Play Nice Goal Umpire costs Adelaide a shot at finals, how do you stop it from happening again?

Should Adelaide appeal the result vs Sydney (poll reset with new option)

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stevothedevo

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Because there's a rule written for the interchange infringement

There's no such ruling for reviewing points

If you're arguing for it to be added, ok. But they can't just make that s**t up as they go during the game

I don't understand why not. Plenty of things go wrong at my work and I don't sit there and go "oh well, no rule book for that. I'll do nothing"

I can imagine Keithy and Terry in the ARC when the behind was called.....

Keithy : "Hey Terry. Why don't you check that one out. Just for shits and giggles"
Terry : "No worries........................ Um. You better get the ump on the line. That was a goal"
Keithy: "Nah"
 
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Fmd you should hear 5AA this morning. Stephen Rowe “you port flogs, I hate you, I hate you and I hope you go out in straight sets”.

Where’s our outpouring of sympathy from SA media when JJ hits the post or the umpires give double frees to the oppo.
its 2023 who listens to the radio?
 

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Regarding the replay - leaving the result as it stands also sets a terrible precedent though, because they've already admitted that if it were reviewed it would have been given a goal. Adelaide weren't given any opportunity to review.
It doesn’t really set a precedent at all though. That precedent has been set over the last century and a half that this game has existed… do you really think in that whole time no team was ever on the wrong end of a bad umpiring decision that may have cost them a game? We didn’t replay any of those to my knowledge.
 

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Given how the 4th quarter was going. Adelaide would have won out. Sydney had kicked 1 behind the entire quarter.
Hardly going to award games based on gut feel.
You might as well give the 4 points to whomever was favourite with the bookies at the time a bad decision was made.

There's been a couple of games this year where teams have been over run in the last qtr, gone down with a minute to go, then won the game in the last minute. Port Adel v Essendon for one.
 

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Regarding the replay - leaving the result as it stands also sets a terrible precedent though, because they've already admitted that if it were reviewed it would have been given a goal. Adelaide weren't given any opportunity to review.
Sorry, but the precedent is that the umpires / appointed match officials are the sole determinant of the game outcome, its application of the rules, and the final score. Regardless of whether they make massive mistakes or not.

Only external events outside the umpires control (sirengate) or deliberate "mistakes" (ie cheating) would be overruled.
 

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That’s all very well for you to say, you were on the right side of a wrong decision. Anything to make sure Sydney get into the finals.

So you believe the AFL instructed the goal umpire to make that call?

Were the other umpires in on this too or just the goal umpire.

Genuinely interested to hear how deep the conspiracy goes.
 
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They don't review behinds, only goals, because of reasons.
You can't work out the reasons? Really?

A goal... the play has already stopped, time to review.
A point... teams can play on once the signal has been completed... teams try and move it quickly before the other side can set-up their zone... review every point and the game slows down, teams have more times to set-up zones. It's just not realistic or good for the game to review every point.

There is no point overcomplicating this issue - it was a tight one that the goal umpire should've reviewed, as he is entitled to do if he thinks it's necessary.
 

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It doesn’t really set a precedent at all though. That precedent has been set over the last century and a half that this game has existed… do you really think in that whole time no team was ever on the wrong end of a bad umpiring decision that may have cost them a game? We didn’t replay any of those to my knowledge.

The 'precedent' set over the much of the last century was based on the acceptance of human fallacy due lack of technology to review decisions. Field umpiring decisions are not subject to video review, nor should they be as while they are based on application of rules they involve some subjectivity.

But whether a kick is awarded as goal or point should not have any subjectivity, unless the vision is inconclusive - which is why the video review system was introduced. This instance involved not only the incorrect decision (fair enough it happens), but it was not reviewed. The AFL then admit that had it been reviewed it would have been awarded a goal.

Whilst I don't think a replay is feasible, if the kick had been just before the siren or after the siren and for some reason not reviewed, then surely the result of the game would have been reversed. the Sirengate game set the precedent that the result of a game can be reversed where the umpires have been in error (in the case due to not signalling the end of the game when the siren went)

It was only the 40 seconds left on the clock which saves Sydney. You're wrong to compare this to 'any team that lost a game to a bad decision'. AFL know its a royal screw up and almost unprecedented, which is why McLaughlin was giving a press conference the next morning and doing his typical thing of still deflecting blame - in this case that it was Adelaide's fault they were cheated, it never would have happened if they hadnt kicked badly :rolleyes:
 
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Crows fans when they get their usual Adelaide Oval umpiring are very quiet. But yeah 'Victorian' bias...

The victim complex is absolutely hilarious. Play the victim as much as you want, it's funny.

Fourth in free kick differential from 2017-2021
Free kicks aren't meant to be even but if there was any shred of bias it would be notable over a large sample size. But yeah it must be some massive conspiracy.

Sixth in terms of free kick differentials in 2022..

But yeah guys the SA teams are umpired differently. That league wide conspriacy is real.

You copped an unacceptable stinker on Saturday night but beyond that you get good umpiring and bad umpiring for and against you like every other club in the competition. Suggesting otherwise is just stupid.
 

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Crows fans when they get their usual Adelaide Oval umpiring are very quiet. But yeah 'Victorian' bias...

The victim complex is absolutely hilarious. Play the victim as much as you want, it's funny.

Fourth in free kick differential from 2017-2021
Free kicks aren't meant to be even but if there was any shred of bias it would be notable over a large sample size. But yeah it must be some massive conspiracy.

Sixth in terms of free kick differentials in 2022..

But yeah guys the SA teams are umpired differently. That league wide conspriacy is real.

You copped an unacceptable stinker on Saturday night but beyond that you get good umpiring and bad umpiring for and against you like every other club in the competition. Suggesting otherwise is just stupid.
You’d have thought a Tigers fan would’ve watched the first half of the 2017 Grand Final, and hence have the sense not to discuss umpiring…
 

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The totally risible thing here is that a system which was brought in to correct obvious errors relies on the person who may have made the errror to decide whether to use the technology. Built in systemic fail.
Needs an in-built redundancy. Arc speak to any of the THREE field umps using an ear piece. Field ump chats with goal ump and calls review.

Absurd that we have three field umps and three people sitting up in Arc - all sitting on their ass not being able to do anything.
 
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You’d have thought a Tigers fan would’ve watched the first half of the 2017 Grand Final, and hence have the sense not to discuss umpiring…
hahaha another conspiracy. those pesky, meddling umpires to blame for your.... (checks notes) 48 points Grand Final loss...

You can't make this up. The inferiority complex grows as does the level of conspiracy/obsession.
 

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Obviously nothing can be done about the result now. You could successfully argue that the point was a goal, but you can't argue what would/wouldn't have happened for the remaining 1:10 of the game.

I actually liked Joey's idea on first crack last night.
Get rid of in game requests for reviews by umpires. Let the goal umpire make his call at the time and continue on as normal. They said that 90% of the time the umps call is correct). Every score gets reviewed by ARC. If it was a goal, they have 25 seconds to review as normal (they said the average review takes 21 seconds). If it's a behind, play continues, but if the review finds an error, you blow the whistle, halt play, reset as per the review (change behind to goal, go for centre bounce, etc) and adjust the clock back to what it should be.
You would end up with less interruptions and score integrity is much higher.
 

WillHayward

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Given the AFL is addicted to gambling money - there should be a fail safe system anyhow.
Cant have so much power in one individual which opens the game up gambling fixes.

Its hard to believe the AFL is so dumb and yet Gillon gets so much praise just because hes slick, handone, tall, wears nice suits and has a faux posh accent. Its embarrassing.
 

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I actually liked Joey's idea on first crack last night.
Get rid of in game requests for reviews by umpires. Let the goal umpire make his call at the time and continue on as normal. They said that 90% of the time the umps call is correct). Every score gets reviewed by ARC. If it was a goal, they have 25 seconds to review as normal (they said the average review takes 21 seconds). If it's a behind, play continues, but if the review finds an error, you blow the whistle, halt play, reset as per the review (change behind to goal, go for centre bounce, etc) and adjust the clock back to what it should be.
You would end up with less interruptions and score integrity is much higher.
It's not the worst idea, but it's not without its problems and nor would it necessarily have overturned the umpire's call on Saturday night. 25 seconds from the initial decision really doesn't leave a whole lot of time (the average is skewed by the easy ones). It's entirely possible they'd have reviewed and decided the evidence didn't conclusively show it was incorrect.
 

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Crows fans when they get their usual Adelaide Oval umpiring are very quiet. But yeah 'Victorian' bias...

The victim complex is absolutely hilarious. Play the victim as much as you want, it's funny.

Fourth in free kick differential from 2017-2021
Free kicks aren't meant to be even but if there was any shred of bias it would be notable over a large sample size. But yeah it must be some massive conspiracy.

Sixth in terms of free kick differentials in 2022..

But yeah guys the SA teams are umpired differently. That league wide conspriacy is real.

You copped an unacceptable stinker on Saturday night but beyond that you get good umpiring and bad umpiring for and against you like every other club in the competition. Suggesting otherwise is just stupid.
Talking about free kicks how is it even possible the Saints only infringed 5 times against Cats Sat pm?

Ridiculous
Umpires are terrible this year
 

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What a cheesy ass season the swans have had. Interchange infringement, 200 points, played in some of the worst games to watch (Saints/cats) and now this.
 
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