i first studied yatina about 6 years ago, soon after i began studying the ao case, there is some connection but it is not much, i stand by by defence of sapol re this location, i doubt very much yatina is the location of the majority of any remains which can be found, i dont think sapol cares who helps them, bikies, whoever, just that they are able to have access to quality information with high likelihood of accuracy, i think the view of elite perps and so forth is more the product of a decades old pr campaign in myth-making, it has infected most major cases, especially the beaumont case, and sapol, with the exception of castalloy, arent listening to these ideas much anymoreSorry to disagree with you here, but Sapol NEVER showed an interest in Yatina, even with the evidence MTM gave them. It took the effort of the GJ’s to go there & as confirmed by Bogart above, Sapol would not allow themselves to be out done by the GJ’s. Sapol only attended Yatina because they were forced to & even then, they half heartedly searched & they didn’t even search in the locations of interest. Most of the evidence collected WAS HANDED TO THEM by the GJ’s. So how much interest did sapol have? Sapol suggested in 2016 the search was suspended for safety reasons & they would return and yet here we are 4 yrs later with......if you seriously believe or could possibly suggest that Sapol are not lacking in this search (one of many cases), please do research into WHAT Yatina actually is...its not a place...its a living hell for many survivors. There were high profiles involved, fly in fly out perps and lets also not forget the drug growing Hart kindly did for officers at the time to ensure his own protection. Did you notice the airstrip close by? Charlie20, have you researched this place and what it stood for? Are you aware of the dark history this place has and the elite perps involved?
I value your opinion, although, respectfully disagree on this one. Sapol did not touch or review that site until the GJ’s went there. Their half arsed attempt was purely based on a publicity stunt and if Suzie never bought it to the public, Sapol wouldn’t have touched it. Former sapol were heavily involved with their drug operations, the child exploration and murders that took place there. To suggest Hart and family were not main players, in my opinion, in a blinded opinion, particularly if you have studied Yatina and the allegations of the victims. Im not suggesting there are mass graves, although once again, it can not be ruled out. Its vast open country spreads for miles - where do you begin? Not every crime or ring is linked to satanic abuses. There is certainly evidence and many victims to suggest Yatina was the devils playground. Sapol firstly failed when they never charged Hart with any crimes, in fact, he was TOLD to go out to Yatina, that was a sapol directive. It was not a choice Hart made. His offending was ride and at that point, beyond sapol covering his arse. That was their first mistake. We have an offender who’s number count is beyond belief and sapol were aware of it...and his only charges...stealing potatoes? In my opinion, sapol failed to and continues to fail with investigation this particular case. There is a MASSIVE connection to Yatina, in my opinion.i first studied yatina about 6 years ago, soon after i began studying the ao case, there is some connection but it is not much, i stand by by defence of sapol re this location, i doubt very much yatina is the location of the majority of any remains which can be found, i dont think sapol cares who helps them, bikies, whoever, just that they are able to have access to quality information with high likelihood of accuracy, i think the view of elite perps and so forth is more the product of a decades old pr campaign in myth-making, it has infected most major cases, especially the beaumont case, and sapol, with the exception of castalloy, arent listening to these ideas much anymore
Are you suggesting the crops were Hart's but not on any of the properties he owned himself and that he was involved for twenty years without a pinch? Or he was a middle man?adelaide oval abuction took place at a footy game, team game, team effort ...
might i be correct in thinking the "horticulture" operation harts, and perhaps others, had going in the mid-north may have come to the attention of the nca during their investigation of mafia linked crops in south australia not long prior to the 1994 bombing?
You're saying Frank Bone was a child sex offender and was at the footy with the Ratcliffe's that day? That he knew Hart, who was staying within a block or so of where Kirste was and we know it was the first time Kirste had ever been to the football with her grandparents?He had been convicted for theft... stole potatoes. While he didn't have priors, nor was ever convicted for sex crimes, it means only that he got away with them. His close associate that is absolutely linked to this case - attended the footy that day and was well aware of the movement of the two girls to the moment they disappeared - did have a child sex conviction and took part in hypnosis of children. Birds of a feather, you might say
I'm not saying Frank Bone was a sex offender.... this comment has nothing to do with Frank Bone. But yes, Frank Bone was at the footy that day with the Ratcliffes as was his regular outing with them. Frank did not move from his seat for the whole time his good friend was frantically searching for the girls. He sat with Rita. Frank also did not provide evidence to the inquest, nor was he mentioned in any press about the incident across the years.... correct me if I'm wrong but I never found a single mention of another person at the footy with the Ratcliffes that day... not even a "attending along with their friend". Seems like a massive oversight to not mention another adult who always went to the footy with the family. Bone also had at the very least a professional working relationship/acquaintance with Bevan Spencer Von Einem.You're saying Frank Bone was a child sex offender and was at the footy with the Ratcliffe's that day? That he knew Hart, who was staying within a block or so of where Kirste was and we know it was the first time Kirste had ever been to the football with her grandparents?
Do we know of any/how many reported sex attacks there might have been at AO up until then, incidents in the toilet blocks for example?
Hart was first interviewed about the abduction by police on August 26, 1973, Detective Bob Sharpe told me in 2015.... 4 years after SAPOL denied they had any interest in Hart as a suspect. In August 2013, SAPOL Det Insp Greg Hutchins called me to ask for all the information I had on the matter, including that from the GJ's who had approached me to lay out what it is they had found. In 2015, SAPOL went to Yatina to resume the searches they had been undertaking between 2009 and that time --- yes "resume". Hart has always been a key suspect in this matter and unless SAPOL come up with an alternative actual perpetrator, Hart stands as the most likely in my book.sapol are not hiding anything, they have paid some attention to yatina because of hart's alleged involvement, but they are not taking it further because they dont believe hart was the actual abductor, and i agree with them on that point
I think you would be challenged to find an adult sitting down whilst a child, let alone children, were missing. Any person I would assume that wouldn’t be bothered looking, imo, would be someone who knows their fate. Extremely alarming behaviour, particularly from a parent and failure to appear at the inquest on three occasions, implies a degree of guilt, imo. It is also just as odd, considering Bone’s presence and behaviour that day was not a relevant factor for police and strange how his name has never been mentioned in relation to the case until the above article. That may or may not imply a degree of corruption or favours by police of the day.I
I'm not saying Frank Bone was a sex offender.... this comment has nothing to do with Frank Bone. But yes, Frank Bone was at the footy that day with the Ratcliffes as was his regular outing with them. Frank did not move from his seat for the whole time his good friend was frantically searching for the girls. He sat with Rita. Frank also did not provide evidence to the inquest, nor was he mentioned in any press about the incident across the years.... correct me if I'm wrong but I never found a single mention of another person at the footy with the Ratcliffes that day... not even a "attending along with their friend". Seems like a massive oversight to not mention another adult who always went to the footy with the family. Bone also had at the very least a professional working relationship/acquaintance with Bevan Spencer Von Einem.
What I was saying in this comment was that Stan Hart had a prior conviction for stealing potatoes... I was responding to the question of whether or not Stan Hart had prior convictions. He never had a sex crime conviction. He also never had a drug trafficking conviction but there is little doubt, and plenty of screaming evidence pointing to the fact he played in both these fields of crime quite a bit.
This comment also raises the fact there was another associate of Stan's at the footy that day, Terry Smythe was his name, who it is absolutely confirmed was at the footy and must have known better than any other adult what the girls were doing in their last moments at the oval.... given his daughters were questioned by police the following day as they had been playing with the girls. One of those daughters went on to marry Mark Trevor Marshall, Stan Hart's grandson and the person who tipped Hart into this with his statement to the Mulligan inquiry. Marshall's statements were stolen from state archives and that sparked the investigation which uncovered barrels containing evidence of blood (not confirmed to be human but clearly suspect given the length someone went to hide them) from a place Hart frequented and precisely where Marshall had said they were disposed of 40 years prior to writing it and drawing an X on a map.
Terry Smythe had priors for messing about with hypnosis on young girls. At the time of the abduction, the separated man had 2 addresses he was living at, neither of them being with his family and one of them being shared with a known pedophile, just around the corner from the abandoned Hart home in Prospect... which had the bunker.
I spoke with Smythe before his death.
The remains of 500 in bits and pieces is a lot of people, I'm a bit shocked nothing has been done before this. Similarly, I was shocked to read a random bit of information a senior police officer referred to at Lyn Dawson's coroners inquiry. A small child was dropped off at a hospital in Sydney a few years ago and he died, they still don't know who he is.If you are related - even at 3rd cousin level to a missing person I urge you to take a DNA test and have it on record - you do NOT need to involve yourself with the genealogy side of it - but to help solve these cold cases it is essential as many close - near close relatives test
There's a new book out, I just noticed the movement of Frank Bone's property is discussed. Bone purchased the Paradise home in 1962 and sold it in 1977. BVE and Thora didn't purchase the home directly from Bone, they bought it in 1983 according to this book.
August 25, 1973 was a Saturday and VFA was only played on Sundays back then.https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...-/news-story/2a4aec7cb560f4b2fdd81206a1b04020
Man claims he saw Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon loaded into van at a boarding house after their disappearance from Adelaide Oval
DETECTIVES are investigating claims that Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon were loaded into a van at a Prospect boarding house soon after disappearing from Adelaide Oval 40 years ago.
August 31, 2013 - 10:01PM
Sunday Mail (SA)
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MAJOR Crimes detectives are investigating claims that Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon were loaded into the back of a van at a Prospect boarding house soon after disappearing from Adelaide Oval 40 years ago.
Prospect man Robert McMahon, 73, approached the Sunday Mail during the week claiming he saw the girls at a Vine St boarding house on the day they were supposedly abducted from the 1973 SANFL match between Norwood and North Adelaide.
He said the girls were accompanied by a man known as 'Scotty' with whom he shared the boarding house.
He said Scotty, who claimed the girls were his grandchildren, paraded the pair in front of his housemates before taking them outside and ordering them into a cream-white van parked in a laneway at the back of the boarding house.
Mr McMahon said he was so disturbed by the incident he drew pictures that night of what he claims he saw and wrote a letter detailing what happened at the property on August 25, 1973.
The artist said he kept the sketches and letter in a box before later placing them in a sealed envelope.
He opened the envelope in front of the Sunday Mail this week and produced sketches that appear to be accurate portrayals of Joanne, 11, and Kirste, 4.
There are also drawings of Scotty and a cream white van along with two scribbled notes.
Major Crime detectives collected the documents on Friday and intend to interview Mr McMahon this week.
Mr McMahon claims that late on the afternoon of August 25, 1973 he was sitting in his room watching a VFA football match on TV when he "heard a racket" out the back of the house.
"I went to check and there was one of the borders coming in and he had two children with him," he said.
"He had the little one under his right arm and the other one was ahead of him.
"He walked them around in a circle in front of us (four or five men) laughing and joking.
"He said the kids were his grandchildren but when the older one went to speak he told her to 'shut up' and not say anything.
"I can still see the taller girl now as she walked passed me."
"It was all very weird,"
Mr McMahon, who was 33 at the time of the girls' disappearance, went to the kitchen area of the boarding house where he said he watched the man drag the small girl to the back of his van that was parked in a laneway.
"He threw the little one in roughly and motioned to the bigger one to jump in," he said. "He slammed the back door and then locked it.
"It's not the way you treat your grandchildren."
Mr McMahon said he was so concerned he returned to his room and did sketches of the girls, Scotty and the van.
He said he rang police the next day when news broke of the possible abductions.
"When I saw the photos I knew for sure it was those girls that I'd seen." he said.
"But the police said they had hundreds of sightings and would get back to me."
He claimed they never did. He said he rang police a week later and then again around the first anniversary of the abductions with the same result. He said he didn't pursue it further out of frustration.
But he contacted the Sunday Mail this week after reading a story published in the paper last weekend, marking the 40th anniversary of the girls' mysterious disappearance.
Mr McMahon said Scotty - he never knew his real name - did not return to the boarding house and he never saw him again.
He described Scotty as being in his early 40s, with a broad Scottish accent. He said he was about 165cm, had grey receding hair and limped on his right side.
Former Adelaide Oval assistant curator Ken Wohling reportedly saw the back of a man walking with the two girls and noticed he had a 'stoop'.
Mr McMahon, raised in a Catholic orphanage in Geelong, said he was fully aware of the pain and distress his story could cause if he was lying.
"I will tell the same story on my death bed and if I ever get to face my God," he said.
"I have a bit of guilt that I didn't try even harder at the time to get it out but we all have things we have to live with and I did try."