Gillard's AWU/Wilson past about to haunt her?

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As I've said before. "It's the cover-up"
There's no cover-up, there's only clutching a straws by a few (now discreditied) columnists. They are reduced to constructing hypothetical scenarios and asking if this is what happened then was an offence committed. Of course there is no evidence to back up any of the hypotheticals, and what evidence there is indicates the exact opposite.
 

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There's no cover-up, there's only clutching a straws by a few (now discreditied) columnists. They are reduced to constructing hypothetical scenarios and asking if this is what happened then was an offence committed. Of course there is no evidence to back up any of the hypotheticals, and what evidence there is indicates the exact opposite.
Who stole/destroyed the files?
 

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Who stole/destroyed the files?
(Psst: I have a/v of a spunky red headed chick with an outlandish nasal twang sneaking about with a box of matches and a whole lot of 20 year old papers. Wanna buy? Good price. Barely played. Throw in brunch scene with Bill and Nicola. Huge discount. Be quick for Xmas.)
 

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(Psst: I have a/v of a spunky red headed chick with an outlandish nasal twang sneaking about with a box of matches and a whole lot of 20 year old papers. Wanna buy? Good price. Barely played. Throw in brunch scene with Bill and Nicola. Huge discount. Be quick for Xmas.)
Is it a porno?
 

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Are you referring to 20yr old files? In an industry where 7yrs is a recommended period of file retention?

Hmmm, I wonder what might have happened to them...

You've got lots of excuses/red herrings/distractions from corruption.

But ask yourself one question- do you approve of corruption?

If you don't then how on earth can you continue to support the Labor Party as it presently stands. Obviously corruption (Whether it be Gillard, Thomson, Obeid, Williamson, Roxon or any of the other ones) is not important to you. When you go to vote next year - I hope you think about that just before you tick the Labor Party. You are voting FOR corruption when you fill in that form.


That would weigh on my conscience, but obviously not on yours. I suggest you read Animal Farm - you will see where blind loyalty for a cause will lead you and Orwell was a true socialist-not a blind idiot like TS Elliott and the other socialists. He had both eyes open.
 

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You've got lots of excuses/red herrings/distractions from corruption.

But ask yourself one question- do you approve of corruption?

If you don't then how on earth can you continue to support the Labor Party as it presently stands. Obviously corruption is not important to you. When you go to vote next year - I hope you think about that just before you tick the Labor Party. You are voting FOR corruption when you fill in that form.


That would weigh on my conscience, but obviously not on yours. I suggest you read Animal Farm - you will see where blind loyalty for a cause will lead you and Orwell was a true socialist-not a blind idiot like TS Elliott and the other socialists. He had both eyes open.
As a beacon of light and truth, harmesy, what do you think of Abbott's slush fund? http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/tony-abbott-and-his-slushy-question-of-character/
Or Abbott's possible involvement with the Slipper fraud?
http://www.independentaustralia.net...-in-ashby-conspiracy-by-10-hours-of-bullshit/
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/overlooking-australias-watergate/
Or the definite involvement of the Coalition with the Slipper fraud?

As a bastion of anti-corruption, I assume you will be voting Independent or Greens?

Ask yourself one question, "do you approve of corruption?"?
 

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You've got lots of excuses/red herrings/distractions from corruption.

But ask yourself one question- do you approve of corruption?

If you don't then how on earth can you continue to support the Labor Party as it presently stands. Obviously corruption (Whether it be Gillard, Thomson, Obeid, Williamson, Roxon or any of the other ones) is not important to you. When you go to vote next year - I hope you think about that just before you tick the Labor Party. You are voting FOR corruption when you fill in that form.


That would weigh on my conscience, but obviously not on yours. I suggest you read Animal Farm - you will see where blind loyalty for a cause will lead you and Orwell was a true socialist-not a blind idiot like TS Elliott and the other socialists. He had both eyes open.
Do you need a soapbox?

Why do you assume others are not as "well read" as you? Animal Farm is a nice book. I enjoyed it when I was 10 and again in high school. As political statements go it will always be relevant, it matters not which side of politics covets power. Per the post below yours, no-one is infallible and nothing is incorruptible. Do you honestly think big business has never lined the pockets of a pollie (of either persuasion)?

This thread is about our PM's alleged involvement in Wilson and Blewitt's activities. Once again, it's got nothing to do with Thomson, Williamson, Obeid, etc. If you want to ask me about them start another thread.

As for red herrings... simple facts are not red herrings. You cannot form a conspiracy theory when what is presumed to have occurred is consistent with industry standards. It's not evidence of some dastardly misdeed. Occam's razor...
 

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Further information in The Australian as to why Wilson and Blewitt were never charged.

Joe Trio was the former senior executive at Thiess who authorised the payments of $300,000 that ended up in the AWU Workplace Reform Association. He refused to press charges even when requested to by the West Australian Fraud Squad and the AWU.

Joe Trio is married to Bruce Wilson's sister.

Like Gillard, who was also in a close relationship with Wilson, he denies knowledge of what the association was going to be used for and denies receiving any benefit.

www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/we-put-300000-in-awu-slush-fund-says-bruce-wilsons-brother-in-law-joe-trio/story-fng5kxvh-1226542152787

(The full article is subscription restricted but Google the headline of the article and you will be able to read it)
 

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Further information in The Australian as to why Wilson and Blewitt were never charged.

Joe Trio was the former senior executive at Thiess who authorised the payments of $300,000 that ended up in the AWU Workplace Reform Association. He refused to press charges even when requested to by the West Australian Fraud Squad and the AWU.

Joe Trio is married to Bruce Wilson's sister.

Like Gillard, who was also in a close relationship with Wilson, he denies knowledge of what the association was going to be used for and denies receiving any benefit.

www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/we-put-300000-in-awu-slush-fund-says-bruce-wilsons-brother-in-law-joe-trio/story-fng5kxvh-1226542152787

(The full article is subscription restricted but Google the headline of the article and you will be able to read it)
& this relates to Gillard how?
 

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God, in his wisdom, did it to prevent Abbott the pretender from ascending to the throne of Australia....that or they just got chucked out as old paperwork does, or they never existed in the first place.;)
We know three documents existed, and someone has removed them.
 

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& this relates to Gillard how?
The first point I would make is that some people still question whether any fraudulent activity took place in this affair. If there was no fraud then Gillard would not be under scrutiny for her role in what transpired. However, it is clear that the West Australian fraud squad believed a crime had occurred.

The other point I would make is that where a fraud has occurred, and the people who took action to facilitate that fraud are in a close relationship with the beneficiaries of the fraud, then this is circumstantial evidence that a conspiracy to defraud might have occurred amongst those in the close relationships.

Other circumstantial evidence might be to refuse to press charges against the beneficiaries of the fraud. Or, if you were a solicitor, to hide the legal work you did on behalf of the beneficiaries of the fraud from your employer and the clients who were being defrauded.

Joe Trio, brother in law of Bruce Wilson, and Julia Gillard, Bruce Wilson's ex lover, both deny knowledge of what the AWU Workplace Reform Association was going to be used for and deny receiving any benefit.
 

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I just love how the outrage brigade haven't said a ******* peep about Justice Rare's findings of a conspiracy by the LNP to pervert the democratic processes of this country yet are still obsessing about a non-story from twenty years ago. Just highlights your real motivations, you couldn't give two shits about ethics or the law, you just want to see a government overturned because you're still bitch-hurting because your side lost an election. it's pathetic.

/spits on the ground
 

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The first point I would make is that some people still question whether any fraudulent activity took place in this affair. If there was no fraud then Gillard would not be under scrutiny for her role in what transpired. However, it is clear that the West Australian fraud squad believed a crime had occurred.

The other point I would make is that where a fraud has occurred, and the people who took action to facilitate that fraud are in a close relationship with the beneficiaries of the fraud, then this is circumstantial evidence that a conspiracy to defraud might have occurred amongst those in the close relationships.

Other circumstantial evidence might be to refuse to press charges against the beneficiaries of the fraud. Or, if you were a solicitor, to hide the legal work you did on behalf of the beneficiaries of the fraud from your employer and the clients who were being defrauded.

Joe Trio, brother in law of Bruce Wilson, and Julia Gillard, Bruce Wilson's ex lover, both deny knowledge of what the AWU Workplace Reform Association was going to be used for and deny receiving any benefit.
I was always under the impression the WA Fraud Squad job was manufacture and take part in fraud? That is certainly the impression ones gets from their actions.;)
 
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