Gill's vision: A North Melbourne Tasmanian academy

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Lifted from the main board...

AFL boss backs Tassie footy academy

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/afl-boss-backs-tassie-footy-academy/story-fnj4f7k1-1227138878798

AN AFL team committed to Tasmania could have access to the state’s best talent via an academy, AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan says.

NSW and Queensland are starting to reap the benefits through the national draft via AFL club academies, and it is hoped Tasmania could follow suit in the future.

Mr McLachlan, in Hobart yesterday for the Property Council of Australia Tasmanian division Christmas luncheon, said there had been some very preliminary discussions about a state academy.

“Regardless of what happens going forward, things like academies should be on the table,” Mr McLachlan said.

“I’ve had conversations with the Kangaroos and other guys about what that might look like. These are just theories, but it is a really important state and getting the structure right here is really important...
Okay so next year marks 15 years of Hawthorn football in Tasmania and yet Gill didn't think to offer us first crack at an academy?

It seems the AFL anti-Hawthorn conspiracy could be embarking on a new chapter...

Could this be the final straw that breaks the camels back?
 
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Is "committed" code for "relocated"?
Sounds like it...

Mr McLachlan reiterated his wish to see one club committed to Tasmania after the end of Hawthorn’s and North Melbourne’s contracts with Launceston and Hobart respectively at the end of 2016.

The Western Bulldogs have recently committed to the Ballarat region, an area the Kangaroos had been eyeing off.

Asked if this now means North Melbourne should be concentrating on Tasmania, he replied: “I’m strongly of the view their sole focus should be on Tasmania.”
Well they've already taken New Zealand off us (and the Aints have made a meal of that!) so acting according to precedence there is an element of inevitablity in this...

My only hope is that they won't charge us in equalisation taxes for North to take over Tasmania and they give us exclusively over a new expansion area...and some sort of compensation for 15 years of wasted investment
 

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Sounds like it...



Well they've already taken New Zealand off us (and the Aints have made a meal of that!) so acting according to precedence there is an element of inevitablity in this...

My only hope is that they won't charge us in equalisation taxes for North to take over Tasmania and they give us exclusively over a new expansion area...and some sort of compensation for 15 years of wasted investment
This would help us develop our new boutique stadium, which would become our new fortress. I wonder if Gill would chuck in some AFL $s toward construction?:oops:
 

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Sounds like it...



Well they've already taken New Zealand off us (and the Aints have made a meal of that!) so acting according to precedence there is an element of inevitablity in this...

My only hope is that they won't charge us in equalisation taxes for North to take over Tasmania and they give us exclusively over a new expansion area...and some sort of compensation for 15 years of wasted investment
If we leave Tassie when the deal is up at the end of '16 I wouldn't think it would be a wasted investment.
It has helped set us up financially, which is what Hawthorn would have hoped for when we went there 15 years ago
 

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Yep, access to an academy would require us to relocate to Tasmania. North can have it.
Why?

TBH, I think Tassie would choose us over the Kangas anyway. And ultimately, that's who has to be sold on these types of concepts going forward.
We offer the Tasmanian govt and people far far better access to marketing opportunities and return to the state on investment. I don't think Taz would be willing to take a flyer on hitching its future to North.
Would you?
 

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Why?

TBH, I think Tassie would choose us over the Kangas anyway. And ultimately, that's who has to be sold on these types of concepts going forward.
We offer the Tasmanian govt and people far far better access to marketing opportunities and return to the state on investment. I don't think Taz would be willing to take a flyer on hitching its future to North.
Would you?
I think the Tassie gov will take whichever team is willing to relocate the majority of its home games, and Brayshaw has previously indicated that he's well up for that. Added to that is the fact that it's clear that North is the AFL's choice for Tassie, and will no doubt make it worth Tassie's while to pick them.
 
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What a joke. The HFC hung tough when the Saints bailed on the state. A 15 year commitment (Community Camps, schools visits shit away teams etc) and the AFL are happy to just ignore the fact we even exist in Tassie. More of the same from the f......sticks.

Lets build a boutique stadium (with our compo for leaving Tassie) with the Pies in Victoria, a shared clean facility and the AFL can G&GF.
 

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I think the Tassie gov will take whichever team is willing to relocate the majority of its home games, and Brayshaw has previously indicated that he's well up for that. Added to that is the fact that it's clear that North is the AFL's choice for Tassie, and will no doubt make it worth Tassie's while to pick them.
Yeh, I just don't think it's that easy. It's a one off deal. There isn't a way to undo the choice that Tasmania makes, it's not as if were this not to work out with North that you could just unwind the deal and have North leave for the mainland. There are going to be so many strings and entanglements if a club were to relocate, I believe it's a forever kind of decision.
I don't believe Tasmania is just some starved puppy that will take whatever the AFL is offering, and I still believe they will ultimately hold out for their long term prize of a home state based team.
That's not likely to be viable for another 10+ years, so in the interim they would want to keep an arrangement that MOST benefits their state.
That clearly, is Hawthorn Football Club.
 

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The writing has been on the wall for years and I'd be nearly certain that a new deal won't be brokered beyond 2016. The fact that NM have only signed a 2 year deal expiring at the same time in damning. Plus they have drawn Richmond, when the best we have seen over the years is Western Bulldogs or St. Kilda.

It's not all bad though, we've avoided a good chunk of the Edihad stadium deals and set up our future. We own our training facility and only have debt on the Caroline Springs Hotel which could very well be paid off over the next few years.
 

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Given the AFL have been so forward in working with the previous / current state governments to set up the Ballarat, Kardina Park and Junction Oval deals for the W Bulldogs, Geelong and St Kilda I'd settle for the AFL helping us to broker a similar deal with the City of Whitehorse / Monash to set up a venue to play a 2/3 games in Melbourne's East with the balance of the 8/9 home games to be played at the MCG.

Wouldn't even need to secure our debt as they do with the Saints, Dogs, Roos, Lions, Blues, Dees etc.
 

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The writing has been on the wall for years and I'd be nearly certain that a new deal won't be brokered beyond 2016. The fact that NM have only signed a 2 year deal expiring at the same time in damning. Plus they have drawn Richmond, when the best we have seen over the years is Western Bulldogs or St. Kilda.

It's not all bad though, we've avoided a good chunk of the Edihad stadium deals and set up our future. We own our training facility and only have debt on the Caroline Springs Hotel which could very well be paid off over the next few years.
We've played Richmond in Tassie before
 

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Definitely pre-season. Can't recall for premiership points....
2006

That was a different time though, the AFL haven't scheduled us to play a high drawing Victorian club in Tasmania (at least a club that isn't W Bulldogs or Norf) since this article...

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/we-got-fixture-wrong-afl.606769/

League executive Gillon McLachlan pointed to the round-19 Hawthorn-St Kilda clash in Tasmania as a scheduling mistake, which came about following a request from the Hawks. The match could have attracted an extra 45,000 fans had it been played at the MCG. He hinted that the AFL would be less likely to co-operate with such club requests next season.
As the 16 clubs set about delivering their 2010 wish-lists into head office, McLachlan told The Age: "We will always try and support clubs in their requests, but in this case we might have got it wrong and it's costing people attending the game.

"In trying to find the right balance we might have lost sight of the bigger picture and the broader ideal of maximising attendances and to a lesser extent ratings. Did we get it right with Hawthorn? We need to discuss that with Hawthorn. They got what they wanted and the Tasmanian Government got what they wanted … but there is a bigger picture."

McLachlan's comments backed up those of AFL boss Andrew Demetriou who revealed three days ago that the league had invested in new analysis and a small team of experts scrutinising every game in the fixture as it related to venue, attendance, timeslot and television rating.

Demetriou told ABC radio that the data would be put into play next season and that club requests such as Hawthorn's to play more Victorian teams at Aurora Stadium would come second to maximising attendances. Demetriou also deemed the Hawthorn-St Kilda clash, which has become increasingly tantalising with the Hawks recent return-to-form, as a fixturing mistake.

"We need to increase the power of the fixture as a tool," said McLachlan. "We are looking at the attendance and rating of every game in the schedule and breaking down every possible combination. We obviously support what Hawthorn are doing in Tasmania, but it is one example of where we might not have seen the wood for the trees."
 

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Definitely pre-season. Can't recall for premiership points....
http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=4410&Code=960dd08eb20a640df63917e926fefa97

Jun 18 2006 (Sun 1:10pm)
2.3 Q1 1.4
7.6 Q2 3.9
12.7 Q3 5.11
16.9 Q4 8.16
(105) Total (64)

Franklin kicked 6 goals straight, coming off 6 bad losses in a row the Hawks then lost the next 6.

234 Kicks 207
127 Handballs 91
361 Disposals 298
147 Marks 112
27 Hit Outs 34
50 Tackles 65
24 Frees For 13
13 Frees Against 24

25 Scoring Shots 24
64.0% Accuracy 33.3%
2 Rushed Behinds 8
22.6 Disposal Per Goal 37.3
14.4 Disposal Per Scoring Shot 12.4
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Player K H D M HO T FF FA G B SC Rat
Sam Mitchell 20 11 31 9 0 6 6 2 0 0 0 133
Tim Clarke 16 11 27 13 0 3 0 0 1 1 7 128
Jordan Lewis 13 11 24 8 0 6 0 0 1 0 6 115
Ben Dixon 11 7 18 8 0 4 3 0 3 1 19 109
Rick Ladson 23 3 26 8 0 1 2 0 0 2 2 107
Clinton Young 21 3 24 13 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 103
Nick Ries 6 16 22 9 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 93
Lance Franklin 12 4 16 2 0 3 1 2 6 0 36 93
Campbell Brown 15 3 18 11 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 92
Ben McGlynn 14 4 18 8 0 3 3 0 0 0 0 89
Luke Brennan 6 4 10 7 0 3 2 0 2 1 13 74
Jarryd Roughead 12 4 16 6 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 71
Thomas Murphy 9 7 16 8 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 66
Grant Birchall 9 7 16 4 0 1 0 2 1 0 6 57
Joel Smith 10 4 14 7 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 57
Brad Sewell 8 5 13 4 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 56
Robert Campbell 3 5 8 2 17 1 1 0 1 0 6 53
Chance Bateman 7 5 12 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 52
John Barker 7 4 11 6 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 52
Luke Hodge 7 5 12 1 0 5 0 2 0 0 0 48
Mark Williams 4 1 5 4 0 3 0 2 1 1 7 39
Simon Taylor 1 3 4 2 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 25
Totals 234 127 361 147 27 50 24 13 16 7 103 1712

Richmond
Player K H D M HO T FF FA G B SC Rat
Kayne Pettifer 17 4 21 11 0 3 2 2 3 0 18 118
Greg Tivendale 17 1 18 7 0 10 1 1 0 2 2 114
Troy Simmonds 13 3 16 8 26 2 0 1 2 1 13 113
Nathan G. Brown 14 2 16 10 0 1 2 0 1 2 8 90
Ray Hall 11 5 16 7 0 6 3 1 0 0 0 88
Adam Pattison 10 6 16 10 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 84
Kane Johnson 13 6 19 6 0 3 2 2 0 0 0 77
Richard Tambling 9 5 14 5 0 4 1 0 1 0 6 75
Chris Hyde 10 5 15 6 0 5 0 2 0 0 0 72
Brett Deledio 10 7 17 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 69
Patrick Bowden 11 5 16 6 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 62
Andrew Krakouer 7 4 11 5 0 6 0 2 0 0 0 62
Chris Newman 10 2 12 0 0 5 1 1 0 1 1 53
Nathan Foley 5 6 11 3 0 4 0 1 0 0 0 49
Shane Tuck 10 3 13 2 1 3 1 3 0 1 1 48
Joel Bowden 10 4 14 3 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 45
Dean Polo 6 4 10 6 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 45
Danny Meyer 6 4 10 1 0 2 0 0 1 0 6 43
Andrew Raines 10 4 14 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 42
Andrew Kellaway 4 7 11 3 1 2 0 2 0 0 0 38
Greg Stafford 3 4 7 4 2 2 0 1 0 1 1 37
Mark Coughlan 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Totals 207 91 298 112 34 65 13 24 8 8 56 1430
 

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I just had a look on my fridge. Been a member since 2009 and still have all the fridge magnets. Would have been before then, but the point remains - we play mainly interstate and low drawing melbourne teams.
It is our biggest drawing attendance at a game in Launceston to this day, no surprises there
Also the fact, just like North next year, that it was scheduled early in our push into Tassie, possibly to help attract fans to experience AFL close up
 

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Anyone who thinks there is going to be a boutique stadium is dreaming. AAMI Park, 30,000 capacity cost $268m 7 years ago excluding land costs, any other infrastructure upgrades and god knows what sort of feasibility costs, design fees, etc. that might be required.

A $3m profit is nice, but it does not pay for $300m+ stadiums.

As much as it is a pain in the proverbial for the Hawks, North is actually the right fit for Tassie. The Hawks are never moving there, North might.
 
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