Training Goal kicking

[eth-dog]

Players don't practice and don't have regular routines.
And a lot don't have TRC Timing Rhythm Co-ordination
The best kick in the AFL by a mile is Tory Dickson but he's not getting a regular game - great action and same routine.
Jack Riewoldt, Josh Kennedy, Jeremy Cameron be the next best 3.
Joe, Hooker, Buddy dont drop or kick the same every time hence their unreliability.

As someone who was lifetime 74% (330.115) in the bush leagues we practised after every session.

Ben Brown's set shot is better than Riewoldt or Cameron.

 

[maskmcgee]

The best kick in the AFL by a mile is Tory Dickson

Are you insane? Ben Brown?

 

[84859300]

Am I right in saying we still don't have a goalkicking coach?

Assuming this is right, how on earth can this be the case? It's 2018 and we're supposedly a professional football club.

Daniher is obviously the chief culprit, but there's others. It's cost us games before and will do so again - hopefully not big ones.

Why on earth do we want to be ruing this once it's too late? It's a basic fundamental which will make a real difference to us winning and losing games.

Watching Daniher take multiple set shots from the same spot and use a different approach every time is painful. Jonathon Brown pointed out last night how at sea he is... and of course he is, because he doesn't have a routine. He's all over the place every time he gets a set shot.

What the **** gives??

Hypothetical...

If we were in the States, with one of the top 3 sports consumed in the country, the media coverage would be 10 fold of what we've experinced to cover one of the most hyped playes in the league that has the yips.

There would be past players offering advice, some flying across the country to provide a clinic. Hour long segments would be dedicated to the previous game and what the payer had achieved. Bio mechanics would be analysing ball drop, leg angles, foot position etc. Training would be dedicated to conversions and improving preparation.

In the real world, all we've really offered is BJ blowing up in his face. Hardly a solution.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Players don't practice and don't have regular routines.
And a lot don't have TRC Timing Rhythm Co-ordination
The best kick in the AFL by a mile is Tory Dickson but he's not getting a regular game - great action and same routine.
Jack Riewoldt, Josh Kennedy, Jeremy Cameron be the next best 3.
Joe, Hooker, Buddy dont drop or kick the same every time hence their unreliability.

As someone who was lifetime 74% (330.115) in the bush leagues we practised after every session.

How old are you, do you want a game?

It simply has to be practiced. Ben Brown is going at over 70% and practices heaps after training. The fitness staff complain. They ignore them and do it anyway. Scott backs them.

It’s hard to think of another area where we could get so much tangible, measurable benefit.

 

[Lore]

How old are you, do you want a game?

It simply has to be practiced. Ben Brown is going at over 70% and practices heaps after training. The fitness staff complain. They ignore them and do it anyway. Scott backs them.

It’s hard to think of another area where we could get so much tangible, measurable benefit.

70%? I looked up his career average like last weekend and it was 61%...? Or is that a season average you're talking about? Or just simple goal/behind math (ignoring ootf which we have no data for)?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

70%? I looked up his career average like last weekend and it was 61%...? Or is that a season average you're talking about? Or just simple goal/behind math (ignoring ootf which we have no data for)?

Goals / behinds

 

[brutus76]

Tory Dickson 74% career goalkicking percentage and a beautiful style and action

 

[Lore]

Goals / behinds

Ah okay. Yeah they look more accurate than they really are on that metric, as it doesn't include out on the full. Joe is 58% career average on goals/(goals+behinds). Looks like both players are 9% difference between including OOTF and excluding it

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Ah okay. Yeah they look more accurate than they really are on that metric, as it doesn't include out on the full. Joe is 58% career average on goals/(goals+behinds). Looks like both players are 9% difference between including OOTF and excluding it

The fact that this far into his career a full-time forward like Daniher doesn’t have a consistent set-shot routine is absolutely scandalous. It’s an incredible failure on the part of both him and the club. I have no idea how it’s been allowed to happen.

 

[Lore]

The fact that this far into his career a full-time forward like Daniher doesn’t have a consistent set-shot routine is absolutely scandalous. It’s an incredible failure on the part of both him and the club. I have no idea how it’s been allowed to happen.

He was actually pretty settled last year. Depending on where he was taking the shot from he'd use a different type of kick, including a snap around the body or deciding whether or not to play on. But he was consistent in that, in that part of the field he alway did the same type of routine. That's why I'm wondering if it has something to do with the change in coaching, because when Lloydy stopped working with him, he started working closely with Skipworth, sorted his shit out, and now Skippy is the mids coach and it's dodgy again. He does seem to be better after a few games though, starts slow. I'm hoping that's all it is

2017 and 2018 accuracy (totals)

• 3 games between Round 7 (Fremantle) and Round 21 (Adelaide) with less than three goals to his name - GWS, Sydney, North Melbourne. Pretty decent form otherwise. Averaged 66.1% accuracy through this period.
• 6 games all year with less than four shots at goal as well - Brisbane, Carlton, Fremantle, Sydney, North Melbourne, Gold Coast.
• Five of these six teams finished in the last five spots on the ladder last year. Not sure if this is because we share it around more against crap opponents or if he's spending more time up the ground in those games and not near goal?
• 4 games with 100% accuracy (Brisbane, Fremantle, West Coast, Port Adelaide). Might say more about their defence letting him get it in a good spot, than it does about Joe.
• Averaging 4.88 shots on goal over the season. Accuracy season average 59.11%

• So far has not kicked more than two goals in a game. This time last year he was averaging two goals per game, but with a 4 and a 0 to balance it.
• Averaging 4.6 shots on goal in the first five rounds of 2017, averaging 3.6 shots on goal this year. Less supply from the midfield? Lower workrate? Teammates not getting opponents out of the way?
• Accuracy average is 38%, this time last year was 57.5% accuracy.

The more I stare at this the less it seems comparable. Too many other factors not taken into consideration


2017 and 2018 accuracy (percentage)


Couple of shockers there... so many ootf against GWS and Gold Coast! That Melbourne game last year was a joke too.



This shows that his accuracy has improved over the first five rounds, but with so few data points (even in a given week he didn't have enough shots to really draw a percentage from it), I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion with any certainty.

 

[brutus76]

i can't play. I'm 41 out of shape and for past 21 weeks have a broken leg.
I have a metal rod which was drilled and hammered into my tibia that's 2 feet long and half inch thick. Bionic man!
Even when i'm recovered i'll probably need to tweak my action as my right leg is now shorter than my left.

I went to a few Lions training sessions last year and Ben Hudson was their forwards coach and they never practiced and kicked 55% in 2017. Woeful.
They don't practice. In my playing days 20 minutes after each session, Usually 10 kicks at each end from different angles.
NRL and Union players practice, why not AFL? That's why Cameron Smith is so good - he prepares.
Same reason why Warne and McGrath were so good - put the ball on the spot over after over after over.

 

[faible]

I went to a few Lions training sessions last year and Ben Hudson was their forwards coach and they never practiced and kicked 55% in 2017. Woeful.

Honestly doesn’t surprise me that (some) clubs don’t practice this.

They’re so fixated on sports science and every player being at their exact percentage of game time, fitness, aerobic capacity, and yet the basics of the game seem to be getting lost.

Players kicking 20 extra set shots a day under fatigue is 20 extra chances to hurt something and need rehab, so sports science says no is the gist of what Scott seemed to say about Ben Brown.

Scott just then tells them to get stuffed whilst I’m gathering many / most other coaches would take their advice and stop the player from taking the shots.

 

[ant555]

Not just a lack of practice but a lack of practicing the correct methods.
On game day it is a concentration / routine issue. For the life of me I do not know why Joe does not just line up to the left of the left goal post and use his natural action which with his leg swing goes left to right. Most of the time he runs at the middle of the goals and it sails right. Other players you can see in their run in that they kick the ball directly where they run ie at the points, through the points.
Another issue that annoys me is spinning the ball. How do you get your ball drop set if you are continually spinning the ball ?