Goddard

[mufassa]

What is wrong with you?

Can you not understand that FA means you pay a premium $$ so as not to have to give up picks or players. It is unlikely Goddar will perform to the $ we have paid, that is the compromise for giving up nothing. How can you not understand this?

Show me my post that calls him an over priced hack? You made this rubbish up.

One of three things will happen - over paid, correctly paid - under paid.

 

[mufassa]

So you have the ability to predict injury?
Please, tell me more.

More to do with your lack of depth and James Hird has never coached before. 11th was 100% correct. Not sure your injury list was that bad for best 22 missing. That ladder that came out had you mid table.

Did you make a prediction about Essendon at the start of the year? Happy to send you a note early next year so you know what to expect in 2013. May stop you getting your hopes up when you win early games again.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Show me my post that calls him an over priced hack? You made this rubbish up.

One of three things will happen - over paid, correctly paid - under paid.

Why are you ignoring everything else? You are impossible. You are alluding that we have erred, that he is nowhere near his old ability. You are providing misleading possession counts. You fail to understand the concept of overpaying being a necessity of FA. Who cares if you didn't use the word hack. You think we have overpaid, yet fail to understand that that is a requirement of FA, we have to out bid St Kilda to get him, as he is restricted.

The only way this will work out poorly for Essendon, is if he is seriously injured. Only you could try and intimate that Essendon has stuffed up by getting Goddard for free.

 

[mufassa]

Why are you ignoring everything else? You are impossible. You are alluding that we have erred, that he is nowhere near his old ability. You are providing misleading possession counts. You fail to understand the concept of overpaying being a necessity of FA. Who cares if you didn't use the word hack. You think we have overpaid, yet fail to understand that that is a requirement of FA, we have to out bid St Kilda to get him, as he is restricted.

The only way this will work out poorly for Essendon, is if he is seriously injured. Only you could try and intimate that Essendon has stuffed up by getting Goddard for free.

I am alluding to you winning as much as erring. It is a great signature - until he plays the 4 years no one knows if it was a great pick up. I would prefer to be Essendon and taking the punt - risk V reward to me is stacked heavily in your favour. Talent, experience and flexability is something he will bring to your club.

I 100% understand you have to go over the top with either payment or length of contact to secure the Goddards of the football world. I am not lost on this concept but he still needs to perform.

 

[RearNaked]

 

[Kaiser Powser]

I am alluding to you winning as much as erring. It is a great signature - until he plays the 4 years no one knows if it was a great pick up. I would prefer to be Essendon and taking the punt - risk V reward to me is stacked heavily in your favour. Talent, experience and flexability is something he will bring to your club.

I 100% understand you have to go over the top with either payment or length of contact to secure the Goddards of the football world. I am not lost on this concept but he still needs to perform.

So if you understand all that, why are you making such a big deal about his contract? it's hard to imagine he won't perform. Quality players play great football into their early 30's and I wholly expect Jobe and BJ to perform for the next 4 years, which will probably be our 'window'.

 

[Plugger35]

Disagree.

The guy thinks of himself as a midfielder, yet had to wait until Rd 18 to get 'his turn' in there.

I think that game he had 33 disp, 9 tackles, 5 clearances, 10 contested possessions.

'Opportunity' is exactly the relevant word here, which is probably why Hird mentioned it, and his manager mentioned.

Sure the money is handy, but the Saints invited him to test the market, and when you have an opposition coach telling you 'of course you get to play in the midfield'

I can see how it all happened to be honest...

I think you might be overstating that as a reason, Goddard has always played a variety of roles at half back, midfield and half forward, his versatility is his main strength. His roles this year weren't that much different to how he played under Lyon. He might get more midfield time at Essendon but I doubt he will play exclusively there, one of the problems of him playing midfield is that he can get tagged out of the game so needs to be thrown back or forward to shake a tag and have an impact.

You keep mentioning that Rd18 game where he played midfield but that was against the Western Bulldogs who were a rabble at that stage. Against stronger teams he had very little impact, when we played Melbourne earlier in the year McKenzie put a hard tag on him through the midfield and shut him almost completely out of the game.

I'm pretty sure the main reason he left was for more money and a longer contract, if we had offered that he probably would have stayed so I don't think the roles he played under Watters was the real reason for leaving. Players always give reasons other than money when they switch clubs as they don't want to look like a mercenary so they say things like "I'm going for more opportunities" or "I need a fresh start" etc. Even Ablett trotted out that stuff when he left for the Gold Coast when everyone knew he was only going because they offered him truckloads of cash.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Big win for the Dons, big loss for the Saints.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Even Ablett trotted out that stuff when he left for the Gold Coast when everyone knew he was only going because they offered him truckloads of cash.

Ablett wanted to lead a club, which he wasn't going to do at Geelong. The move makes more sense beyond just the money, it's a new frontier.

Similarly, Goddard wouldn't have gone to Melbourne on the same offer.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Big win for the Dons, big loss for the Saints.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

I think you might be overstating that as a reason, Goddard has always played a variety of roles at half back, midfield and half forward, his versatility is his main strength. His roles this year weren't that much different to how he played under Lyon. He might get more midfield time at Essendon but I doubt he will play exclusively there, one of the problems of him playing midfield is that he can get tagged out of the game so needs to be thrown back or forward to shake a tag and have an impact.

You keep mentioning that Rd18 game where he played midfield but that was against the Western Bulldogs who were a rabble at that stage. Against stronger teams he had very little impact, when we played Melbourne earlier in the year McKenzie put a hard tag on him through the midfield and shut him almost completely out of the game.

I'm pretty sure the main reason he left was for more money and a longer contract, if we had offered that he probably would have stayed so I don't think the roles he played under Watters was the real reason for leaving. Players always give reasons other than money when they switch clubs as they don't want to look like a mercenary so they say things like "I'm going for more opportunities" or "I need a fresh start" etc. Even Ablett trotted out that stuff when he left for the Gold Coast when everyone knew he was only going because they offered him truckloads of cash.

I have no doubt Brendon would have preferred to stay at the Saints. Money would be a big reason no doubt, but not the only reason, I think he thinks he is a better chance to achieve a premiership at Essendon. If Saints matched the offer, i reckon BJ would have been very content to remain a saint though.

 

[Plugger35]

Ablett wanted to lead a club, which he wasn't going to do at Geelong. The move makes more sense beyond just the money, it's a new frontier.

Similarly, Goddard wouldn't have gone to Melbourne on the same offer.

Those other reasons for Ablett leaving might be legit but I doubt he would have gone if Gold Coast didn't offer him twice as much as he could get at Geelong. He had to sacrifice the chance of short term success to go there and despite what he says I think he might be regretting the move.

You're probably right that Goddard wouldn't have gone to Melbourne for the same offer which is one of the problems with free agency as struggling clubs at the bottom of the ladder will find it harder to attract free agents than stronger more successful clubs and they will have to pay more to get anyone of note. Melbourne only got Mitch Clark because they paid way over the odds for him although he did justify his high price tag before he got injured.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Those other reasons for Ablett leaving might be legit but I doubt he would have gone if Gold Coast didn't offer him twice as much as he could get at Geelong. He had to sacrifice the chance of short term success to go there and despite what he says I think he might be regretting the move.

You're probably right that Goddard wouldn't have gone to Melbourne for the same offer which is one of the problems with free agency as struggling clubs at the bottom of the ladder will find it harder to attract free agents than stronger more successful clubs and they will have to pay more to get anyone of note. Melbourne only got Mitch Clark because they paid way over the odds for him although he did justify his high price tag before he got injured.

Yes, the money is a key component, but I think there are other things within the constuct of the sport itself that are appealing. Sheedy, for instance, seems to have a greater appreciation for the difficulties faced by interstate teams than before.

I think with Goddard missing out on two premierships by a bee's whatsit coupled with his age has shaped the decision. He rightly or wrongly believes that Essendon can push for a flag within his contract, or else he could have found more money elsewhere. Younger free agents who perhaps struggled for a position in their old club might go to clubs less well off. I use Chris Knights as an example of the type of player, although Richmond's position is obviously better than that of some other clubs.

I think that the likes of Port Adelaide and Melbourne can ultimately use FA to their advantage, it will just be deeper into the period than what we're seeing at the moment. When all's said and done I think it will balance out a bit. We're only 4 days in.

 

[Plugger35]

Yes, the money is a key component, but I think there are other things within the constuct of the sport itself that are appealing. Sheedy, for instance, seems to have a greater appreciation for the difficulties faced by interstate teams than before.

I think with Goddard missing out on two premierships by a bee's whatsit coupled with his age has shaped the decision. He rightly or wrongly believes that Essendon can push for a flag within his contract, or else he could have found more money elsewhere. Younger free agents who perhaps struggled for a position in their old club might go to clubs less well off. I use Chris Knights as an example of the type of player, although Richmond's position is obviously better than that of some other clubs.

I think that the likes of Port Adelaide and Melbourne can ultimately use FA to their advantage, it will just be deeper into the period than what we're seeing at the moment. When all's said and done I think it will balance out a bit. We're only 4 days in.

Well Goddard didn't want to leave Melbourne, he probably could have got more money if he moved interstate to Freo or GWS if they were interested. Essendon's offer was probably the best of the Melbourne based clubs.

 

[Rack Watts]

Did you make a prediction about Essendon at the start of the year? Happy to send you a note early next year so you know what to expect in 2013. May stop you getting your hopes up when you win early games again.

Yup, I don't remember what it was though, it didn't have us top 8, I think 10th.
I didn't get my hopes up, I knew the only teams we had actually beaten were WCE and Carlton.

 

[Slattery_20]

Until clubs come knocking on guys like Stanton and Ryders FA door?

FA giveth, but it also taketh away.

Locked away for 3 years (until 29yo) and 4 years (until 28yo) respectively. I'm sure we'll lose one or two along the way, but it won't be either of them IMHO.

 

[mufassa]

Yup, I don't remember what it was though, it didn't have us top 8, I think 10th.
I didn't get my hopes up, I knew the only teams we had actually beaten were WCE and Carlton.

If you don't remember it - find it. There is a locked prediction thread. Unless the prediction was all in your mind and only you know what you predicted? Predictable.......

 

[snitzel]

Goddard is a better than great pick up, everyone stfu.

 

[Cosmic Energy]

When you think about it, it's not like Goddard is going to a powerhouse club in terms of on field performance. Comparative to the Saints & even the Dogs for example the Dons have been struggling for some time. So in a way this trade is in the spirit of what you'd hope would happen - players shifting and filling holes at other clubs to hopefully give them boost. Putting aside the supposed financial power of Essendon and on field potential, they have been an ordinary football team for a long time.

So good on 'em, if it works. I hope the Dogs & Dees etc can snare some blokes to fill holes also.

 

[Can Opener]

great addition very happy

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

I hate Goddard and i hate Essendon. It has made my hating so much easier. Thanks Brendan.

 

[Beerfish]

I hate Goddard and i hate Essendon. It has made my hating so much easier. Thanks Brendan.

 

[Bollox]

No 800k is worth every cent for his 2010 form. If he gets back to that then you have had a win - 800k is overs on 2012 form. Your opinion is this is incorrect?

Problem is...when trying to attract class to your club you have no chance when they're in form and justifying the big $.
Every trade carries an element of risk...childish for people to think their club should "chase" guys who are having monster seasons at the time. With free agency more guys that have "out of the box" big seasons will entertain a big offer, but that carries a heightened risk wondering if its a one off.

This bloke is a no brainer as a trade, and with the likelihood of captaincy for him where he was and the added $ and security, he simply must have had his reasons for leaving. No guarantees he will get the captaincy at the Dons and if u cant win a flag surely captaincy of an AFL club is about as big an honour as it gets. So there's a story in this somewhere thats not being spoken, but thats HIS business and kudos for leaving it on the field so to speak. Maybe the journo's will find out what happened between him and his club one day.

Big $ ?...geeezus if this guy doesnt qualify for it very few would. If i could choose maybe 5-10 guys he'd be one, 2011/12 form simply gives u a chance at it, rather than trying to throw a pebble saying he's overrated...Dons are jumping at the opportunity and good on em.

Risk ? always there but must take it to transform a list to go the extra mile. Class is what they lack and they just recruited the bloke the Vic Country coach once said was the "greatest kick he had ever seen" at junior level, #1 draft pick, All Austrailan, proven on the big stage, plenty of miles left in the tyres, can play anywhere PLUS leadership material...hates to lose. He supplies just about everything.
If you;ve played much footy you'd know what its like when a new big name arrives...it is LIFTING.

When he drills his first 60m flat kick off his left at training their entire list will go FARRRRRRKKKK...standards go up, expectations go up, confidence goes up, players feel their slots are threatened...flow thru effect. Hird knows that. Perhaps they've been gnawing away at him after hours since 2010 to switch, who knows.

If Watson didnt step up the last few yrs how would their midfield have been left ? Personally i'd be blaming Sheedy for one LACK OF trade that he just needed to take a risk on that could have helped Dons fortunes dramatically the last 5 yrs. Sheedy took one look at Dal Santo as a kid and saw the class, skills and decision making...he even said he'd love to get him, the bloke was a massive Dons fan as a kid, BUT he refused to pay overs to take a "risk" even when the Dons were scraping the bottom. Just that one trade could have helped their midfield dramatically and given them what they've lacked...a flow thru effect of everything from decision making to skills thru the mdifeild. Risk..MUST take it and ignore what others think coz there's always a reason not to do it.

Barring the Ablett and Judd moves, this is about as good a pickup as u get i reckon.

 

[Tragic sainter]

Problem is...when trying to attract class to your club you have no chance when they're in form and justifying the big $.
Every trade carries an element of risk...childish for people to think their club should "chase" guys who are having monster seasons at the time. With free agency more guys that have "out of the box" big seasons will entertain a big offer, but that carries a heightened risk wondering if its a one off.

This bloke is a no brainer as a trade, and with the likelihood of captaincy for him where he was and the added $ and security, he simply must have had his reasons for leaving. No guarantees he will get the captaincy at the Dons and if u cant win a flag surely captaincy of an AFL club is about as big an honour as it gets. So there's a story in this somewhere thats not being spoken, but thats HIS business and kudos for leaving it on the field so to speak. Maybe the journo's will find out what happened between him and his club one day.

Big $ ?...geeezus if this guy doesnt qualify for it very few would. If i could choose maybe 5-10 guys he'd be one, 2011/12 form simply gives u a chance at it, rather than trying to throw a pebble saying he's overrated...Dons are jumping at the opportunity and good on em.

Risk ? always there but must take it to transform a list to go the extra mile. Class is what they lack and they just recruited the bloke the Vic Country coach once said was the "greatest kick he had ever seen" at junior level, #1 draft pick, All Austrailan, proven on the big stage, plenty of miles left in the tyres, can play anywhere PLUS leadership material...hates to lose. He supplies just about everything.
If you;ve played much footy you'd know what its like when a new big name arrives...it is LIFTING.

When he drills his first 60m flat kick off his left at training their entire list will go FARRRRRRKKKK...standards go up, expectations go up, confidence goes up, players feel their slots are threatened...flow thru effect. Hird knows that. Perhaps they've been gnawing away at him after hours since 2010 to switch, who knows.

If Watson didnt step up the last few yrs how would their midfield have been left ? Personally i'd be blaming Sheedy for one LACK OF trade that he just needed to take a risk on that could have helped Dons fortunes dramatically the last 5 yrs. Sheedy took one look at Dal Santo as a kid and saw the class, skills and decision making...he even said he'd love to get him, the bloke was a massive Dons fan as a kid, BUT he refused to pay overs to take a "risk" even when the Dons were scraping the bottom. Just that one trade could have helped their midfield dramatically and given them what they've lacked...a flow thru effect of everything from decision making to skills thru the mdifeild. Risk..MUST take it and ignore what others think coz there's always a reason not to do it.

Barring the Ablett and Judd moves, this is about as good a pickup as u get i reckon.

I don't know why everyone is trying to suggest he left for any other reason than money. Essendon offered him a significantly bigger contract than us, we decided he wasn't worth that much so he left. He is a mercenary it is that simple. He's a gun player so it changes none of the rest of your post, but you can't deny the fact that he is just a mecenary not some kind of maligned hero.

 

[Bollox]

I don't know why everyone is trying to suggest he left for any other reason than money. Essendon offered him a significantly bigger contract than us, we decided he wasn't worth that much so he left. He is a mercenary it is that simple. He's a gun player so it changes none of the rest of your post, but you can't deny the fact that he is just a mecenary not some kind of maligned hero.

For a damn good reason or three.
Already on pretty good wicket, and captaincy likely where he is.
Over the long haul to the end of his career he would have had many people telling him the $ wont be much different staying or leaving.
Plus..not even 2 yrs ago there wasnt a chance in the world he'd be going anywhere. Very much entrenched and saw a healthy future leading an AFL club that had been going along pretty damn nicely.

Sacrificing almost certain captaincy of an AFL club just for a few $ more ??? Yeahh nahhhhhhhhhh..and i;m not the only one that doesnt buy that mercenary story.

Now that he's definitely gone you blokes just WANT him to be a "mercenary" or "overrated" or "played his best footy" or any other little pebble u can throw at him as the door slams. Whatever helps with the disappointment but there's a story there somewhere. Somewhere there's something that broke down between him and Saints that wasnt just about a few $...or he doesnt see any chance of success near term. Nothing wrong with chasing a flag either...Dons have started great the last two yrs but fallen away bad. Encouraging signs if they can fix a few things.