Goddard

[yeee_haaaa!!!!!]

Richmond efforts to get Port' players into their club speakers how desperate they've become and how low they've sunken. They've decided it is better getting spuds to replace the hacks, which they think is an improvement. Getting Knights speaks a lot of volume too. They think SANFL standards is better than Richmond standards.

Is Hardwick going to get the chop first, they will probably finished ninth or below again next year.

If they lose to GC again for the third time in a row, they should be kicked out of the competition.

richmond will finish ahead of essendon in 2013. absolute certainty

as for the recruitment of players - why would ess take a player who turns 28 next may and has been ordinary since the 2010 grand final and put him on massive money? ess won't be a realistic chance at a flag until 2016 at best, so they should be splashing the coin on someone who will help them challenge seriously when the time arrives. goodard is finished as an elite player in the afl, but at least he has sucked ess into giving him a nice retirement nest

 

[Plugger35]

The man almost won a Grand Final off his own boot.

The Saints have starved him of the opportunity of playing to his best ability, injury aside. He will shine much brighter in our line-up. We are on the up, whereas the Saints will be lucky to play a final in the next 6 years.

His experience and leadership will tie in well with Watson's. Now that Watson is a Brownlow medalist, he is bound to get the extra attention next year.

Best thing is we've lost nothing as a result, we haven't given up any of our young talent, they're all under lock and key. They will look up to him as we charge up the ladder.

Can you imagine it now?

Goddard, sizzling kick to... HURLEY.

And this won't be the end for Essendon's Free Agency raid - it has only begun.

Can't wait for 2013. Just wanna see the guy lead on the field, wherever we play him.

How did we starve him of the opportunity of playing to the best of his ability?

Also we finished ahead of you on the ladder this year and beat you by 70 points last time so it's not like your prospects next year are any better than ours.

 

[Stopher]

Goddard was pretty poor in 2011 when Ross Lyon was still there. There might have been a mental let down after losing back to back GFs which affected some of our players for a while but most of them have recovered from that whereas Goddard hasn't.

Maybe a change of clubs will help him but if Essendon are struggling and don't look like being in premiership contention or finals contention then maybe the same problems will occur.

I think the mental letdown of those close GF losses is a valid point. Perhaps if Ross Lyon hadn't left he'd have felt the effects of burnout also. Hard to say.

As for Essendon being a contender in the next 4 years (Goddard's contract), finals for next year would definitely be an expectation, but maybe not a premiership just yet. Within 3 years, I'd hope the club is some way towards that, if not there already.

 

[Call Me Cake]

richmond will finish ahead of essendon in 2013. absolute certainty

ess won't be a realistic chance at a flag until 2016 at best

Hilarious, how could anyone take you seriously?

I bet you predicted a Pies flag in 2011 and 2012, right?

Spare us.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Goddard was pretty poor in 2011 when Ross Lyon was still there.

Did you like the bit on OTC when they showed Goddard's running goal from 2011 and Sheahan noted that we hadn't seen that since 2010?

Me too.

 

[Plugger35]

Did you like the bit on OTC when they showed Goddard's running goal from 2011 and Sheahan noted that we hadn't seen that since 2010?

Me too.

I didn't see that OTC episode. Goddard has still had some good moments in the last two years but there haven't really been any games where he has dominated and put his stamp on the game like he did in the 2010 drawn GF.

 

[mysainters]

I didn't see that OTC episode. Goddard has still had some good moments in the last two years but there haven't really been any games where he has dominated and put his stamp on the game like he did in the 2010 drawn GF.

Given he injured his hip pretty much the very next game after the replay, Rd 1 v the Cats in 2011 and carried it all year...I think that's actually understandable.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

The man almost won a Grand Final off his own boot...

I'd argue that it was Lenny Hayes not Goddard. Hayes was the one who found it in himself to kick a goal from outside 50 which most would have assumed was outside his ability and the one who won the Norm Smith.

 

[Plugger35]

Given he injured his hip pretty much the very next game after the replay, Rd 1 v the Cats in 2011 and carried it all year...I think that's actually understandable.

Well it was the same this year after he had a hip operation and as far as I'm aware he hasn't been carrying any other injuries.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Speaks volumes about the culture diffrence between the Saints and Essendon and thier values as a group.

Yeah, it does.

Essendon goes after good players that can fill a glaring hole in their team.

St.Kilda let guys like Luke Ball, Ross Lyon, Zac Dawson, and now Brendan Goddard walk.

 

[mysainters]

I'd argue that it was Lenny Hayes not Goddard. Hayes was the one who found it in himself to kick a goal from outside 50 which most would have assumed was outside his ability and the one who won the Norm Smith.

Reckon it's splitting hairs.

They both put in a mammoth effort to win this club it's second flag, even in 2009 BJ played through ridiculous pain...

Lenny and BJ should never lose sleep for thinking they could of done any more.

 

[mysainters]

Well it was the same this year after he had a hip operation and as far as I'm aware he hasn't been carrying any other injuries.

Yeah, but have you looked into the surgery he had?

Any wonder it took awhile to start leaping/kicking again, it's pretty significant.

You'd hope there is no long term impact on his body moving forward, that he hasn't done something significant that won't see him returning to his best, the push for 4 years you'd think was just about security?

I'd expect though, if that's not the case, he'll be fighting fit next year.

 

[Plugger35]

Yeah, it does.

Essendon goes after good players that can fill a glaring hole in their team.

St.Kilda let guys like Luke Ball, Ross Lyon, Zac Dawson, and now Brendan Goddard walk.

All of those people had reasonable offers to stay but chose to walk away for more money, with Ball it was more opportunities too and his main problem was with Ross Lyon's treatment of him.

Not much you can do to stop players leaving for more money when you're restricted by room in your salary cap and are competing with other clubs with more room in their salary cap. Most strong teams have problems keeping all their players, that's why Essendon had to shed players like Caracella, Hardwick and Blumfield after you won the 2000 premiership and why Geelong lost Ablett.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

After losing so many big fish, it is nice we have finally snared one the other way. Will be a massive boost for the club on field and off. After such a disasterous second half of the year, the Brownlow win and this are very important for rebuilding confidence within the club. Looking fwd to 2013 already now.

 

[Scotland]

Something just doesn't add up for mine.

Maybe he thinks the Saints are on the way down? Maybe he's got the shits with Scott Watters, or the administration, or some other aspect of the club?

Walking to Essendon for a bit more money and 4 years instead of 3 just seems like feeble reasoning.

 

[shiva25]

Something just doesn't add up for mine.

Maybe he thinks the Saints are on the way down? Maybe he's got the shits with Scott Watters, or the administration, or some other aspect of the club?

Walking to Essendon for a bit more money and 4 years instead of 3 just seems like feeble reasoning.

I dont see how its just a bit more money. Your talking about 100k extra per year over 4 years = 400k. Even after tax its still a substantial amount and even more important when you think its probably going to be his last decent contract of his career

 

[Lord Nicholson]

I didn't see that OTC episode. Goddard has still had some good moments in the last two years but there haven't really been any games where he has dominated and put his stamp on the game like he did in the 2010 drawn GF.

Perhaps so, but I think his second half to 2011 was a bit more robust than the overall perception of his last two years.

 

[MarkT2]

Is anyone saying we are a Goddard from a flag?


If he plays as well for us as Jolly has for you (or as Salmon was for Hawks etc etc) then he's a good pick-up, and has helped us improve.

No but the point was relevent to the analogy.

It's not that anyone is saying that but it is relevent to the comparrison. A big money long term deal only pays off is it helps you the flag. In Collingwood's case Jolly and Ball made the difference. Helping you improve is good but not enough for the investment IMO. If he was a 25 year old 300k player then it's a different matter. The question is what holes are still left and how do they get filled with the remaining salary cap. That is what ultimately determines the wisdom of the deal. So far Judd hasn't brought Carlton a flag and right now Kennedy looks more likely to being one to West Coast. The alternative is the Sydney path where their investment is spread over numerous players.

 

[Tiger71]

I remember when the Cats were saying GAJ was shit & selfish & finished etc.

HAHAHHA

Goddard aint no GAJ


/laughs

 

[Slattery_20]

No but the point was relevent to the analogy.

It's not that anyone is saying that but it is relevent to the comparrison. A big money long term deal only pays off is it helps you the flag..

Nathan Buckley did not pay off for Collingwood.
Tony Lockett did not pay off for Sydney.
Agree/disagree?

You're breaking things down into far too much of a black & white (pardon the pun) issue.

Goddard is a very very good player, who will be in our best 4 or 5, who mightn't get us a flag but will help us along the way.

That's all.

 

[Slattery_20]

HAHAHHA

Goddard aint no GAJ

Again no-one's saying he is; just that players can actually respond differently in a different environment - GAJ being one example of that.

Who thought Maric could actually play, much less take on as much responsibility as he has this year? Who thought Luke Ball could still run & kick?

 

[Zahki]

I've really enjoyed reading the about face Carlton supporters have had about Goddard since Essendon nabbed him. "800k too much to pay for a soft half back" like they havn't had a thread every week for the past 2 years about how much they want to get Goddard to Carlton. Hell EVERY club would've loved to get Goddard, I would've been jumping for joy if he came to the pies, dunno why people think they can take the shine off Essendons coup by pretending he's not all that good.

 

[Scotland]

I dont see how its just a bit more money. Your talking about 100k extra per year over 4 years = 400k. Even after tax its still a substantial amount and even more important when you think its probably going to be his last decent contract of his career

If he went to GWS he could probably get that $400k in one season...

Is $60k per year in the hand worth walking from one club you've spent a decade at to another which based on ladder position is no closer to a flag?

If Goddard was happy at St Kilda he would not have taken up Essendon's offer. Clearly something was giving him the shits.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

No but the point was relevent to the analogy.

It's not that anyone is saying that but it is relevent to the comparrison. A big money long term deal only pays off is it helps you the flag. In Collingwood's case Jolly and Ball made the difference. Helping you improve is good but not enough for the investment IMO. If he was a 25 year old 300k player then it's a different matter. The question is what holes are still left and how do they get filled with the remaining salary cap. That is what ultimately determines the wisdom of the deal. So far Judd hasn't brought Carlton a flag and right now Kennedy looks more likely to being one to West Coast. The alternative is the Sydney path where their investment is spread over numerous players.

I take issue with you claiming that Goddard can't possibly assist us to a flag. You can say that no more than you could see he definitely will. A player like Goddard has a domino effect right across the team. Before injuries took their toll, Essendon went for half a season losing only one game, smashing West Coast in the process.

If you want to believe that Essendon are no good that's your perogative. I don't care. But don't pontificate that Goddard can't do for us what Jolly did for you.

 

[Knight Ryders]

If he went to GWS he could probably get that $400k in one season...

Is $60k per year in the hand worth walking from one club you've spent a decade at to another which based on ladder position is no closer to a flag?

If Goddard was happy at St Kilda he would not have taken up Essendon's offer. Clearly something was giving him the shits.

I was thinking about this this morning and I agree totally. Saying it is just money seems too simplistic - there has to be more to it