Goddard

[Tragic sainter]

For a damn good reason or three.
Already on pretty good wicket, and captaincy likely where he is.
Over the long haul to the end of his career he would have had many people telling him the $ wont be much different staying or leaving.
Plus..not even 2 yrs ago there wasnt a chance in the world he'd be going anywhere. Very much entrenched and saw a healthy future leading an AFL club that had been going along pretty damn nicely.

Sacrificing almost certain captaincy of an AFL club just for a few $ more ??? Yeahh nahhhhhhhhhh..and i;m not the only one that doesnt buy that mercenary story.

Now that he's definitely gone you blokes just WANT him to be a "mercenary" or "overrated" or "played his best footy" or any other little pebble u can throw at him as the door slams. Whatever helps with the disappointment but there's a story there somewhere. Somewhere there's something that broke down between him and Saints that wasnt just about a few $...or he doesnt see any chance of success near term. Nothing wrong with chasing a flag either...Dons have started great the last two yrs but fallen away bad. Encouraging signs if they can fix a few things.

I don't want to shoot him down. I don't think he is past his best and I still think he can be a top ten player in the afl. Bt what I do know that you don't is that he did leave for money. We wanted to pay him a lot less than essendon did. It's not just a few more dollars mate. It's about $250k a year. Why all year would he say he wants to be a one club player when their was something wrong at the saints? He was simply offered a contract that was too good to refuse, and that makes him a mercenary. Still love him for what he did for us and want him to do well. All I was saying is that he was a mercenary and he is. He left all his mates and a club he loved because he wanted to secure his financial future, and I'm not blaming him I'd do the same thing if someone offered me more money to do the same job. Just don't paint him out to be the maligned hero when he is clearly not.

 

[hollywood23]

I don't want to shoot him down. I don't think he is past his best and I still think he can be a top ten player in the afl. Bt what I do know that you don't is that he did leave for money. We wanted to pay him a lot less than essendon did. It's not just a few more dollars mate. It's about $250k a year. Why all year would he say he wants to be a one club player when their was something wrong at the saints? He was simply offered a contract that was too good to refuse, and that makes him a mercenary. Still love him for what he did for us and want him to do well. All I was saying is that he was a mercenary and he is. He left all his mates and a club he loved because he wanted to secure his financial future, and I'm not blaming him I'd do the same thing if someone offered me more money to do the same job. Just don't paint him out to be the maligned hero when he is clearly not.

From what I have read over at the saints board, St Kilda's offer to goddard is rumoured to have been 475-500k per year for 3 years. He has received an offer of 700-725k a year for 4 years at Essendon. St Kilda had the opportunity to match this offer and they didn't. Now, if these figures are true, I don't think anyone could blame goddard for accepting Essendon's offer, let alone accuse him of being a mercenary, as it's quite clear that the Saints didn't REALLY want him to stay. To accuse him of that is simply bitterness, and probably more of a disappointment in your own club for grossly undervaluing his services.

 

[Tragic sainter]

From what I have read over at the saints board, St Kilda's offer to goddard is rumoured to have been 475-500k per year for 3 years. He has received an offer of 700-725k a year for 4 years at Essendon. St Kilda had the opportunity to match this offer and they didn't. Now, if these figures are true, I don't think anyone could blame goddard for accepting Essendon's offer, let alone accuse him of being a mercenary, as it's quite clear that the Saints didn't REALLY want him to stay. To accuse him of that is simply bitterness, and probably more of a disappointment in your own club for grossly undervaluing his services.

So someone that leaves for more money isn't a mercenary?

 

[hollywood23]

So someone that leaves for more money isn't a mercenary?

They aren't if they don't feel valued at their current place of employment.

 

[SunshineBoy]

I don't want to shoot him down. I don't think he is past his best and I still think he can be a top ten player in the afl. Bt what I do know that you don't is that he did leave for money. We wanted to pay him a lot less than essendon did. It's not just a few more dollars mate. It's about $250k a year. Why all year would he say he wants to be a one club player when their was something wrong at the saints? He was simply offered a contract that was too good to refuse, and that makes him a mercenary. Still love him for what he did for us and want him to do well. All I was saying is that he was a mercenary and he is. He left all his mates and a club he loved because he wanted to secure his financial future, and I'm not blaming him I'd do the same thing if someone offered me more money to do the same job. Just don't paint him out to be the maligned hero when he is clearly not.

Very well put, still has good football left but it wasn't just a few dollars more, if the numbers reported are right bottom line it was over a million of those "few" dollars taking into account the extra year of the contract that essendon offered.

Mercenary comes to mind but in the future if say essendon were to win a flag would he be remembered as. Saint or a bomber?

Malt house is he a saints player or a Richmond player? West coast coach or Carlton coach etc etc etc.

There is a lot to say about being a one club player, Kevin neale said take the money but I discount his comments as he was in the 16 cents in the dollar era, so his take is take the money.

Only time will tell but based on the last two years maybe Brendon's has peaked, similar to Brett deledio of us.

What would the bombers have offered a Trent Cochin as an example.

 

[Bollox]

From what I have read over at the saints board, St Kilda's offer to goddard is rumoured to have been 475-500k per year for 3 years. He has received an offer of 700-725k a year for 4 years at Essendon. St Kilda had the opportunity to match this offer and they didn't. Now, if these figures are true, I don't think anyone could blame goddard for accepting Essendon's offer, let alone accuse him of being a mercenary, as it's quite clear that the Saints didn't REALLY want him to stay. To accuse him of that is simply bitterness, and probably more of a disappointment in your own club for grossly undervaluing his services.

IFFF thats what he was offered there isnt a club going around that wouldnt have chased him hard if they knew that..and i wouldnt blame him one iota for heading off. No bloody wonder he's gone sniffing, and nothing mercenary about it.

Either that or the "Saints board" is just trying to justify why he's left.

Hard to believe they'd offer that for what should be his best 3 yrs coming up, and expect him to just wear it. Especially when there's likely captaincy involved.

 

[Tragic sainter]

They aren't if they don't feel valued at their current place of employment.

So offering him captaincy means we don't value him? We went for a different model with our team first approach to TPP and Brendan didn't want to be a part of that which is fair enough, as I said earlier I would take more money if offered it. Still doesn't change the fact that he is a mercenary. He left for monetary reasons, the definition of mercenary. Let me ask you this, if essendon offered him the exact some money we did would he leave?

 

[beastie]

I thinnk its fair to say he is a pretty intense footballer and takes it all very seriously.

It may be just money, it may be security, it may be the settled role.

It also may be that he is sick of the indiscretions. There have been a few.

 

[Ricmel]

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It also may be that he is sick of the indiscretions. There have been a few.

That is just a stupid cheap shot.

The only serious indiscretion at Saints whilst Goddard has been there was the players taking painkillers in NZ. There was the incident with Essendon player Andrew Lovett but he was at Saints for 10 minutes and never played a game with them.

I don't know why (StKilda or Essendon supporters) look for conspiracies. It is simple. Goddard left because he was offered more money, a longer contract and likely believes Bombers premiership window is more open than Saints right now (probably a reasonable assumption).

He is still very close to StKilda, is in Riewoldts bridal party this week and has a genuine love for the club.

 

[The Prosecutor]

IFFF thats what he was offered there isnt a club going around that wouldnt have chased him hard if they knew that..and i wouldnt blame him one iota for heading off. No bloody wonder he's gone sniffing, and nothing mercenary about it.

Either that or the "Saints board" is just trying to justify why he's left.

Hard to believe they'd offer that for what should be his best 3 yrs coming up, and expect him to just wear it. Especially when there's likely captaincy involved.

I think the major sticking point was the 4th year.

It got to the point where Goddard even offered the 4th year to be completely performance related, and Pelchen still said no.

 

[mufassa]

I thinnk its fair to say he is a pretty intense footballer and takes it all very seriously.

It may be just money, it may be security, it may be the settled role.

It also may be that he is sick of the indiscretions. There have been a few.

Wow - can't believe you played that card - lets hope he steers clear of Hurley and Hibbard.

 

[OB1]

That is just a stupid cheap shot.

The only serious indiscretion at Saints whilst Goddard has been there was the players taking painkillers in NZ. There was the incident with Essendon player Andrew Lovett but he was at Saints for 10 minutes and never played a game with them.

I don't know why (StKilda or Essendon supporters) look for conspiracies. It is simple. Goddard left because he was offered more money, a longer contract and likely believes Bombers premiership window is more open than Saints right now (probably a reasonable assumption).

He is still very close to StKilda, is in Riewoldts bridal party this week and has a genuine love for the club.

I'm not saying its a reason why he left but have you really forgotten the name Kim Duthie already?

 

[Doss]

Ergh, really, let's not turn this into some pissing contest over which of Essendon and St Kilda have had worse off field incidents.

I would say it had nothing to do with Goddard's decision, I think we can be pretty sure of that.

 

[Ricmel]

I'm not saying its a reason why he left but have you really forgotten the name Kim Duthie already?

Mate go and look at the Kim Duthie thing again and tell me what part of that was a StKilda players indiscretion. The photos? (stolen), the pregnancy? (a lie), the relationship? (2 weeks). That was just a truckload of horses%*t fuelled by knobs.

I'm not going to open stale old stories, neither should you. Just be happy you picked up a very good player, no need to sling more s%#t.

 

[Affidavit]

Football is a job and people see it is something far more than that. If you were offered $250k more to go to another company you would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[bombermick]

Of course money was a factor, but there's more to it.

It's clear he was annoyed having to sacrifice midfield time in favour of lesser players like Steven and Armitage, as well as accepting less than market value during their GF years.

 

[Ricmel]

It's clear he was annoyed having to sacrifice midfield time in favour of lesser players like Steven and Armitage, as well as accepting less than market value during their GF years.

Yes, that is clear as day.

 

[mufassa]

Ergh, really, let's not turn this into some pissing contest over which of Essendon and St Kilda have had worse off field incidents.

I would say it had nothing to do with Goddard's decision, I think we can be pretty sure of that.

Its big footy - what did you expect when a poster throws mud about off field incidents?? Some has to come back the other way. The poster should be embarrassed.

 

[Doss]

Its big footy - what did you expect when a poster throws mud about off field incidents?? Some has to come back the other way. The poster should be embarrassed.

Agreed, was annoyed it was an Essendon poster that introduced that angle, because it is irrelevant.

 

[KrakFiend]

Wow - can't believe you played that card - lets hope he steers clear of Hurley and Hibbard.

Every club has players that have ****ed up at some stage. But lets face it, St Kilda took it to a whole new level. From free society to prison inmates, we tend to be more forgiving of violent or drug/alcohol related crimes than we do sexually predatory actions. Must be an old 'protect the women' instinct kicking in. You wouldn't want your daughters anywhere near a St Kilda player.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Mercenary comes to mind but in the future if say essendon were to win a flag would he be remembered as. Saint or a bomber?

A premiership would make him a Bomber.

It's coincidence, but typically it depends on the degree to which they entrench themselves in a club's history. The difficulty is when you get people like Stan Alves and Luke Ball who captained one club but one a flag at another. Less cut and dry, and you tend to think of them as personalities of the sides they captained.

Goddard's not a B&F winner, not a captain, hasn't led the goalkicking, no nothing, but everyone will always remember that mark from the '10 GF. So it's hard to say.

The mercenary tag will hang on him until there's more light shed on what his situation was at St Kilda, if indeed there is any more to that.

EDIT: As for Malthouse, I tend to associate them with the clubs they won a flag at as a player more than as a coach. Barassi's a Demon, Malthouse and Sheeds are Tigers, Thompson's a Bomber, Horse is a Roo.

 

[Falchoon]

Of course money was a factor, but there's more to it.

It's clear he was annoyed having to sacrifice midfield time in favour of lesser players like Steven and Armitage, as well as accepting less than market value during their GF years.

there's more to it than just money


like money

 

[OB1]

Mate go and look at the Kim Duthie thing again and tell me what part of that was a StKilda players indiscretion. The photos? (stolen), the pregnancy? (a lie), the relationship? (2 weeks). That was just a truckload of horses%*t fuelled by knobs.

I'm not going to open stale old stories, neither should you. Just be happy you picked up a very good player, no need to sling more s%#t.

I'm not slinging $hi! but if you don't see getting involved with a 17 year old schoolgirl as an indescretion then you are a fool. It was a massive scandal which IMHO had a negative effect on your club - you handled teh whole thing poorly. Gilbert hasn't played a decent game since. I have little doubt this (plus of course the whole Milne & Montagna case) is what Bestie was reffering to. Again, I'm not saying it is a reason why Goddard left, only pointing out that you seemed to forget these issues.

 

[Present Not Past]

I'm not slinging $hi! but if you don't see getting involved with a 17 year old schoolgirl as an indescretion then you are a fool. It was a massive scandal which IMHO had a negative effect on your club - you handled teh whole thing poorly. Gilbert hasn't played a decent game since. I have little doubt this (plus of course the whole Milne & Montagna case) is what Bestie was reffering to. Again, I'm not saying it is a reason why Goddard left, only pointing out that you seemed to forget these issues.

We don't forget, we just don't bring it up on AFL forums when we have run out of intelligent things to say about our club

 

[Present Not Past]

Of course money was a factor, but there's more to it.

It's clear he was annoyed having to sacrifice midfield time in favour of lesser players like Steven and Armitage, as well as accepting less than market value during their GF years.

That's a fair point. We have an ageing midfield and we have needed to play the lesser players such as Steven and Armitage to get some games and improvement into them. If Goddard was unhappy with this then there was a conflict of interest within the club, and the right decision was made.