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I was genuinely shocked at some of the new data they show about players accuracy from the same spot on the ground over their career. I initially was thinking there was typos going on when i saw Lecca and Kennedy kicking for goal in positions that you would say was easy (say 30 out in front) and the data was showing horrible kicking accuracy. Lecca was going for goal 30 out in the last quarter (i think) and his accuracy was 3 goals and 15 misses all to the right and what do you know, he missed again to the right. Kennedy had an equally amazing stat once too.

Does this kind of thing get worked on at training or do they just continually take shots from 50 meters? It's not acceptable to a "gun" forward to have a 20% accuracy from 30 out directly in front! I hope the coaches took notice of the numbers too, these misses are way too common and cost games in crunch matches.

One theory i have is that not many players kick a straight ball anymore, they all kick with an arc designed to arrive where they aim after the full extent of the kick over their max distance (does this make sense? imagine a golfer putting on a slope and the ball coming back to where the hole is).

Anyhow, players need to sort this out, it should not be that hard to kick a goal from 30 out!
 
All I know is that our accuracy goes through the roof whenever we are doing well and the pressure is low.

As soon as the goal becomes important most of our guys miss. No amount of practice will change that, it's not about technique it's just an inability to handle pressure.

Biggest problem with our side in general really, and has been for years.
 
I reckon those accuracy figures are well wrong. Just about every player (across the entire league) I see has more behinds then goals, which is obviously not right as they only show those graphics on set shots which are more accurate then broken play shots, and league accuracy hovers around 53% most years (maybe a bit less as the AFL tables website doesn't factor in complete misses).
 
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The Passenger said:
I reckon those accuracy figures are well wrong. Just about every player (across the entire league) I see has more behinds then goals, which is obviously not right as they only show those graphics on set shots which are more accurate then broken play shots, and league accuracy hovers around 53% most years (maybe a bit less as the AFL tables website doesn't factor in complete misses).
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yeah i have a feeling they are wrong too, i mean you go through his career and Lecca has 341 goals and 188 behinds, at about 65%. So the massive 3 goals 15 from 30 out does seem really strange, though they might include OOB?
 
Trouto said:
yeah i have a feeling they are wrong too, i mean you go through his career and Lecca has 341 goals and 188 behinds, at about 65%. So the massive 3 goals 15 from 30 out does seem really strange, though they might include OOB?
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Its only from that particular point on the ground though. I'm not sure where they get that info from, but they display a different graphic for different players at different angles and distances in front of goal. Our goal kicking is shocking though, and some of those goals that were missed on the weekend wouldn't have been missed at amateur level imo. For professional forwards, we're pretty piss poor at times..
 
Some of our forwards need high pressure put on them when going through there goal kicking routines at training. Have 5 or 6 players/staff running around yelling at them, maybe some Death Metal playing...
 
SpaceClef said:
All I know is that our accuracy goes through the roof whenever we are doing well and the pressure is low.

As soon as the goal becomes important most of our guys miss. No amount of practice will change that, it's not about technique it's just an inability to handle pressure.

Biggest problem with our side in general really, and has been for years.
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A lot of that is undeniably from running into open goals and shots from more dangerous parts of the attacking 50. Maybe you meant that we are less accurate than other teams under the same amount of pressure, I don't know how you go about proving it though.

I actually agree with you to some extent, I'm just not sure that the problem is our guys shit their daks under pressure.
 
Mr Casson said:
A lot of that is undeniably from running into open goals and shots from more dangerous parts of the attacking 50. Maybe you meant that we are less accurate than other teams under the same amount of pressure, I don't know how you go about proving it though.

I actually agree with you to some extent, I'm just not sure that the problem is our guys shit their daks under pressure.
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Nah it's not just because we take lower percentage shots when we are under more pressure, and easier shots when we are dominating. Though of course that is a factor.

I'm talking a set shot from 45m when we are downhill skiing is so much more likely to go through the middle than a set shot from the same distance and angle when the opposition has jumped us and we desperately need a goal to settle.

It might just be cognitive bias, but I reckon it could be proven - I just don't have the time or inclination to do so.

Whether it's pressure or nerves, I don't know.
 

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The Passenger said:
I reckon those accuracy figures are well wrong. Just about every player (across the entire league) I see has more behinds then goals, which is obviously not right as they only show those graphics on set shots which are more accurate then broken play shots, and league accuracy hovers around 53% most years (maybe a bit less as the AFL tables website doesn't factor in complete misses).
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Was it just ground position? Or set shots and ground position?

A lot of snaps and pressure kicks might score, but were never realistic shots and you can excuse those. If it's just shots from a particular area.


Edit: N/M rewatched the game and it says set shots. Bizarre.
 
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Was it just ground position? Or set shots and ground position?

A lot of snaps and pressure kicks might score, but were never realistic shots and you can excuse those. If it's just shots from a particular area.


Edit: N/M rewatched the game and it says set shots. Bizarre.
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If it sets shots it must be wrong. Lecca 15 misses to the right of goals from 30m out :confused:
 
Here2tellyouwhy said:
If it sets shots it must be wrong. Lecca 15 misses to the right of goals from 30m out :confused:
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That's the one that stuck in my mind, before he kicked it I was "no way, he is a good kick at goal, these numbers are wrong" then he goes and misses to the right to make it 16 misses!
 
Trouto said:
That's the one that stuck in my mind, before he kicked it I was "no way, he is a good kick at goal, these numbers are wrong" then he goes and misses to the right to make it 16 misses!
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It's madness.
Any team that could kick straight would almost be a lock for top4.
 
Was surprised at some of the graphics that came up at points during some of those set shots. Think it was JJK or Lecca that was around 35 out without too much of an angle and it showed they had kicked something bizarre like 5.12 from that spot. Some of the set shots missed on the weekend were pretty appalling for full time professional forwards.

One of the commentators on Fox footy during a game on the weekend (or maybe a round 2 match) confirmed it is showing:

1. Set shots on goal from that "exact" spot for that player.. Doesn't include running shots on goal.
2. It's the total of that spot from all grounds in the competition not just the ground they are playing on at the time, it's displaying every set shot they have ever taken so it's no doubt including shots taken in sunny/raining/hailing conditions, a drop punt, a miskicked mongrel off the side of the boot or kicked in a ridiculous swirling cross wind at somewhere like Blundstone.

I think there's a fair bit of estimation going on as to what spot they are actually kicking from, I can't see how they could possibly have accurate enough data to work it out the angles and distance exactly for every player. I doubt the clubs share the GPS data from the player dataloggers outside the club.


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Certain it was a malfunction in the new fox footy system. It was doing the same for all players from memory, it was even saying like 90% were to the same side of goals. There is no way that JK, Lecca and Pav combined for 6.30 with 28 of those points missing to the left..

Anyway I always feel like our goal kicking is poor but we are sitting bang on 53% which is the league average - set shot goal kicking is just poor across the board really.
 
Seems crazy goal kicking is something our club likes to do a few times a year. We're the bipolar Gemini of goal kicking.
22.7 one week and 7.22 a month later.
 
Bad goal kicking is bad footy

I Se comments like they played well but didn't kick straight .......no playing well includes good kicking

Kicking is part of playing well and a big part. We have a few guys with suspect techniques .....I would class our team as a streaky goal kicking team....we have periods we run hot in yet games we go ice cold ....like putting in golf

The players we recruit should not be bad kick ....I remember Alister Clarkson saying years ago when he came to hawthorn that if you couldn't kick you wouldn't play for hawthorn .....4 flags later

It's why I would delist crap kickers ......yes you can be average and get away with it and still play but in a big game it will hurt you
Bad kicking is bad footy

You've played poorly if you kick poorly
 
JADED said:
Seems crazy goal kicking is something our club likes to do a few times a year. We're the bipolar Gemini of goal kicking.
22.7 one week and 7.22 a month later.
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We kick 22.7 against Carlton in Perth but 7.22 against Geelong at Kardinya. You should know how we work by now.
 
Silvarbullit said:
I think there's a fair bit of estimation going on as to what spot they are actually kicking from, I can't see how they could possibly have accurate enough data to work it out the angles and distance exactly for every player. I doubt the clubs share the GPS data from the player dataloggers outside the club.
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I would think it'd come from the Champion Data position information - it's someone's job each game to put a mark on a footy-oval shaped map where each possession takes place, and to record the result of that possession (in this case goal or behind), so it wouldn't be that hard to work out a rough estimation of accuracy over a grid of a few square meters, but yes, it's basically just an estimate of where on the ground the player is at the time of the possession taking place.
 
I think a lot of you are conflating the accuracy prediction with the 'from this spot' figures we saw on the weekend.

The predictions I am pretty sure would come from a regression which would be based on distance and angle, maybe they include ground and player info as well but for what it is, just distance and angle would be pretty accurate for average players in normal conditions.

The stuff about Player X kicking Y goals from Z shots in this spot could only be based on carving the forward 50 up into a number of zones, which Fox don't seem to have ever revealed.

As for the GPS stuff though, I think the AFL would have had access to this for years because you used to be able to follow players and the ball movements through an animation on the AFL match centre back in 2006 (not sure if it is still there though).
 

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