Gillard's AWU/Wilson past about to haunt her?

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Haha so much great reading on these boards. So many hypocrites making accusations of hypocrisy. Did someone mention #ironing?

Oh, and any day now! 20+ years and counting.

Has the statute of limitations expired for that wall that Tone punched to press charges? #flogpunch
 

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Not really. I can only imagine Tim Blair and Andrew Bolt's outrage had she criticised them.

She's being held to the standards of the perpetually hysterical and outraged right wing commentariat.
She had the opportunity to back up her words with actions and she squibbed it.

I'm not expecting her to lead a moral crusade, in fact I don't expect anything from her. But I would have thought we would have heard more then "yeah, nah" in response to a question about female representation in Middle East politics.

It's not as she sidestepped all contentious issues. Iran, Saudi-US relationship, Syria, even Israel got a run.
 

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She had the opportunity to back up her words with actions and she squibbed it.

I'm not expecting her to lead a moral crusade, in fact I don't expect anything from her. But I would have thought we would have heard more then "yeah, nah" in response to a question about female representation in Middle East politics.

It's not as she sidestepped all contentious issues. Iran, Saudi-US relationship, Syria, even Israel got a run.
What exactly were her opinions on these contentious issues?

Let's suppose she followed up her words with actions in UAE? What do you think Blair and Bolt would have said? And their acolytes Pottsie and Lester regurgitated?
 

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Is the absence of female politicians in the UAE evidence of misogyny?

Perhaps their social structure is different to ours, and it was politically prudent of JG to avoid passing comment.
 
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Is the absence of female politicians in the UAE evidence of misogyny?
Gillard use of the word redefined it.

Ms Gillard made headlines around the world last week after she used a 15-minute speech in Parliament to accuse Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of being a misogynist.​
The current edition of the dictionary defines misogyny as "hatred of women".​
But the dictionary's editor, Sue Butler, says the definition will now be broadened to include "entrenched prejudice against women".​

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-17/misogyny-redefined-after-gillard-speech/4317468
 

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I don't get this thread still being open.

She's an ex parliamentarian-people still getting worked up over this is stupid.

Its like people still getting worked up over comments by Wilson Tuckey.
Because she is a sheila and was our PM and certain portion of our population, even though she is now out of government, still haven't quite got their heads around that.
 

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When are the topics of US and Israel not contentious in that part of the world?
I never said they weren't contentious. The issue is whether she expressed opinions that were inflammatory to her hosts. Did she?

Now consider the women's rights issues. What exactly should she have said? Followed up her statements made in Australia? Contradicted what she had said in Australia so as to appease her guests? Or withheld her remarks?
 

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Gillard use of the word redefined it.

Ms Gillard made headlines around the world last week after she used a 15-minute speech in Parliament to accuse Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of being a misogynist.​
The current edition of the dictionary defines misogyny as "hatred of women".​
But the dictionary's editor, Sue Butler, says the definition will now be broadened to include "entrenched prejudice against women".​

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-17/misogyny-redefined-after-gillard-speech/4317468
So is there a feminist movement in the UAE that JG was supposed to speak out on behalf of? Or should she simply court controversy and offend others for the sake of it?

I thought Tone was doing a good enough job of that without her help.
 

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I never said they weren't contentious. The issue is whether she expressed opinions that were inflammatory to her hosts. Did she?
No, because the "Emirates Center for Strategic Studies and Research" seem to be a pretty progressive bunch of people concerned with a wide range of issues, including the role of women in politics and women in society.

Now consider the women's rights issues. What exactly should she have said? Followed up her statements made in Australia? Contradicted what she had said in Australia so as to appease her guests? Or withheld her remarks?
"Indeed, we need to strive for a time when it is so usual for women to be in parliament that no one feels the need to comment on it. Much more needs to be done to ensure women and men are equally represented in our parliaments."

She's said that in the past.

But it's no surprise that she said nothing. I felt that much of that "calling out sexism/blue tie" stuff was politically motivated, cooked up by the likes of flogs like McTernan. Good luck to her in that regard, politics is politics, kill or be killed, use whatever you can get your hands on to make your point. But it will probably break the hearts of the mummy bloggers and the twitterati that she wasn't really totally into all that sisterhood solidarity, it was primarily a means to an end, but thanks for your support anyway.
 

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So is there a feminist movement in the UAE that JG was supposed to speak out on behalf of? Or should she simply court controversy and offend others for the sake of it?

I thought Tone was doing a good enough job of that without her help.
No, just shows she wasn't really interested anyway, her outburst was a political stunt more than anything else.
 

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No, just shows she wasn't really interested anyway, her outburst was a political stunt more than anything else.
No it doesn't. As an Australian she is entitled to comment on the role of gender in politics in Australia. As our PM some would argue she was eminently qualified. Why should she be expected to comment on the role of gender in politics in the UAE?

Or let's put it another way... what are the collective's views on the role of gender in politics in the UAE? Are you all well read up on it?
 

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So her Misogyny Speech was a pile of crap? Remember she was going to call it out whenever she came across it, no exceptions. Not even you can deny that.
Australia’s first female prime minister, who ended her term last June, was giving a lecture on the road map for future cooperation between the UAE and Australia.

Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/uae/government/former-australian-pm-julia-gillard-wants-a-free-trade-agreement-with-gcc#ixzz2rsGNpdWq
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She should have been prepared to answer questions about gender in politics right? I'm sure she'd prepared specifically for that question while pulling together her lecture.
 
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So is there a feminist movement in the UAE that JG was supposed to speak out on behalf of? Or should she simply court controversy and offend others for the sake of it?

You asked 'Is the absence of female politicians in the UAE evidence of misogyny'? The answer is yes. If a man looking at his watch while a female is talking is reason for outraged claims of misogyny then institutional prejudice against women should trigger a meltdown by Gillard.
 

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You asked 'Is the absence of female politicians in the UAE evidence of misogyny'? The answer is yes. If a man looking at his watch while a female is talking is reason for outraged claims of misogyny then institutional prejudice against women should trigger a meltdown by Gillard.
Institutional prejudice? Where's your proof?

Are the women of UAE dissatisfied with their lot in life? Are they demanding representation?
 

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She should have been prepared to answer questions about gender in politics right? I'm sure she'd prepared specifically for that question while pulling together her lecture.
Do you have to have your opinions pre-prepared these days? If I recall correctly, it is a topic that may have come up one or twice in the last few years.
 

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Do you have to have your opinions pre-prepared these days? If I recall correctly, it is a topic that may have come up one or twice in the last few years.
I understand that there are many on here who are happy to share their opinion, regardless of whether they are informed or not. I doubt that JG is cut from the same cloth. Or do you think she's likely to have some intimate knowledge of politics in the UAE and the role of women in UAE Government upon which she'd base an opinion?
 
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Institutional prejudice? Where's your proof?

Are the women of UAE dissatisfied with their lot in life? Are they demanding representation?

Seriously?

I don't see much value in a former PM, let alone a woman, going to a Muslim country and slamming them on their treatment of women. The UAE locks people up for less.
 

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I understand that there are many on here who are happy to share their opinion, regardless of whether they are informed or not. I doubt that JG is cut from the same cloth. Or do you think she's likely to have some intimate knowledge of politics in the UAE and the role of women in UAE Government upon which she'd base an opinion?
BB don't waste any more time with people that haven't an understanding of diplomacy or have never travelled outside Australia. Haters are going to hate.
They have no idea of how women in an Arab country live and I don't believe that the males would appreciate been told by a female from a western country how they should treat their women. Further, reading that link you supplied it didn't appear to be the right forum anyway.
 
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