Go Magnus!

[TheMase]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
Philipoussis has been injured so we havent had a chance to see if he has changed. I mean he was into his 20s and still carrying on whereas hewitt was a teen which is more understandable. The anti hewitt mob are clinging to things which happened years ago but these things have been rectified and they look stupid to be clinging onto them.
I will be going for Hewitt because I dont have much time for philipoussis, the u.s open tantrum comments about roche are hard to forget even though they did happen a while back, it was a real insult to an australian tennis legend when he was in the rafter camp, and it was not davis cup so the fact he was coach had nothing to do with it. But if he has changed I wont be as harsh, unlike the anti hewitt mob.

Philippoussis hasn't caused anything in years, you are holding onto something that happened 5 years ago!!! (He was younger than Hewitt is now).

Hewitt is only 22. The thing he has done are FAR more recent than anything the scud has done.

US OPEN TANTRUMS? 1998???
Geez mate.

Oh okay. So they aren't easy to forget. But being a racist and a downright arrogant prick isnt?
Geez you must be the biggest hypocrite on these boards. You contradict yourself time and time again!

Unbelieveable!

 

[Katthawk]

Well, the Scud is far better looking than ''Rocky" Hewitt.

However, they both suffer from massive egos.

(no don't throw anything, just my opinion )

 

[Thrawn]

Well, just saw the match. Stuff Hewitt, 'Scud' came back from his third knee injury and played a 5-set triller against a great opponent (11th in the world). On current form, Philipoussis would smash Hewitt. Well done to him, what a great comeback. Let's see how far he can go... Hewitt better get some good form going, and fast.

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Well, just saw the match. Stuff Hewitt, 'Scud' came back from his third knee injury and played a 5-set triller against a great opponent (11th in the world). On current form, Philipoussis would smash Hewitt. Well done to him, what a great comeback. Let's see how far he can go... Hewitt better get some good form going, and fast.

Oh my god. That is ridiculous ! Hewitt is easily the better player. Just because philipoussis comes out and beats the 12th or so ranked player in the world in 5 sets in front of a home crowd at his home grand slam. Yes it was a great win but you cannot say that he is better than hewitt. If scud wins more grand slams than hewitt and also a wimbledon and is number 1 in the world at some point, then you can come back and say he is better than hewitt. But that will never happen.
Let me guess, are you using the hopman cup as a form barometer ? An exhibition tournament used as a preparation for the grand slam. You know less on tennis than I even thought !

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by TheMase
Philippoussis hasn't caused anything in years, you are holding onto something that happened 5 years ago!!! (He was younger than Hewitt is now).

Hewitt is only 22. The thing he has done are FAR more recent than anything the scud has done.

You are forgetting that philipoussis is older than hewitt. Hewitt played up in his teens as you would expect from most teens, agassi, roddick being examples, philipoussis was still carrying on well into his 20s.

US OPEN TANTRUMS? 1998???
Geez mate.

Oh okay. So they aren't easy to forget. But being a racist and a downright arrogant prick isnt?
Geez you must be the biggest hypocrite on these boards. You contradict yourself time and time again!

In your eyes maybe.
Hypocrite ? Arent the hewitt haters that too ? they hold things to hewitts past too.
The fact is hewitt has improved and philipoussis probably has too but the sad thing is that the hewitt haters will never forgive no matter how much he improves whereas I am willing to forgive if philipoussis shows commitment to davis cup etc. That is the issue here.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
Oh my god. That is ridiculous ! Hewitt is easily the better player. Just because philipoussis comes out and beats the 12th or so ranked player in the world in 5 sets in front of a home crowd at his home grand slam. Yes it was a great win but you cannot say that he is better than hewitt. If scud wins more grand slams than hewitt and also a wimbledon and is number 1 in the world at some point, then you can come back and say he is better than hewitt. But that will never happen.
Let me guess, are you using the hopman cup as a form barometer ? An exhibition tournament used as a preparation for the grand slam. You know less on tennis than I even thought !

I believe he was saying on both players form (from the games played so far). And I really tend to agree with him.

The guy Mark played last night, plays a similar game to Hewitt by the way.

 

[TheMase]

You'd have to take the award for the thickest bloke of Bigfooty.


You are forgetting that philipoussis is older than hewitt. Hewitt played up in his teens as you would expect from most teens, agassi, roddick being examples, philipoussis was still carrying on well into his 20s.

He was not carrying on 'well' into his 20's. The things for speak of were 5 years ago. 21 is hardly well into his 20's. Also unlike Hewitt, Philippoussis has NEVER had on court tantrums. He has spoken out in the media, but his TENNIS has always been on a mature standard. You cannot say the same for Hewitt.


In your eyes maybe.

In my eyes maybe?
I am sorry, but being racist is far more serious that the Scud having problems with a Australian Coach being in the box of an Australian player in an All Australian game!!


Hypocrite ? Arent the hewitt haters that too ? they hold things to hewitts past too.
The fact is hewitt has improved and philipoussis probably has too but the sad thing is that the hewitt haters will never forgive no matter how much he improves whereas I am willing to forgive if philipoussis shows commitment to davis cup etc. That is the issue here.


No. I do not hold Hewitt to his pasts. I think his on court behaviour has improved out of site. I don't dislike him as a tennis player. I just don't like his attitude.
Actions speak louder than words matey.

The Hewitt haters are too. But if you wish to use all this as an example you have to drop how much you hate Philippoussis. Otherwise it is impossible for you to win the arguement.

 

[ScouseCat]

Lleyton Hewitt is easilly the better player and his record speaks for itself....

* Current World Number One (held for over a year!)
* Wimbledon Champion 2002
* US Open Champion 2001 & Runner Up 2002
* Won Gran Slam Cup 2001 & 2002

Not to mention Lleyton's wins in other tournaments.

As for the Scud, sure he's had injuries and various other problems throughout his tennis career, but people have been talking about his potential ever since he came out all those years ago and beat Pete Sampras in the Australian Open and so far he is yet to deliver.

* Runner Up to Pat Rafter in US Open Final

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by ScouseCat
Lleyton Hewitt is easilly the better player and his record speaks for itself....

* Current World Number One (held for over a year!)
* Wimbledon Champion 2002
* US Open Champion 2001 & Runner Up 2002
* Won Gran Slam Cup 2001 & 2002

Not to mention Lleyton's wins in other tournaments.

As for the Scud, sure he's had injuries and various other problems throughout his tennis career, but people have been talking about his potential ever since he came out all those years ago and beat Pete Sampras in the Australian Open and so far he is yet to deliver.

* Runner Up to Pat Rafter in US Open Final

You can hardly compare records when they guy hasn't been able to gain any momentum since 1999 *all those titles have been after that



We are talking about current match form, please don't turn this into Hewitt is better than Philippoussis thread.
Easty has already tried that

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by TheMase


please don't turn this into Hewitt is better than Philippoussis thread.
Easty has already tried that

I dont think there is any argument there
scouse cat, you are spot on. Plus Hewitt doesnt have the benefit of a lethal serve.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
I dont think there is any argument there
scouse cat, you are spot on. Plus Hewitt doesnt have the benefit of a lethal serve.

I think there is a big arguement there.

Hewitt has won all of his tournament since Philippoussis has been injured the majority of the time. So it is hardly fair for you to compare that time frame.

Philippoussis is a quality tennis player, he will get better. If he stays injury free, he will be in the top 10 by years end.

 

[Murph]

Originally posted by ScouseCat

* US Open Champion 2001 & Runner Up 2002

So Lleyton has taken on the persona of Andre Aggasi in his spare time?

If I remember correctly, Lleyton lost to Agassi in the semis at Flushing Medow last year, and Agassi then lost to Sampras in the final.

 

[McAlmanac]

Originally posted by Thrawn
On current form, Philipoussis would smash Hewitt.

Laughable.

 

[eastaugh36]

Philippoussis has NEVER had on court tantrums. He has spoken out in the media, but his TENNIS has always been on a mature standard. You cannot say the same for Hewitt

Everyone is different. Some show emotion some dont. It isnt over the top so I dont see a problem with it.



I am sorry, but being racist is far more serious that the Scud having problems with a Australian Coach being in the box of an Australian player in an All Australian game!!

Once again you are listening too much to the media.
As for the u.s open tantrums, roche was rafters coach and last time I checked, the u.s open is not the davis cup. It is like James Hird throwing a tantrum for Sheedy being in the coaches box if Kevin Sheedy was coach of victoria in an origin game and Hird was playing for the allies.


No. I do not hold Hewitt to his pasts. I think his on court behaviour has improved out of site. I don't dislike him as a tennis player. I just don't like his attitude.

We agree on something, at least you are not one of those people that will always hate hewitt no matter how much he improves unlike some fools on here.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by eastaugh36


Everyone is different. Some show emotion some dont. It isnt over the top so I dont see a problem with it.



You are showing signs of losing this arguement mate
It is over the top at times.


Once again you are listening too much to the media.
As for the u.s open tantrums, roche was rafters coach and last time I checked, the u.s open is not the davis cup. It is like James Hird throwing a tantrum for Sheedy being in the coaches box if Kevin Sheedy was coach of victoria in an origin game and Hird was playing for the allies.

No, either way, his on court behaviour has been bad 'at times'.

I more liken it to this situation.

Bob is the coach of Michael and Sam. (national coach).

They play each other.
Bob hangs with Michael and sits with their coaching staff.

Its a conflict of interest because is 'picking' favourites within the squad.
Shouldn't do that on any level.

 

[eastaugh36]

You are showing signs of losing this arguement mate.It is over the top at times.

In the past I would agree with you but nothing I have seen lately is that bad. I will admit that if he was like he was in his teen years still, I would not like him.

You must understand that Roche was not the coach of philipoussis. He was rafters coach, philipoussis coach sat in his box so roche should be able to sit in rafters. My footy example was the equivalent of this. Yours would be spot on if roche was both rafters and philipoussis coach in atp events but he wasnt.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
You are showing signs of losing this arguement mate.It is over the top at times.

In the past I would agree with you but nothing I have seen lately is that bad. I will admit that if he was like he was in his teen years still, I would not like him.

You must understand that Roche was not the coach of philipoussis. He was rafters coach, philipoussis coach sat in his box so roche should be able to sit in rafters. My footy example was the equivalent of this. Yours would be spot on if roche was both rafters and philipoussis coach in atp events but he wasnt.

I believe you are wrong there.

Roche was the DAVIS CUP coach. Therefore he was the national coach for Philippoussis and Rafter.

They have their own seperate personal coaches.

Roche decided to sit in Rafters box, hense taking favourites really..

But nevermind all that, its in the past!

 

[TheMase]

Another point ..

Srichaphan (the guy Mark played last night) beat Hewitt, Agassi and Safin last year
and is in similar form!

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by TheMase
Another point ..

Srichaphan (the guy Mark played last night) beat Hewitt, Agassi and Safin last year
and is in similar form!

Im pretty sure he was working with rafter.
Yes srichaphan is a top player and full credit to philipoussis on the win. I was watching it and it got to the 4th set and then turned the radio on thinking it was live on tv and they were into a 5th set ! Surely they could make it live on tv for such a big matchup

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
Im pretty sure he was working with rafter.
Yes srichaphan is a top player and full credit to philipoussis on the win. I was watching it and it got to the 4th set and then turned the radio on thinking it was live on tv and they were into a 5th set ! Surely they could make it live on tv for such a big matchup

I am fairly sure it was live here....

Not 100% sure of that of course!

He was working with all Aussie Players as far as I know..

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
Oh my god. That is ridiculous ! Hewitt is easily the better player. Just because philipoussis comes out and beats the 12th or so ranked player in the world in 5 sets in front of a home crowd at his home grand slam. Yes it was a great win but you cannot say that he is better than hewitt.

How can I debate with you if you don't the the ability to read? I stated on current form, the Scud would smash Hewitt. See the emphasis on current? Or do I have to explain it to you again? Funny... didn't you say I knew nothing about tennis? If someone states that Hewitt is better than Philipoussis on current form, they have rocks in their head. Granted that Hewitt is better overall, but not on the form he has shown recently, oh no.

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Thrawn
How can I debate with you if you don't the the ability to read? I stated on current form, the Scud would smash Hewitt. See the emphasis on current? Or do I have to explain it to you again? Funny... didn't you say I knew nothing about tennis? If someone states that Hewitt is better than Philipoussis on current form, they have rocks in their head. Granted that Hewitt is better overall, but not on the form he has shown recently, oh no.

your basing it on 1 proper match by hewitt though, at least wait until the 4th round before assessing it

 

[McAlmanac]

Their current form (since Christmas) is pretty similar. Couple of wins, couple of losses. Hewitt bypassed ATP events in favour of practice and an exhibition. Philipoussis lost in a first round and had a couple of wins in an exhibition. The Scud has had one (very) good win. Surely it's a bit early at January 16 to be making outlandish statements about one or the other. If they played each other tomorrow, surely Hewitt would start favourite. After all, The Scud is a big serving former top 10 player coming back from injury - just like Magnus Larsson.

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by McAlmanac
Their current form (since Christmas) is pretty similar. Couple of wins, couple of losses. Hewitt bypassed ATP events in favour of practice and an exhibition. Philipoussis lost in a first round and had a couple of wins in an exhibition. The Scud has had one (very) good win. Surely it's a bit early at January 16 to be making outlandish statements about one or the other. If they played each other tomorrow, surely Hewitt would start favourite. After all, The Scud is a big serving former top 10 player coming back from injury - just like Magnus Larsson.

Speaking of Larsson, he is a very talented player. He is only a part timer on the circuit these days but always has had talent like most swedes. A former top 10er.

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
your basing it on 1 proper match by hewitt though, at least wait until the 4th round before assessing it

No, I am basing it on current form. Which means at present, now, at the moment, not in the past or future but now. Yet again, you are showing your inability to read.