Goddard

[Slattery_20]

Yeah, I think his temperament is fine and for all the knocks on how "angry" he is, I don't think he has ever been reported.

Fanfooty tells me twice (other than fines) - 2005 & 2008, both times for striking, got points only. Pretty good record.

 

[Plugger35]

Yeah, I think his temperament is fine and for all the knocks on how "angry" he is, I don't think he has ever been reported.

He was suspended for two games this year for whacking Sam Wright, we actually had two of our better wins when he was out suspended including our win over Essendon.

I didn't mind his fiery temperament earlier in his career when he was still focused on playing well but the last couple of years he has been more interested in getting in scraps than playing football. The times he was tagged he would just get distracted and be of no use to the team at all, more of a liability.

 

[HurlsMeister18]

He was suspended for two games this year for whacking Sam Wright, we actually had two of our better wins when he was out suspended including our win over Essendon.

I didn't mind his fiery temperament earlier in his career when he was still focused on playing well but the last couple of years he has been more interested in getting in scraps than playing football. The times he was tagged he would just get distracted and be of no use to the team at all, more of a liability.

the other win was against Brisbane at the gabba, not sure how they were two of your better wins for the year considering neither side finished in the 8.

 

[Plugger35]

the other win was against Brisbane at the gabba, not sure how they were two of your better wins for the year considering neither side finished in the 8.

Well Essendon were still top 4 chances when we played you and you went in as heavy favourites, we won by over 70 points which no one would have predicted. Beating Brisbane at the Gabba is always pretty tough, a number of good sides have lost to them there in recent years like Collingwood, Geelong and West Coast.

 

[aussierulesrules]

He carried a hip cartilage tear all of 2011, not sure how extensive the surgery was, but was on crutches for about 8 weeks from memory.

Someone better than me can answer how long it actually takes to feel good again.

One thing is for sure and that is that he hasn't had the same mobility since he injured his hip in R1 last year. At the end of the previous season (2010), he was flying for screamers every second week, like these couple:

but how many times have we seen him do that since he injured his hip? Pretty much not once.

If he gets more of his mobility back next year and has a good run with injury and a full pre-season, I expect he'll be back much closer to his best and will be an awesome pick-up for Essendon.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

but how many times have we seen him do that since he injured his hip? Pretty much not once.

Didn't he do a sorta-kinda one against Richmond this year?

 

[aussierulesrules]

Maybe, but by the end of 2010 he was doing them on almost a weekly basis and was getting up seriously high. I think his lack of mobility would have contributed to his frustrations this year and he just ended up taking those frustrations out on those who were scragging him. I expect the change and potentially better mobility/fitness will do him the world of good.

 

[mysainters]

One thing is for sure and that is that he hasn't had the same mobility since he injured his hip in R1 last year. At the end of the previous season (2010), he was flying for screamers every second week, like these couple:

but how many times have we seen him do that since he injured his hip? Pretty much not once.

If he gets more of his mobility back next year and has a good run with injury and a full pre-season, I expect he'll be back much closer to his best and will be an awesome pick-up for Essendon.

He took a couple of leaps late this year, one nearly came off I think it was v GWS?

Makes sense his body took awhile to recover, I hope it's not long term, not just because I don't wish injury on opposition players...but good players being out on the park is good for footy.

Happy for him to have poor games against the Saints though.

 

[The Fact]

He was suspended for two games this year for whacking Sam Wright, we actually had two of our better wins when he was out suspended including our win over Essendon.

I didn't mind his fiery temperament earlier in his career when he was still focused on playing well but the last couple of years he has been more interested in getting in scraps than playing football. The times he was tagged he would just get distracted and be of no use to the team at all, more of a liability.

Wow by the sound of it losing Goddard is a massive plus! Who would of thought

 

[Bollox]

Even if he starts slow for the Dons , if you have a guy that can play anywhere its a huge benefit for a coach in the modern game. The times he played fwd at the aints i reckon he looked like a readymade KPF...then swing him on the ball immediately for the next bounce. That confusion is gold right now the way the game is, and takes heat off others breaking screens at bounces and tags. Hard to hold him for a whole game.
Its a rare bloke that doesnt have the odd down season or two but even then he's been a long way from average.
A coach's dream this bloke. Play anywhere, make good decisions with the ball, has played many great games in big games, and a boot thats pure gold.
Cant begrudge him big money...he cant instantly turn the Dons into a top 4 unit, but if their fans dont think he will they'll likely see a flow thru effect with a few of the other guys playing better.

 

[Ealesy]

Wow by the sound of it losing Goddard is a massive plus! Who would of thought

Yep very much has a Scott Watters feel about it...."in Brendon's own words his last 40 AFL have been mediocre"

"We would be very disappointed not to receive a first round compensation draft pick for losing Brendon"

Saints seem to be trying to paint a picture that is okay they've lost him because he's really not that good anymore...but they sure as hell better still receive compensation as if he was a very good player.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Exactly the same as when we lost Luke Ball. He wasn't good enough to play for more than 50% of a game with us, but when it came to trading, he was much too good to trade for just pick 30. We don't seem to have learned too much from what's happened previously, unfortunately and are still being pretty childish in the way we go about certain things. Time to grow up, Saints. Whenever you're ready.

 

[Plugger35]

Exactly the same as when we lost Luke Ball. He wasn't good enough to play for more than 50% of a game with us, but when it came to trading, he was much too good to trade for just pick 30. We don't seem to have learned too much from what's happened previously, unfortunately and are still being pretty childish in the way we go about certain things. Time to grow up, Saints. Whenever you're ready.

Ball was a different situation to Goddard, he wasn't getting enough opportunities under Lyon and wasn't guaranteed a spot in our best 22 so left for a club where he would.

Goddard was given every opportunity at St Kilda and was guaranteed a spot in our best 22 but took it for granted and coasted in the last couple of years. Maybe he was carrying injuries or just isn't up to it anymore but his attitude was terrible for a senior player. Watters was right to say that he has been mediocre the last 40 games and it's why a lot of Saints supporters aren't that unhappy to see him go.

St Kilda haven't been childish in all this, Goddard has been. He's acted like a spoilt brat since we lost back to back GFs. The rest of our players have pulled up their socks and gotten on with it, Goddard continued to sulk, do the bare minimum and then had the audacity to demand top dollar from us. St Kilda gave him a fair offer based on his recent performances but that wasn't good enough for him so he bailed and took the easy money at Essendon.

He's gone to the right place though, Essendon supporters will hail him as the messiah if he strings half a dozen lazy touches together across half back without getting his hands dirty.

 

[The Filth]

Ball was a different situation to Goddard, he wasn't getting enough opportunities under Lyon and wasn't guaranteed a spot in our best 22 so left for a club where he would.

Goddard was given every opportunity at St Kilda and was guaranteed a spot in our best 22 but took it for granted and coasted in the last couple of years. Maybe he was carrying injuries or just isn't up to it anymore but his attitude was terrible for a senior player. Watters was right to say that he has been mediocre the last 40 games and it's why a lot of Saints supporters aren't that unhappy to see him go.

St Kilda haven't been childish in all this, Goddard has been. He's acted like a spoilt brat since we lost back to back GFs. The rest of our players have pulled up their socks and gotten on with it, Goddard continued to sulk, do the bare minimum and then had the audacity to demand top dollar from us. St Kilda gave him a fair offer based on his recent performances but that wasn't good enough for him so he bailed and took the easy money at Essendon.

He's gone to the right place though, Essendon supporters will hail him as the messiah if he strings half a dozen lazy touches together across half back without getting his hands dirty.

Interesting how he has now been portrayed as a "mediocre player", but the again I suppose finishing 4th in the Saints best & fairest this year is a "mediocre" achievement. Still averaging around 24 disposals a game over the last 2 seasons after a stellar 2010 season. Quality user of the ball too.

Whatever the circumstances regarding the departures of Ball and Goddard, it is a shame that true quality number 2 and number 1 draft picks are not there to play their senior footy at the Saints. Both quality individuals as leaders, trainers and players on and off the park too. Would be great influences on younger teamates.

It is fine to get compensation picks but there are no guarantees...(another Raph Clarke #8 draft pick and list clogger anyone?)

 

[Plugger35]

I never said Goddard was a mediocre player but he has been mediocre the last couple of years by his standards, ask any Saints supporter and they will say the same, we actually watch our team play every week rather than just pluck out meaningless stats.

I still don't know how he managed to finish 4th in our B&F as he didn't deserve it, as I said before he didn't make the AA squad this year or even get close to it so what does that tell you?

 

[RearNaked]

Wow by the sound of it losing Goddard is a massive plus! Who would of thought

maybe we should get a draft pick for taking him off their hands

 

[Plugger35]

maybe we should get a draft pick for taking him off their hands

You would probably just blow it on another dud like Gumbleton so it would just be a waste.

 

[RearNaked]

oh and just something i think you all should know DONT type so much offended in google images.... unsettling pictures to say the least.

 

[Shane Hird]

I never said Goddard was a mediocre player but he has been mediocre the last couple of years by his standards, ask any Saints supporter and they will say the same, we actually watch our team play every week rather than just pluck out meaningless stats.

I still don't know how he managed to finish 4th in our B&F as he didn't deserve it,
as I said before he didn't make the AA squad this year or even get close to it so what does that tell you?

lol..you poor deluded soul. Keep making excuses if it feels it gets you through the tough days..

 

[RearNaked]

You would probably just blow it on another dud like Gumbleton so it would just be a waste.

yes....

 

[The Filth]

I never said Goddard was a mediocre player but he has been mediocre the last couple of years by his standards, ask any Saints supporter and they will say the same, we actually watch our team play every week rather than just pluck out meaningless stats.

I still don't know how he managed to finish 4th in our B&F as he didn't deserve it, as I said before he didn't make the AA squad this year or even get close to it so what does that tell you?

I buy my disabled niece her Saints membership every year and attend more Saints games than Pies games Plugger so please don't be patronising.
He was unbelievably good in 2010 so I think people judge him as mediocre compared to that season. A bit unfair. Would still be one of the top utilities in the whole comp and would fit in any teams best 22. Most pundits list Roo, Lenny, Goddard and Milne as your true elite players on your list. No need to downgrade Goddard just because he left.

 

[Plugger35]

lol..you poor deluded soul. Keep making excuses if it feels it gets you through the tough days..

I'm not making excuses, he didn't make the AA squad this year which would suggest he had a mediocre year.

Mediocre will probably be enough to satisfy Essendon supporters but we have higher standards at St Kilda.

I buy my disabled niece her Saints membership every year and attend more Saints games than Pies games Plugger so please don't be patronising.
He was unbelievably good in 2010 so I think people judge him as mediocre compared to that season. A bit unfair. Would still be one of the top utilities in the whole comp and would fit in any teams best 22. Most pundits list Roo, Lenny, Goddard and Milne as your true elite players on your list. No need to downgrade Goddard just because he left.

I was saying the same things about him before he decided to leave.

At his best he is an elite player but he hasn't been an elite player for the last couple of years.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Ball was a different situation to Goddard, he wasn't getting enough opportunities under Lyon and wasn't guaranteed a spot in our best 22 so left for a club where he would.

Goddard was given every opportunity at St Kilda and was guaranteed a spot in our best 22 but took it for granted and coasted in the last couple of years. Maybe he was carrying injuries or just isn't up to it anymore but his attitude was terrible for a senior player. Watters was right to say that he has been mediocre the last 40 games and it's why a lot of Saints supporters aren't that unhappy to see him go.

St Kilda haven't been childish in all this, Goddard has been. He's acted like a spoilt brat since we lost back to back GFs. The rest of our players have pulled up their socks and gotten on with it, Goddard continued to sulk, do the bare minimum and then had the audacity to demand top dollar from us. St Kilda gave him a fair offer based on his recent performances but that wasn't good enough for him so he bailed and took the easy money at Essendon.

He's gone to the right place though, Essendon supporters will hail him as the messiah if he strings half a dozen lazy touches together across half back without getting his hands dirty.

Wow, that's a big pile of parochial, one-eyed shit right there, just like so many of your posts (usually involving sooking constantly about umpiring).

You mean Ball left for his own personal reasons and Goddard left for his own personal reasons? Who are you to say which reasons are "right" and which are "wrong"? Everyone is different and if we were stupid or naive enough to think that everyone has the same priorities and that someone wouldn't leave for more money (if that is the main reason BJ left) then that is our mistake. "Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups". This is the sort of shit and immature naive attitude I'm talking about.

It's Goddard's life and he is free to live it however the **** he chooses and wherever the **** he chooses. We don't own him and he doesn't owe us one damn thing. He did more to try and win us a flag than most and after what he gave in the 2009/2010 years and in the GF's in particular (one of which he played out with a broken nose and broken collarbone and in the two in 2010 he was incredible), I'm not surprised they knocked the stuffing out of him emotionally and that he hasn't been the same since. I don't believe he's "coasted" since then and have you ever tried to play a season of football with a hip that needs surgery? He's just been frustrated since then, probably at the fact his body hasn't allowed him to play the sort of footy he wanted to play, but he's still played plenty of decent footy. Pretty funny that Watters reckons he's been "mediocre", yet was presumably one of those who voted him 4th in the Best & Fairest this year and was super-keen for him to stay!

Like so many, including it seems Scott Watters, you sound like a "sore loser" and this is why I say this club needs to GROW THE **** UP, or we will continue to lose.

Goddard, like anyone, is free to put whatever price he wants "on his head", just like how the club are free to set a price that they won't go over, which they did. Why is it seemingly OK for the club to say "this is the price we won't go over", but it's not OK for Goddard to say "this is a price I won't go under". Both have that right. Both exercised that right and we got the outcome we got. End of story. Everyone should be perfectly happy.

It's a two way street and like with the Luke Ball trade with Collingwood scenario, we played hard-ball and lost and then went and sooked about it when we lost. TIME TO GROW THE **** UP and start learning from these things, instead of sooking about them. Then maybe we'll start coming out of these trades and situations just as happy as Essendon are right now, or Collingwood were when they got Ball for pick 30 and he helped them win a flag.

We chose to go down this new path of not paying anyone more than $600K, or whatever it is and when you chose to go a certain way, you have to accept the fact that it can come at a cost and the cost for our new stance is that some are almost certainly going to walk, if we won't pay close enough to what others are willing to pay, especially if they are also closer to being in premiership contention, which I believe Goddard would believe Essendon are (I expect that is as big a reason for him going as money, whether you like to believe it or not). If that happens, like it did in this instance, we have to COP IT ON THE CHIN AND NOT CRY ABOUT IT, like you and so many are.

That is what being "grown up" is all about. Taking responsibility for OUR CHOICES and accepting others choices as their own, which they have as much right to make as us with ours and taking them "like a man", not bitching about how they "left for the money", or some such shit. That is LIFE. Deal with it, please and do us all a favour.

 

[The Filth]

I was saying the same things about him before he decided to leave.

At his best he is an elite player but he hasn't been an elite player for the last couple of years.

I would have thought Kozi and other Saints players on good coin would be of more concern than Goddard..

 

[Plugger35]

Wow, that's a big pile of parochial, one-eyed bullshit right there, just like so many of your posts (usually involving sooking constantly about umpiring).

You mean Ball left for his own personal reasons and Goddard left for his own personal reasons? Who are you to say which reasons are "right" and which are "wrong"? Everyone is different and if we were stupid or naive enough to think that everyone has the same priorities and that Goddard wouldn't leave for more money (if that is the main reason he left) then that is our mistake. "Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups". This is the sort of shit and attitude I'm talking about.

It's Goddard's life and he is free to live it however the **** he chooses and wherever the **** he chooses. We don't own him and he doesn't owe us one damn thing. He did more to try and win us a flag than most and after what he gave in the 2009/2010 years and in the GF's in particular (one of which he played out with a broken nose and broken collarbone and in the two in 2010 he was incredible), I'm not surprised they knocked the stuffing out of him emotionally and that he hasn't been the same since. I don't believe he's "coasted" since then and have you ever tried to play a season of football with a hip that needs surgery? He's just been frustrated since then, probably at the fact his body hasn't allowed him to play the sort of footy he wanted to play, but he's still played plenty of decent footy. Pretty funny that Watters reckons he's been "mediocre", yet was presumably one of those who voted him 4th in the Best & Fairest this year and was super-keen for him to stay!

Like so many, including it seems Scott Watters, you sound like a "sore loser" and this is why I say this club needs to GROW THE **** UP, or we will continue to lose (of course, you have "sore losing" down to a tee, with your constant whingeing about umpiring, as probably everyone on BF will attest to).

Goddard, like anyone, is free to put whatever price he wants "on his head", just like how the club are free to set a price that they won't go over, which they did. Why is it seemingly OK for the club to say "this is the price we won't go over", but it's not OK for Goddard to say "this is a price I won't go under". Both have that right. Both exercised that right and we got the outcome we got. End of story.

It's a two way street and like with the Luke Ball trade with Collingwood scenario, we played hard-ball and lost and then went and sooked about it when we lost. TIME TO GROW THE **** UP and start learning from these things, instead of sooking about them.

We chose to go down this new path of not paying anyone more than $600K, or whatever it is and when you chose to go a certain way, you have to accept the fact that it can come at a cost and the cost for our new stance is that some are almost certainly going to walk, if we won't pay close enough to what others are willing to pay, especially if they are also closer to being in premiership contention, which I believe Goddard would believe Essendon are (I expect that is as big a reason for him going as money, whether you like to believe it or not). If that happens, like it did in this instance, we have to COP IT ON THE CHIN AND NOT CRY ABOUT IT, like you and so many are.

That is what being "grown up" is all about. Taking responsibility for OUR CHOICES and accepting others choices and taking them "like a man". I dare you to try it.

I respect Goddard for what he did for us up until 2010 and he may have had excuses in 2011 with injuries but he had no excuses this year for some of his lacklustre performances. Most of the time he looked like he didn't give a shit.

If he wanted us to pay the 750-800k to keep him then he had to earn it and he didn't, we had a heap of other blokes that busted their guts this year on a lot less money than him while he went through the motions. Probably why St Kilda didn't bend over backwards to keep him.

Telling me and St Kilda to grow up and stop crying while you make pathetic longwinded rants about your untouchable hero Goddard like some hysterical groupie, give me a f***ing break. I was a Goddard fan too mate but the guy isn't beyond criticism.