Gillard to introduce CPRS if re-elected

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Some will cheer, and some will be gnashing their teeth, but she has confirmed she will have one should she win on Saturday.

http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...on-price-promise/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000

Leaving aside whether a carbon price is good idea, didn't she say she will form her "citizens assembly", and then look at introducing a CPRS after 3 years? Now, I'm bad at Maths, but wouldn't that mean she stated she wouldn't introduce one in the next parliament?

Looking at it from a political angle, I think she would have been smarter just to say she will introduce one in the next parliament and forget about her stupid citizens assembly.
 

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Looking at it from a political angle, I think she would have been smarter just to say she will introduce one in the next parliament and forget about her stupid citizens assembly.
If I had to nominate one of the worst gillard announcements it would be this citizens assembly. Lucky for her it was early on, and has largely blown over.
 

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If I had to nominate one of the worst gillard announcements it would be this citizens assembly. Lucky for her it was early on, and has largely blown over.
Yeah it was a comical move. No doubt. Am I the only one who is sure Gillard said she wouldn't have one this term? I know there's lots of people who will cheer a CPRS. But there must be many traditional Labor voters whose jobs could be affected by this (such as manufacturing that relies on the mining sector for example). Just seems to be biting the hand that feeds you in the case of voters like that.
 

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I'm interested to know how she can claim she has a "mandate" for something she hasn't mentioned for 5 weeks, and waited until 36 hours prior to the election to mention.

Particularly given she was campaigning on the aforementioned "citizen's assembly" solely and has not campaigned on re-introducing carbon tax legislation.


She is just preparing the way for having to negotiate with the Member for Melbourne to get passage of legislation in the lower house.
 

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I'm interested to know how she can claim she has a "mandate" for something she hasn't mentioned for 5 weeks, and waited until 36 hours prior to the election to mention.

Particularly given she was campaigning on the aforementioned "citizen's assembly" solely and has not campaigned on re-introducing carbon tax legislation.


She is just preparing the way for having to negotiate with the Member for Melbourne to get passage of legislation in the lower house.
I was thinking the same way as you. It's sneaky politics. It hasn't been part of the election campaign since she first raised the idea of her stupid assembly. How can she possibly claim she will have a mandate? They had a mandate to remove WorkChoices. They had a mandate to say sorry to our Indigenous people. There's no way in hell she has a mandate to introduce a CPRS in this term when she put the issue to one side.
 

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The previous Govt. (Rudd) errored because of policy on the run.

Julia said she learnt from her mistakes.

East Timor ... policy on the run and no consultation.
Mining Tax ... policy on the run and no modelling.
CPRS .... policy is still running

Exactly what has she learnt again?

If people fall for this dupe, god help them.
 

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There's no way in hell she has a mandate to introduce a CPRS in this term when she put the issue to one side.
Given the other comments about it not taking effect during the current electoral cycle, the cynic in me does wonder if this is about how much she is going to have to give BB and his lunatic colleagues once the new houses are both sitting post July 1


If she's claiming she will re-introduce the policy, that makes dealing with them a hell of a lot simpler.
 

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The previous Govt. (Rudd) errored because of policy on the run.

Julia said she learnt from her mistakes.

East Timor ... policy on the run and no consultation.
Mining Tax ... policy on the run and no modelling.
CPRS .... policy is still running

Exactly what has she learnt again?

If people fall for this dupe, god help them.
Someone wisely said we get the government we deserve. It's not even about policy on the run. It's the fact the issue was put to one side and at the last minute she says only hours before election day that we will get one under her government in her first term.

Aren't elections about judging each party on their merits and plans? She hasn't given the Australian people that opportunity here. She should have just laid her cards on the table. Instead, she has tried to steal some chips while you weren't looking.
 

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Given the other comments about it not taking effect during the current electoral cycle, the cynic in me does wonder if this is about how much she is going to have to give BB and his lunatic colleagues once the new houses are both sitting post July 1


If she's claiming she will re-introduce the policy, that makes dealing with them a hell of a lot simpler.
Hasn't she plainly lied? I thought not in this electoral cycle meant not in this electoral cycle. I would love the views of a Labor voter on this.
 

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The previous Govt. (Rudd) errored because of policy on the run.

Julia said she learnt from her mistakes.

East Timor ... policy on the run and no consultation.
Mining Tax ... policy on the run and no modelling.
CPRS .... policy is still running

Exactly what has she learnt again?

If people fall for this dupe, god help them.
And yet its Abbott whose nickname is "weathervane"
 

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I'm interested to know how she can claim she has a "mandate" for something she hasn't mentioned for 5 weeks, and waited until 36 hours prior to the election to mention.

Particularly given she was campaigning on the aforementioned "citizen's assembly" solely and has not campaigned on re-introducing carbon tax legislation.


She is just preparing the way for having to negotiate with the Member for Melbourne to get passage of legislation in the lower house.
err a mandate is delivered on polling day not in an election campaign
 

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err a mandate is delivered on polling day not in an election campaign
Yes but you achieve a mandate based on what you've outlined in an election campaign. Considering she put the issue to bed (only to bring it out just before election day) would say to me she has no mandate to introduce a CPRS in her first term.
 

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It's bullshit. a shallow and transparent attempt to win back the primary vote away from the Greens to Labor.
Agreed. If there is one thing I hate is policy being made on the run based on the latest opinion poll interpretation. Labor has spent much of the past 6 months in a reactive mood rather being pro-active and visionary. You lose credibility pretty bloody quickly when going down that route.
 

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Yes but you achieve a mandate based on what you've outlined in an election campaign. Considering she put the issue to bed (only to bring it out just before election day) would say to me she has no mandate to introduce a CPRS in her first term.
Was going to reply to Contra but this pretty much sums up my feelings.


You cannot sneakily throw in a quick reference to a policy 36 hours before the poll, when most people will not have had a chance to even hear the interview, then turn around and claim you have a mandate. Particularly given for 5 weeks people have specifically asked her about a CPRS time after time after time and she has avoided commiting to anything, only to sneak this statement last night.


On your question about lying? Well I don't think she is, her statements were that she would introduce the legislation during the current (post tomorrow) parliment, and it may not even have been her who said it wouldn't take effect until 2013. No lie at all, my issue is solely around the word 'mandate' which she simply will not have on this topic.
 

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I'm confused, the CPRS is what was rejected by the senate previously, no?

If yes, does this imply the Greens will pass it now or that it will it be used as a DD trigger...
 

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I'm confused, the CPRS is what was rejected by the senate previously, no?

If yes, does this imply the Greens will pass it now or that it will it be used as a DD trigger...

To many variables to know how it will pan out, but Gillard could be relying on either the greens to come though, or for a more moderate lib opposition led by hockey or turnbull.
 

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Was going to reply to Contra but this pretty much sums up my feelings.


You cannot sneakily throw in a quick reference to a policy 36 hours before the poll, when most people will not have had a chance to even hear the interview, then turn around and claim you have a mandate. Particularly given for 5 weeks people have specifically asked her about a CPRS time after time after time and she has avoided commiting to anything, only to sneak this statement last night.


On your question about lying? Well I don't think she is, her statements were that she would introduce the legislation during the current (post tomorrow) parliment, and it may not even have been her who said it wouldn't take effect until 2013. No lie at all, my issue is solely around the word 'mandate' which she simply will not have on this topic.
Perhaps I went too far calling her a liar. But she's certainly said this at the last minute hoping to avoid any scrutiny. How can she claim she will have a mandate with a straight face? She must know there are lots of 'Howard's battlers' who think of higher prices for everything when they hear CPRS?
 

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And yet its Abbott whose nickname is "weathervane"
You mean by Greens and Labor supporters ?

Doesn't carry much weight then.

One have no sense of accountability and other have no idea what impact their policies will have on our nation. Actually, their both pretty much the same thing.
 

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Was going to reply to Contra but this pretty much sums up my feelings.


You cannot sneakily throw in a quick reference to a policy 36 hours before the poll, when most people will not have had a chance to even hear the interview, then turn around and claim you have a mandate. Particularly given for 5 weeks people have specifically asked her about a CPRS time after time after time and she has avoided commiting to anything, only to sneak this statement last night.


On your question about lying? Well I don't think she is, her statements were that she would introduce the legislation during the current (post tomorrow) parliment, and it may not even have been her who said it wouldn't take effect until 2013. No lie at all, my issue is solely around the word 'mandate' which she simply will not have on this topic.
I accept totally what you guys are saying. I always thought mandate politics is bullshit anyway..unless you have a comprehensive policy platform like Hewson's fightback.

It smacks of desperation to me - like every other thing Labor has done during this campaign. WTF do they stand for?
 

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I accept totally what you guys are saying. I always thought mandate politics is bullshit anyway..unless you have a comprehensive policy platform like Hewson's fightback.

It smacks of desperation to me - like every other thing Labor has done during this campaign. WTF do they stand for?
Besides staying in power? Beats me.
 

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I accept totally what you guys are saying. I always thought mandate politics is bullshit anyway..unless you have a comprehensive policy platform like Hewson's fightback.

It smacks of desperation to me - like every other thing Labor has done during this campaign. WTF do they stand for?

Yeah, absoloutely agree mate. No diff to when Howard claim he had a mandate for and put through his GST based on winning more seats, yet he had less of the vote. How the hell that equates to a mandate I'll never understand lol I agree he had the right to put through the policy, but let's not bullshit and say the electorate gave him a mandate lol


If Julia had mentioned the CPRS concept in any one of the numerous occaisions she's been asked the question, i'd have no issue with her using the word when she wins.


I think we're being a bit harsh on Labor there though with the final statement, has been the worst campaign in history, with each trying hard to outdo each other in the do nothing stakes lol
 

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