god help us

[kirky]

Well, its less than 24 hours after the election and Howard on the news stated that they won it because of their economic record. Well, blow me down with a feather. All I seem to recall on their advertising over the past week and in the papers on Friday and Saturday was "We will decide who comes to Australia". Its great to see the spin doctors are alive and kicking.

I was obviously on another planet. Still good luck to them, I fear the force will not be with them.

 

[Blues_Brat]

It is 'Labor', not 'Labour'.

http://www.alp.org.au/

'Labor' is the name of the party and being a name it can be spelled which ever way they choose, the australian version of toil is spelt 'labour'.

The names are a furphy anyway. The Liberal Party could hardly be described as 'liberal'.

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat
It is 'Labor', not 'Labour'.

http://www.alp.org.au/

'Labor' is the name of the party and being a name it can be spelled which ever way they choose, the australian version of toil is spelt 'labour'.

The names are a furphy anyway. The Liberal Party could hardly be described as 'liberal'.

Good point on the spelling of Labor. The Liberal Party is so called because when it was founded, it signified the encouragement of the liberal concept of free trade.

 

[mantis]

Re: Re: Re: Re: god help us

Originally posted by Shinboners

$70,000 (2 parents on $35,000 each) doesn't go far if you've got a mortgage, a car to run, and kids to feed and send to school.

Shinners
You have turned it around to two people with kids getting $70,000 between them, I was responding to someone saying a single person getting $70,000 deserved more breaks than someone earning $35,000. go back & read the post I was responding too, they said because they went to private schools & spent a lot of time at Uni, they deserved more.

 

[mantis]

Re: Re: god help us

Originally posted by Chilli Afterglow


Do you really think that Labor would care for all classes? I personally don't think so!

I think they would have perpetuated their eat the rich line in favour of the little working class battler. It is just that their idea of rich is misguided. When Labor think "rich", they are not just referring to your average Toorak/Brighton type elite. Their idea of rich also happens to include the bulk of middle Australia as well.

Take the previous election for example. Labor's offering to ease the tax plight was to screw the rich and cut some slack to the poor. By there scheme, someone on $35,000 per year would get the best breaks while someone on $70,000 would get basically nothing.

Thing is that middle Australia are either the ones on $70,000 pa or the ones who are aspiring to get to that point. The majority of people who have come out of University and are working professionally would fit into this group.

Middle Australia does cover a significant portion of the Australian population but is one group that Labor has failed to win over, mainly because it has been lumped in with the rich with Beazley's thoughless mantra.

Just to clarify Shinners, this was the post I was repsonding too, no mention of the person being married with kids, just one person earning that money.

 

[Chilli Afterglow]

Re: Re: Re: god help us

Originally posted by mantis


Just to clarify Shinners, this was the post I was repsonding too, no mention of the person being married with kids, just one person earning that money.

Just to clarify even further Mantis, I did in a later post amend that to a single income family with an income of $70,000. I do apoligise for the ambiguity in the first post.

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Originally posted by Chilli Afterglow
Please correct me if I am wrong, but did I once read that Frodo was part Aboriginal?

And Dipper, Frodo was merely pointing out that you were both lambasting the Liberal voting public for being borderline racists while in the same breath slagging of the the English migrants.

English migrants tend to be of the Anglo-Saxon race and your comments in singling them out entirely on this basis is nothing else but racist.

Methinks you are too smart for your own good!

Oh hello, frodo has a foot maiden...

I did not slag off the pom...er english migrants - I stated something which numerous political commentators agree with, namely, WA with its high proportion of English migrants, produced a strong swing back to the coalition. Particularly in seats with a strong english population mix (ie Canning). This swing, according to many pundits (and I agree) had a lot to do with the english migrant population being particularly taken by howards xenophobic call to arms.

Highly ironic wouldn't you think?

What part aboriginal are you frodo

 

[mantis]

Re: Re: Re: Re: god help us

Originally posted by Chilli Afterglow


Just to clarify even further Mantis, I did in a later post amend that to a single income family with an income of $70,000. I do apoligise for the ambiguity in the first post.

Yes I noticed the sudden switch you made when I attacked you for your comments saying people on $70,000 should get more benefits than someone on $30,000, suddenly you brought in a wife and kids, that wasn't in your original post, you were talking about single people going to Uni as opposed to those that didn't, so people who don't have money or an opportunity of an education, deserve to live in poverty.

 

[mantis]

Re: Re: Re: Re: god help us

Originally posted by Shinboners


Um.....just like those middle class families with BOTH parents working so they can send their kids to private schools....y'know, private schools that employ teachers.....and not forgetting those cars which need to be made in Australian factories (oh yeah, there are workers there) and build holiday homes (yep, more employment there too). You can't have it both ways....first by supporting S11 and jobs going "overseas" and then in the next breath, slag of middle class Australia who do the spending that results in jobs for other Australians.

Any fair country depends on a large and vibrant middle class. The Australian middle class is shrinking. If we had it your way, we'd have everyone being equally poor. But at least by helping to create the opportunities to help people become "middle class", then maybe we'd have the chance to create the egalatarian society that we all crave.

Shinners I hope you never have to try & survive on $25,000 a year, electricity, gas, phone, food, clothes, all with GST. good luck would you like to swap with me for a month.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by JUBJUB


This isn't England

It seems Howard would like it to be ..

 

[Yassar Arafat]

Thank God the Kim Beazley and his socialists cronies were cast into the dustbin of failures where they can look at their other comrades who have sufferedthe same fate.

WHy would people vote for a party which in reality adopted the same policies as the Liberals when the Liberals were already there doing a good job of implementing their policies?

And why did the Greens get so many votes? Is it because the abandoned Labor's racist "immigration" policy? It is the same poilcy as the LIbs and the Labor people have called that racist, so ipsi facto, the Labor policy is racist too!

Please make Crean the sfellower leader for the next election. His sfellow will be enough to give a swing to the LIbs of 5% alone!

Three more years in the wilderness for our comrades....of course they are very used to it by now!

Sooky Sooky La La!!!!!!

 

[Pessimistic]

Originally posted by Yassar Arafat
Thank God the Kim Beazley and his socialists cronies were cast into the dustbin of failures where they can look at their other comrades who have sufferedthe same fate.

WHy would people vote for a party which in reality adopted the same policies as the Liberals when the Liberals were already there doing a good job of implementing their policies?

And why did the Greens get so many votes? Is it because the abandoned Labor's racist "immigration" policy? It is the same poilcy as the LIbs and the Labor people have called that racist, so ipsi facto, the Labor policy is racist too!

Please make Crean the sfellower leader for the next election. His sfellow will be enough to give a swing to the LIbs of 5% alone!

Three more years in the wilderness for our comrades....of course they are very used to it by now!

Sooky Sooky La La!!!!!!

I actually think Crean will wear howard down bit by bit. The 'new' liberal ministers being quoted in the papare don't exactly fill yoiu with pride.

Khoward would do well to pass over a few (Hill, Downer, Bishop etc) and get some new blood. otherwise it could be a cleanout lie John Major in Britain, a government seen to have done one term too long...

Congratulations to Howard, although I did enjoy seeing him squirm on thursday night.

 

[BrisGirl]

Not everyone who sends their children to Private Schools are 'rich'.

I know a couple of people who work very hard to be able to send their child to a Private School. They see it as an achievement and are proud of the fact that they can do it for their child as they see it as their way of making a better life for their child.

If you work, you all pay taxes. Some of your tax goes to schools regardless if you have children or not. You can not begrudge people who want the best or their perception of it, for their children and work hard to make it happen.

With the home mortgage rates down, gives poeple the opportunity to send their children private Schools, and that opportunity is given to everyone. (Private Schools fees can vary from $1500 to $7000 a year, depending on the School)

You could spend up to $1500 a year on cigarettes, it just depends on your priorities.

And please do not forget, it is all working men and women that contribute to Social welfare. If it comforts you, the higher wage you earn the higher rate you are taxed. Once you work hard enough to earn the money you strived to achieve, you are taxed half of it.......48% of it goes to the Government. Makes you wonder if it is worth trying to achieve the high wage.

 

[Yassar Arafat]

Originally posted by Pessimistic


I actually think Crean will wear howard down bit by bit. The 'new' liberal ministers being quoted in the papare don't exactly fill yoiu with pride.

Khoward would do well to pass over a few (Hill, Downer, Bishop etc) and get some new blood. otherwise it could be a cleanout lie John Major in Britain, a government seen to have done one term too long...

Congratulations to Howard, although I did enjoy seeing him squirm on thursday night.

...but not half as much as I enjoyed watching Beasley and his cronies squirm on saturday night.

Crean is just another ACTU president who thinks it is his god given right to be leader of the Australian Socialists.

Let's hope as the son of a former discredited Labor politician he has more ticker in him than the last son of a former Labor politician who led the party.

I must say the best part of Saturday night was watching Kernot tryin to be gracious but still coming across as the vindictive bithc that she is.....no Austrlians like traitors.

And that twerp Michael Lee looks like losing his seat........what a prick he is. Now all you need to get rid of in the Labor party arte the following twerps:- Falkiner, Bolkus, Ferguson, Lawrence, McMullan, Macklin......I'll stop now I am getting tired typing them all in!!!!!!!!!

See ya later Labor Party suckers/losers!

 

[powerboi]

Originally posted by Pessimistic


I actually think Crean will wear howard down bit by bit. The 'new' liberal ministers being quoted in the papare don't exactly fill yoiu with pride.

Khoward would do well to pass over a few (Hill, Downer, Bishop etc) and get some new blood. otherwise it could be a cleanout lie John Major in Britain, a government seen to have done one term too long...

You know what we need in Parliament ... a trading period

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Frodo
[ ie YOU. Such irrationality, blind faith and closed ears is rarely seen]

Well yes it is

we see it in you the other way

You are a right wing clone Frodo

Get some thoughts of your own

It is you that is full of hate for the Union movement.

You are a hypocrite.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Yassar Arafat


...but not half as much as I enjoyed watching Beasley and his cronies squirm on saturday night.

Crean is just another ACTU president who thinks it is his god given right to be leader of the Australian Socialists.

Let's hope as the son of a former discredited Labor politician he has more ticker in him than the last son of a former Labor politician who led the party.

I must say the best part of Saturday night was watching Kernot tryin to be gracious but still coming across as the vindictive bithc that she is.....no Austrlians like traitors.

And that twerp Michael Lee looks like losing his seat........what a prick he is. Now all you need to get rid of in the Labor party arte the following twerps:- Falkiner, Bolkus, Ferguson, Lawrence, McMullan, Macklin......I'll stop now I am getting tired typing them all in!!!!!!!!!

See ya later Labor Party suckers/losers!

Once again you show your complete lack of maturity

Are you realted to Peter Costello???

If you are happy with being shackled with racist scaremongerers then good for you.

 

[Fat Red]

why do we all seem to barrack for parties as though they were footy teams?

 

[1AD]

Originally posted by Jars458



Once again you show your complete lack of maturity

Are you realted to Peter Costello???

If you are happy with being shackled with racist scaremongerers then good for you.

And to think with the LIbs in power anyone with a name like Yassar Arafat has NO chance of getting in


LIBERALS LOVE COLOUR....KHAKI AND RACE!!

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by Fat Red
why do we all seem to barrack for parties as though they were footy teams?

Because there is no footy on at the moment and we are having withdrawal symptons! If this election was held in September instead, this topics would hardly get a look in!

 

[Yassar Arafat]

Originally posted by Jars458



Once again you show your complete lack of maturity

Are you realted to Peter Costello???

If you are happy with being shackled with racist scaremongerers then good for you.

Racist Scremongers? Isnt it showing your immaturity by spitting the dummy and criticising the Labor/Liberal policy on immigration?

Tut tut Mr Black Pot.

 

[Yassar Arafat]

Originally posted by 1AD


And to think with the LIbs in power anyone with a name like Yassar Arafat has NO chance of getting in


LIBERALS LOVE COLOUR....KHAKI AND RACE!!

Hey idiot....what about Costello, is than an anglo name?

Bigot.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Yassar Arafat


Racist Scremongers? Isnt it showing your immaturity by spitting the dummy and criticising the Labor/Liberal policy on immigration?

Tut tut Mr Black Pot.

How is it immature to criticise a racist policy

and yes I do criticise both major parties

neither of which I voted for

So there is no black pot!

 

[Yassar Arafat]

It is not a racist policy.

These people are not true refugees.

If htey were they would abandon Afghanistan and head for Pakistan the closest Islamic country where there are many Afghans at the moment.

But no, they figure they can get in anywhere they want so they stop off at a number of countries and then head for Australia. Forget the poor bastards who go throught he right processes, we have money and we can do what we want and you should od wnat we wnat as well.

My parents went through the proper process when they eventually came here on a refugee passport after being in a refugee camp for two years in Greece.

Let them apply off shore, if they qualify let them in regardless of race creed or culture

How is that racist? It is easy to tar somone with the "racist brush" but it really is a load of crap.

 

[1AD]

Originally posted by Yassar Arafat


Hey idiot....what about Costello, is than an anglo name?

Bigot.

Costello?...doesn't sound Anglo

Bigot....sorry no,

= sarcasm dikhead