Goddard

[aussierulesrules]

> Goddard is superstar
> Interested in joining Essendon
> Becomes a hack overnight

BigFooty logic.

I wouldn't worry about it. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll come out next year and go BANG (as long as his body is sound and he has a full preseason) and put them all back in their box pretty quickly smart.

He isn't a hack, but even Essendon supporters have to admit that his last two years have been poor compared to the rest of his career. He gets tagged out of games far too easily.

He has been in the past two years, but if there is anyone out there that reckons he wasn't being regularly tagged in 2009/2010, when he was playing far better footy and playing predominantly in the midfield, they are deluded.

Even Cameron Ling commented earlier this year on channel 7 how hard he found it to stop Goddard when he was playing on him, so if Ling found it hard to stop him, he is not tagged out far too easily (at least when he is fully fit, which he clearly wasn't last year (when he injured his hip in round one and it needed surgery, but he played the rest of the season with it.).

Not sure what his deal was this year (although I think he was trying too hard, like Cloke, with the contract coming up), but he definitely hasn't had the same amount of mobility since he injured that hip. When was the last time anyone saw him fly for the screamers he was going for every second week at the end of 2010, for instance?

If gets a full pre-season under his belt this summer and is injury-free, I fully expect we'll see him back much closer to the Goddard we saw in 2009/2010, next year.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

This is the Essendon we know and love.

Act quick, make shit happen and get what's needed. The powerhouse is slowly returning one step at a time.

You haven't got him yet all you've done is given St Kilda the last bit of info it needed to make it's final offer. Remember at St Kilda he will be eligible for the veterans rule over the coming years.

 

[Ron]

Part of the deal of him coming over was time in the midfield. Remember that Stanton and Watson are our key play makers- You can't tag three players at once.

True, but you can tag two of them quite easily.

You wouldn't bother tagging Watson, as he will get the ball anyway so a tag on him wont diminish his returns much. But sitting someone on Stanton and Goddard can really take them out of the game.

But this is all hypothetical anyway, we will have to wait till next year to see which way the Bombers set up.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Part of the deal of him coming over was time in the midfield. Remember that Stanton and Watson are our key play makers- You can't tag three players at once.

He's not a ball winner, either is Stanton.. that's your problem.

When Goddard is tagged he isn't only completely useless, he loses his cool and gives away undisciplined free kicks. All good midfielders need to accept a tag and learn to deal with it, his temper won't allow him to. TBO I think he's a lot more useful kicking out of defence anyway. Not 700k worth though.

 

[Kyptastic]

Both Watson and Goddard will be 29 in 2014, it'll be a pretty short window if thats when it opens. Goddard will be a great pickup for the Bombers, but you don't pick up a 27 year old of his caliber expecting results 2 years down the road, his impact will be expected to be immediate. I think without the injuries and consistent performance throughout the year by your key players Essendon can make top 4, the key will just be pacing the players. 2 years in a row Essendon have exploded out of the blocks only to fall away horribly at the end of the year, if Hird can get the balance right there's no reason Essendon can't play quality football all the way through the year and be there to compete at the pointy end.

Firstly, we won 6 out of our last 10 matches (3 without Watson) in 2011. It was our middle of the year that really hurt us in 2011. Granted, this year we fell off a cliff, but it's not any sort of pattern of performance that people have been suggesting.

Secondly, the way I see it the club had two choices. Try to win a flag in the next couple of years before GC and GWS start making it difficult for others to get a look in, or go for a rebuild and concentrate on more youth. Most people in this thread seem to think that Essendon should go for the second option, but you'd basically be telling people like Jobe Watson and Brent Stanton 'thanks for all the hard work you've put in, but we're giving up on winning the premiership whilst you're still around. Have fun'. Getting a player like Goddard is all about giving it a huge crack whilst we have a few good players around before other teams make it too difficult.

 

[Slattery_20]

True, but you can tag two of them quite easily.

You wouldn't bother tagging Watson, as he will get the ball anyway so a tag on him wont diminish his returns much. But sitting someone on Stanton and Goddard can really take them out of the game.

How often do you see two dedicated tags?

Goddard instead of either <insert our worst midfielder> or <insert our worst small backman> will either free up himself/Stanton/Zaharakis through the middle, or Dempsey/Heppell off half-back.

And (and this keeps getting missed) he'll be our best kick. That was where Collingwood fell down this year IMHO, where Freo fell over - never goes out of style.

 

[go team]

He's not a ball winner, either is Stanton.. that's your problem.

When Goddard is tagged he isn't only completely useless, he loses his cool and gives away undisciplined free kicks. All good midfielders need to accept a tag and learn to deal with it, his temper won't allow him to. TBO I think he's a lot more useful kicking out of defence anyway. Not 700k worth though.

Rumor is, Saints will sign him and are trading him to Geelong!

 

[aussierulesrules]

You haven't got him yet all you've done is given St Kilda the last bit of info it needed to make it's final offer. Remember at St Kilda he will be eligible for the veterans rule over the coming years.

If we still wanted him, we've had all year to sign him. We could have gotten him more cheaply up until a few days ago, so why would we want to wait until now, to match Essendon's higher offer? That would have to be some of the dumbest list management in history (unless we then want to trade him, which wouldn't surprise me).

The fact that he is eligible for the veteran's list with us next year just makes it even more clear that we pushed him out the door and didn't want him to stay. With $115K per year of his next contract outside the cap, it would have cost us even less (inside the cap) to keep him, if we really wanted to.

 

[Slattery_20]

He's not a ball winner, either is Stanton.. that's your problem.

When Goddard is tagged he isn't only completely useless, he loses his cool and gives away undisciplined free kicks. All good midfielders need to accept a tag and learn to deal with it, his temper won't allow him to.

Where has this come from?

He gave away 17 free kicks this year. Average of 0.8. That's not a lot for anyone spending time down back.

0.8 per game puts him right alongside guys like Mackie/Christensen, and way less than guys like Scarlett (1.25) Pods (1.22) Corey (1.75) & Bartel (1.10).

 

[Believe Me]

Would love to see collingwood make a big play and steal the man from essendon

 

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[VelvetSledge]

Would love to see collingwood make a big play and steal the man from essendon

Even Eddie can't increase your salary cap that much.

 

[Jade]

Would love to see collingwood make a big play and steal the man from essendon

Ha ha..... I'm sure you would.

 

[frednirk]

How many of the following has Goddard won

- Norm Smith
- Stkilda MVP
- Brownlow
- AFL players association MVP

Goddard is a great player with a lot of skill. But he is very undisciplined, hates the niggle, doesn't win the hard ball like Hayes.

He is the best long kicker of the football in the league though, which can be punishing for any opposition team.

I just wish he didn't slag off his team mates so much on the field. Looks shit. Riewoldt did some of that this year as well.

 

[Ambrosia]

He isn't a hack, but even Essendon supporters have to admit that his last two years have been poor compared to the rest of his career. He gets tagged out of games far too easily.

Also i don't believe he will fix any of Essendon's weaknesses. He is a good pickup because you wont lose anything to get him, the salary cap space wont matter much because you don't have much in the way of promising youngsters you need to sign.

It will be interesting to see what position the Bombers play him in, as his favoured role as loose on the half back flank is already occupied by a few players at Essendon.

At the start of the year it was the case but by the end of the season with Heppell and Dempsey up the ground and Fletcher injured (doesn't play loose anyway) we struggled to bring the ball out of the backline. Just watch the Richmond game for example.

 

[Jade]

You haven't got him yet all you've done is given St Kilda the last bit of info it needed to make it's final offer. Remember at St Kilda he will be eligible for the veterans rule over the coming years.

NEWSFLASH

St Kilda can't make any more offers; they either match the one he has received, or lose him.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

NEWSFLASH

St Kilda can't make any more offers; they either match the one he has received, or lose him.

Pretty sure that St Kilda can still make a counter offer and Goddard can choose to accept it or move to Essendon freely. If St Kilda match Essendons offer he can choose to stay with St Kilda, request a trade or enter the draft.

 

[Jade]

Pretty sure that St Kilda can still make a counter offer and Goddard can choose to accept it or move to Essendon freely. If St Kilda match Essendons offer he can choose to stay with St Kilda, request a trade or enter the draft.

No, they can't.

Think of it this way, Goddard has signed a contract, stipulating terms.

What remains to be seen is who his employer will be.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

- Norm Smith
- Stkilda MVP
- Brownlow
- AFL players association MVP

Hmm.

How many of them has Dal Santo won?

The Ian Stewart Medal. That's what he's got.

Mitch Morton hasn't got within a bull's roar of any of those, but he's achieved the only thing that matters in the game. That's the only thing I'd be asking Goddard to do.

(And that something is being Richmond's leading goalkicker).

 

[Kayaz]

Where has this come from?

He gave away 17 free kicks this year. Average of 0.8. That's not a lot for anyone spending time down back.

0.8 per game puts him right alongside guys like Mackie/Christensen, and way less than guys like Scarlett (1.25) Pods (1.22) Corey (1.75) & Bartel (1.10).

Those stats are cute bro, they arent even relative to what the person you quoted is saying, he is implying that when he gets tagged he gives away free kicks due to frustration, im sure that average of 0.8 is increased if you take out the games he wasnt tagged in.

 

[Slattery_20]

Those stats are cute bro, they arent even relative to what the person you quoted is saying, he is implying that when he gets tagged he gives away free kicks due to frustration, im sure that average of 0.8 is increased if you take out the games he wasnt tagged in.

So what are you saying? That other than the few games he's tagged, he never gives away a single free kick at all? If so, that sounds like a good thing.

0.8 per game isn't much at all, it's a little bit below average. Non-issue.

Pretty sure that St Kilda can still make a counter offer and Goddard can choose to accept it or move to Essendon freely. If St Kilda match Essendons offer he can choose to stay with St Kilda, request a trade or enter the draft.

Pretty much.

 

[Sal Paradise]

Pretty sure that St Kilda can still make a counter offer and Goddard can choose to accept it or move to Essendon freely. If St Kilda match Essendons offer he can choose to stay with St Kilda, request a trade or enter the draft.

Would be amazing if he stayed at St Kilda after all this. Could still happen though.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

wow, good thread BigFooty

 

[Badesumofu]

St. Kilda can't make a counter offer, they can match the one on the table or not. If they don't he's at Essendon. If they do, he can stay at the Saints, request a trade, or enter the draft. He automatically goes to Essendon if st. Kilda don't match the offer, but he doesn't automatically stay at the Saints if they do.

 

[mysainters]

He isn't a hack, but even Essendon supporters have to admit that his last two years have been poor compared to the rest of his career. He gets tagged out of games far too easily.

Also i don't believe he will fix any of Essendon's weaknesses. He is a good pickup because you wont lose anything to get him, the salary cap space wont matter much because you don't have much in the way of promising youngsters you need to sign.

It will be interesting to see what position the Bombers play him in, as his favoured role as loose on the half back flank is already occupied by a few players at Essendon.

Genuine reasons for his form.

I'm not about to pretend his crap.

Very unhappy with this move.

Especially when I hear the fanciful justifications of Saints fans thinking that somehow we'll be OK, and we'll get stars to our club for less than the FA market dictates?