of consultation .. What's the difference in substance if the basic requirements are all the same?

she's been PM for precisely 56 minutes. What exactly would you expect her to commit to?

 

[Eagle87]

Laurie Oakes agrees with me by the way FWIW.

It's not worth much.

 

[kimp]

So substance isn't important, it's all about getting the right message out and staying on message??

A great system

Thank the media for that.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Never give a sucker an even break. The Govt ads were awful and were costing them votes, the mining industries were effective and hitting home. Gillard needs an out more than them, apply the pressure until she takes it off the table and agrees to start from scratch.

The mining industry did not start this, the ALP did.

Also they should demand Ken the wombat gets sacked also.

if they were to do as you suggest, they would be shooting themselves in the foot. Gillard is very smart with this manouevre. They would be the suckers.

 

[Eagle87]

she's been PM for precisely 56 minutes. What exactly would you expect her to commit to?

Surely you aren't serious?

She wants the mining companies to stop an active campaign, that's working, based on nothing except the removal of embarrassing govt ads and a word change.

Why should they?

 

[Eagle87]

Thank the media for that.

Not really.

It's flogs who vote on such flimsy basis that are to blame.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Surely you aren't serious?

She wants the mining companies to stop an active campaign, that's working, based on nothing except the removal of embarrassing govt ads and a word change.

Why should they?

you should brush up on negotiation & how it's conducted. The mining company don't want a fight for a fights sake. They want the best outcome.

They aren't simply fanboi's like some on here...

Again, how you expect her to make ironclad commitments in her first pressy amuses me greatly