Gillard's AWU/Wilson past about to haunt her?

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Only 21% of the electorate believe Gillard has been completely honest. That's 79% who think our Prime Minister has not been completely honest.
Ask the same question but remove Gillard's name and just say politicians and you'll find you get a very similar answer. Just because we are singleing out one individual in Canberra, doesn't mean that the electorate have more faith in anyone else.
 

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Ask the same question but remove Gillard's name and just say politicians and you'll find you get a very similar answer. Just because we are singleing out one individual in Canberra, doesn't mean that the electorate have more faith in anyone else.
I almost guarantee that News Ltd push poll from Galaxy will be the only poll you'll see in the aftermath of the smear that will suggest a positive out of this for the opposition. Just look at the latest Essential Report! I think its telling that neither Galaxy or News have actually released the full poll.
 

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Also, I guess it is quite common for $5,000 to be put in someone's account in $100 bills. That is just par for the course out there in the fantasy land thinking out the ABC/inner city cultural elites.
Your taking the word of a confessed criminal and alleged child rapist as gospel truth now,? My oh my! Stay classy, mate, stay classy...
 

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Only 21% of the electorate believe Gillard has been completely honest. That's 79% who think our Prime Minister has not been completely honest.
Even if that statement were actually true (which it isn't), would that be surprising given the media's attention to the opposition's crap?

Next we'll hear Gillard is a Muslim who wasn't even born in Australia and is ineligible to be PM...
 

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Your taking the word of a confessed criminal and alleged child rapist as gospel truth now,? My oh my! Stay classy, mate, stay classy...

Obviously you aren't reading up on it as often as me. I have read EVERY single article on it- except if it is written by sychophants such as Michelle Grattan.

Are you accusing Wayne Hem of being a "confessed criminal " or are you getting him mixed up with Blewitt?

$5,000 was deposited in cash into Gillard's account and it was Hem that signed a statutory declaration on it - not Blewitt. If the Crown Casino is your solution to this then so be it. I must move in different circles to you - as I have NEVER heard of anyone depositing $5000 in $100 bills into one's account until I read up on Gillard.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...to-julia-gillard/story-fng5kxvh-1226516225346
 

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PM: I don't comment on opinion polls, Paul. I’ve answered questions about this matter for the best part of 20 years. I’ve answered them in the Parliament this week and in other weeks. I’ve answered them publicly. I’ve told the truth about this matter, and I didn't do anything wrong.
So she completely ignored his question, yet again, and then claims to have answered 'all of the questions in Parliament this week,' - when she clearly went out of her way to not answer them in Parliament, instead, referencing her press conference; wonder why that is?

It's the Rudd thing all over again, she seriously appears to be a compulsive liar; you have to wonder whether she actually believes some of the things she says, or whether she knows full well that she's being less than honest.
 

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Obviously you aren't reading up on it as often as me. I have read EVERY single article on it- except if it is written by sychophants such as Michelle Grattan.

Are you accusing Wayne Hem of being a "confessed criminal " or are you getting him mixed up with Blewitt?

$5,000 was deposited in cash into Gillard's account and it was Hem that signed a statutory declaration on it - not Blewitt. If the Crown Casino is your solution to this then so be it. I must move in different circles to you - as I have NEVER heard of anyone depositing $5000 in $100 bills into one's account until I read up on Gillard.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...to-julia-gillard/story-fng5kxvh-1226516225346

Just like to point out that years ago when both myself & my fiance/partner were saving up for our wedding & a deposit for a home there were many times i deposited large amounts of money into her account maybe not as much as $5000 but there was one time when the amount did reach four figures, so it does happen probably more often than not.
 

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Obviously you aren't reading up on it as often as me. I have read EVERY single article on it- except if it is written by sychophants such as Michelle Grattan.

Are you accusing Wayne Hem of being a "confessed criminal " or are you getting him mixed up with Blewitt?

$5,000 was deposited in cash into Gillard's account and it was Hem that signed a statutory declaration on it - not Blewitt. If the Crown Casino is your solution to this then so be it. I must move in different circles to you - as I have NEVER heard of anyone depositing $5000 in $100 bills into one's account until I read up on Gillard.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...to-julia-gillard/story-fng5kxvh-1226516225346
I've deposited $5000 or more a number of times into other peoples accounts myself and there is nothing all that uncommon about it.
 

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Obviously you aren't reading up on it as often as me. I have read EVERY single article on it- except if it is written by sychophants such as Michelle Grattan.

Are you accusing Wayne Hem of being a "confessed criminal " or are you getting him mixed up with Blewitt?

$5,000 was deposited in cash into Gillard's account and it was Hem that signed a statutory declaration on it - not Blewitt. If the Crown Casino is your solution to this then so be it. I must move in different circles to you - as I have NEVER heard of anyone depositing $5000 in $100 bills into one's account until I read up on Gillard.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...to-julia-gillard/story-fng5kxvh-1226516225346
So you won't read the work of sycophants but you've read every word written by Bolt and Smith?

Anyone who enjoys a punt on the novelties at the nags (Trifectas, Quaddies) would be familiar with dividends in the thousands. I have walked out of the casino with a couple of grand more than I went in with in my pocket once or twice. It's not that unbelievable, whether you choose to accept it or not.
 

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So she completely ignored his question, yet again, and then claims to have answered 'all of the questions in Parliament this week,' - when she clearly went out of her way to not answer them in Parliament, instead, referencing her press conference; wonder why that is?

It's the Rudd thing all over again, she seriously appears to be a compulsive liar; you have to wonder whether she actually believes some of the things she says, or whether she knows full well that she's being less than honest.
Compulsive liar is right. How about her latest schtik on gold plating.
When I was active with the comrades I was quite shocked at first by their utterly shameless ability to lie to each other in internal elections or policy debates. Got used to it after awhile.:)
 

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Compulsive liar is right. How about her latest schtik on gold plating.
When I was active with the comrades I was quite shocked at first by their utterly shameless ability to lie to each other in internal elections or policy debates. Got used to it after awhile.:)
You didn't quite finish that sentence Jane :)
 

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So she completely ignored his question, yet again, and then claims to have answered 'all of the questions in Parliament this week,' - when she clearly went out of her way to not answer them in Parliament, instead, referencing her press conference; wonder why that is?

It's the Rudd thing all over again, she seriously appears to be a compulsive liar; you have to wonder whether she actually believes some of the things she says, or whether she knows full well that she's being less than honest.
The amazing thing is that people think this is somehow new or that she's worse than the vast majority of politicians.

Saying she answered every question isn't an outright lie since she did answer every question, often by referring to other times she'd answered them. She also stated in parliament that her statements at the press conferences were truthful so if that's not the case she would be misleading parliament. In fact in some instances (such as being asked whether she wrote to "vouch for" the association) she was incredibly careful not to outright lie. Sure she used weasel words and gave vague answers but that's what politicians do! Do I like it? Not really but I'm not going to run around pretending she's any worse than most other politicians.

For example before the last election Hockey stood up and insisted the coalition's costings were "an audit". Yet it turns out they'd specifically requested the company not do an audit. That's a flat out lie and not even bothering to be vague about it. Same with Abbott when he outright lied about his own slush fund (the one targeting Pauline Hanson) when asked about it by Tony Jones.

Politicians lie. It's what they do! Either accept that fact or, if you're going to be critical of them for it, at least be consistent with your criticisms. I accept that Gillard will stress points that make her look good and conveniently leave out parts that don't. I accept the exact same thing with Abbott and all other politicians.

I think expecting them to be completely open the entire time is extremely optimistic. I also think expecting one particular politician to be open and honest while not expecting another to be shows blatant double standards and biased thinking on the part of the person throwing around the accusations.
 

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Just like to point out that years ago when both myself & my fiance/partner were saving up for our wedding & a deposit for a home there were many times i deposited large amounts of money into her account maybe not as much as $5000 but there was one time when the amount did reach four figures, so it does happen probably more often than not.
Noddy - 5K 17 years ago is probably equiv of at least 10K to day. I was under the impression that Julia Gillard had a mind and a memory like a steel trap not - a simple minded dipsy.

btw - on the george pell thing - it was not catholicism I had in mind but the principle of defending the tribe against the indefensible:)
 

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So you won't read the work of sycophants but you've read every word written by Bolt and Smith?

Anyone who enjoys a punt on the novelties at the nags (Trifectas, Quaddies) would be familiar with dividends in the thousands. I have walked out of the casino with a couple of grand more than I went in with in my pocket once or twice. It's not that unbelievable, whether you choose to accept it or not.
So he's setup and account to effectively steal hundreds of thousands of dollars, yet we're meant to believe he had a big win at the Casino and the money came from there, instead of the illegaly obtained cash?

Pretty convenient.


Footy Smarts - I do think she is worse than most; especially at such a senior level. Part of the stupidity of her lying is that she does it about simple things, and threats the electorate with contempt.

The Rudd coup wouldn't have been such a big deal if she consistently lied about how it happened, and continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence that it didn't go down the way she tries to claim.

This is no different, again, it's likely she was just stupid/incompetent and not knowingly complicit in the fraud (although I'm not as sure of that as I was a few weeks ago) but her inability to give a straight answer, or even give an answer that is consistent with the facts and isn't contradicted by other parties or documentation is pretty hard to believe.

She must know that when she tells these lies, that other parties who don't like her (ie, Tanner, McKew etc) are likely to call her out on then.
 

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So you won't read the work of sycophants but you've read every word written by Bolt and Smith?
Yep, I want the journalists I read to be journalists and not public relations consultants. Bolt, Smith and others are journalists. Lenore Taylor and Michelle Grattan are nothing but public relations consultants for the Labor Party. I want whatever party is in power to be held to account by the free media. Watergate- loved it. It proved that the media and free media could take on powerful interests. This is our Watergate-but only if there are people with courage willing to come forward. We will wait and see. You might have your wish and maybe it will be covered up. There has certainly been a lot of "missing documents" to date.
 

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Compulsive liar is right. How about her latest schtik on gold plating.
When I was active with the comrades I was quite shocked at first by their utterly shameless ability to lie to each other in internal elections or policy debates. Got used to it after awhile.:)
Classic concern troll :thumbsu:
 

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Yep, I want the journalists I read to be journalists and not public relations consultants. Bolt, Smith and others are journalists. Lenore Taylor and Michelle Grattan are nothing but public relations consultants for the Labor Party. I want whatever party is in power to be held to account by the free media. Watergate- loved it. It proved that the media and free media could take on powerful interests. This is our Watergate-but only if there are people with courage willing to come forward. We will wait and see. You might have your wish and maybe it will be covered up. There has certainly been a lot of "missing documents" to date.
Erm.... journalists? You're reading blogs by opinionists.

I'm not wishing for anything. I'd just like to see some evidence. I'm not sure that "missing documents" amounts to much when they are c.20 years old. I don't retain too many records from the mid-90s, and there is no statutory requirement for anyone else to. It's not screaming conspiracy to me.
 

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So he's setup and account to effectively steal hundreds of thousands of dollars, yet we're meant to believe he had a big win at the Casino and the money came from there, instead of the illegaly obtained cash?

Pretty convenient.
Compelling case. Should stand up in court.
 

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So he's setup and account to effectively steal hundreds of thousands of dollars, yet we're meant to believe he had a big win at the Casino and the money came from there, instead of the illegaly obtained cash?

Pretty convenient.


Footy Smarts - I do think she is worse than most; especially at such a senior level. Part of the stupidity of her lying is that she does it about simple things, and threats the electorate with contempt.

The Rudd coup wouldn't have been such a big deal if she consistently lied about how it happened, and continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence that it didn't go down the way she tries to claim.

This is no different, again, it's likely she was just stupid/incompetent and not knowingly complicit in the fraud (although I'm not as sure of that as I was a few weeks ago) but her inability to give a straight answer, or even give an answer that is consistent with the facts and isn't contradicted by other parties or documentation is pretty hard to believe.

She must know that when she tells these lies, that other parties who don't like her (ie, Tanner, McKew etc) are likely to call her out on then.
And I have to agree with you again, KE. It was inconceivable to me that JG would have personally benefited from the scam, but now am towards the view that she might have considered it "bosses money" ie fair game. All because of her attitude since.

She's never once expressed any criticism of the use Wilson made of the association, which also leads me to the view that the reason she dumped him was because he had become a political liability to her not because she had an adverse view of his actions.
 

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Mentioning the Rudd coup I find it perfectly believable she wasnt in any hurry to take over. Shes smart enough to know she wasnt ready, and the electorate/media wasnt quite ready to embrace a woman PM - hindsight has borne this out perfectly.
What I'm saying is she would have forcast many of the issues she has had, not that it made them work out any better for her
Its probable she was given the "This is your one chance , don't come back later" ultimatum by the plotters

You can see the exact same issues when Elizabeth I was made monarch and all the barons etc assumed she would just choose a husband and he would take over. Elizabeth also took some time to grow into the role. Thats why it made me chuckle when she(gillard) was cartooned as Elizabeth I
 

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Mentioning the Rudd cup I find it perfectly believable she wasnt in any hurry to take over. Shes smart enough to know she wasnt ready, and the electorate/media wasnt quite ready to embrace a woman PM - hindsight has borne this out perfectly.
Its probable she was given the "This is your one chance , don't come back later" ultimatum by the plotters
And this is what people don't get. She didn't choose that timing - it was forced upon her.
 

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Mentioning the Rudd coup I find it perfectly believable she wasnt in any hurry to take over. Shes smart enough to know she wasnt ready, and the electorate/media wasnt quite ready to embrace a woman PM - hindsight has borne this out perfectly.
What I'm saying is she would have forcast many of the issues she has had, not that it made them work out any better for her
Its probable she was given the "This is your one chance , don't come back later" ultimatum by the plotters
Nah ... if I'd worked out at the beginning of month that Rudd would be gone by June 24, she would have known Pess:)

Was just too pat - the day before when she manufactured that "outrage" that Rudd's COS had been ringing around checking the numbers. Anyway, subsequent events have revealed the real Julia.
 

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Compelling case. Should stand up in court.
As likely to as their story would.

And this is what people don't get. She didn't choose that timing - it was forced upon her
??

A number of those involved have now stated that she was actively canvassing support for a tilt at the PM position up to a month before the trigger was pulled.
 

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Footy Smarts - I do think she is worse than most; especially at such a senior level. Part of the stupidity of her lying is that she does it about simple things, and threats the electorate with contempt.

The Rudd coup wouldn't have been such a big deal if she consistently lied about how it happened, and continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence that it didn't go down the way she tries to claim.

This is no different, again, it's likely she was just stupid/incompetent and not knowingly complicit in the fraud (although I'm not as sure of that as I was a few weeks ago) but her inability to give a straight answer, or even give an answer that is consistent with the facts and isn't contradicted by other parties or documentation is pretty hard to believe.

She must know that when she tells these lies, that other parties who don't like her (ie, Tanner, McKew etc) are likely to call her out on then.
A few of points.

1) Again you could say the same about most politicians. Why did Abbott lie about his slush fund when the facts were so easy to ascertain? It's the same reason every politician does it. They're short-sighted and don't see the obvious future ramifications.

2) How did the Rudd coup go down differently to the way she said? There's no doubt that she wasn't the main instigator and the chief operators were worried that she wasn't willing to be part of the coup. Did she literally decide that night like she claims? Maybe not but she definitely wasn't the one ringing around and stirring everything up. Her main problem was that afterwards she tried to be too generous to Rudd and hence didn't tell the public why he'd been replaced (ie he was an egomaniac that was impossible to work with. Also the fact he was hated throughout the party from day 1).

3) How have her answers been contradicted by "the facts and...other parties" in the AWU matter? She was careful what she said and didn't admit to stuff people didn't have evidence for (her letter "vouching" for the association for example) but keeping something secret isn't lying directly. Apart from of course Ralph Blewitt (and I'm not one that likes shooting the messenger but seriously are we believing him?) who else has contradicted her version of events?
 
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