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The fact that the Swans have played in almost every finals series since 1996 is a testament to the wonderful job that Kinnear Beatson and his team have done over the past 20 years. (Not sure if Kinnear has been in charge the whole period). Unlike every other team in that period we have never bottomed out and been rewarded with early draft picks but have done it by astute trading and recruiting.
So many people jumped up and down when we committed so much of our TPP to Buddy yet he has been worth every cent. It may well prove to be a major problem in 4-5 years when he will be past his best but we SHOULD HAVE won two premierships in the 3 years he has been with us. In fact, if it weren't for Buddy, I very much doubt we would have even been in either of our recent GF losses.
The one and only real error made by the team was committing so much money to Tippett who has barely returned half the investment we have put into him and is now going to cost us a very good player or two. I often wonder if we would have actually gone through with the Tippett deal had we known at the time that Buddy wanted to come to the Swans in 2014.
The problem that I see now is that we will continue to be competitive and a top 4 side for the next 4-5 years however I don't see a premiership coming in that time. Frankenstein (the bloody monster the AFL have built) also known as GWS will imo win the next 4-5 flags and the AFL will be quite pleased with itself because of their "this is the team we built" mentality.
In watching the best & fairest last night, I was upset after watching Benny McGlynn's farewell speech. The amount of comments posted on this thread since the GF loss (including by myself) as to "him being useless" and "get rid of McGlynn" has been terrible. Watching last night reiterated to me that we are talking about human beings (with the same feelings as us) and not just commodities to be bought and sold when no longer needed. As much as we were disappointed in his performance and the result, I have no doubt he felt the heartache far, far more than we do.
 
Bandicoot said:
The fact that the Swans have played in almost every finals series since 1996 is a testament to the wonderful job that Kinnear Beatson and his team have done over the past 20 years. (Not sure if Kinnear has been in charge the whole period). Unlike every other team in that period we have never bottomed out and been rewarded with early draft picks but have done it by astute trading and recruiting.
So many people jumped up and down when we committed so much of our TPP to Buddy yet he has been worth every cent. It may well prove to be a major problem in 4-5 years when he will be past his best but we SHOULD HAVE won two premierships in the 3 years he has been with us. In fact, if it weren't for Buddy, I very much doubt we would have even been in either of our recent GF losses.
The one and only real error made by the team was committing so much money to Tippett who has barely returned half the investment we have put into him and is now going to cost us a very good player or two. I often wonder if we would have actually gone through with the Tippett deal had we known at the time that Buddy wanted to come to the Swans in 2014.
The problem that I see now is that we will continue to be competitive and a top 4 side for the next 4-5 years however I don't see a premiership coming in that time. Frankenstein (the bloody monster the AFL have built) also known as GWS will imo win the next 4-5 flags and the AFL will be quite pleased with itself because of their "this is the team we built" mentality.
In watching the best & fairest last night, I was upset after watching Benny McGlynn's farewell speech. The amount of comments posted on this thread since the GF loss (including by myself) as to "him being useless" and "get rid of McGlynn" has been terrible. Watching last night reiterated to me that we are talking about human beings (with the same feelings as us) and not just commodities to be bought and sold when no longer needed. As much as we were disappointed in his performance and the result, I have no doubt he felt the heartache far, far more than we do.
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I agree with most of what you said except for two things. On McGlynn, I don't recall anyone on here ever having the slightest thing to say against him as a character. From all accounts he's a pretty well-loved figure at the club by fans, players and staff alike. To a lot of folks (myself included) he just wasn't up to scratch for a decent chunk of this season. He had somewhat of a mini-renaissance in the last month, but I think the grand final proved a mini-renaissance isn't enough to sustain another contract. Most of us knew that on here and I think in an ideal world we'd all have liked Benny to produce his best form regularly so he could go another few years and get that flag.

As for GWS, I think we all need to take a chill pill re this lot. Yeah they're a bloody good side in their primes, but I still think they are one-dimensional. They are at their best when they get their running game going, and Port Adelaide in 2014 proved that that style of footy can get found out very easily. Once you take away their ability to play with that outside spread and pace, they're still a good, hard, tough side that can win the ball. But that is all they are. And it puts them on the same level as us, or the Bulldogs. What I do think they have that is enviable, as well as the Bulldogs, is a very large midfield group. You have Ward, Shiel, Coniglio, Smith, Scully, Hopper, Griffen, Greene, Kelly and Whitfield who can all go through the midfield and alleviate the pressure off each other. We have JPK, Hanners, Jack and Parker. We'll probably lose Mitchell, and other than those four, we really only have Heeney and Lloyd as midfield options. I'd like to see Hewett get in the midfield more, as well as the likes of Robinson, Foote etc. because we can't expect the same five guys to be winning us games against midfields twice their size.
 
caesar88 said:
I agree with most of what you said except for two things. On McGlynn, I don't recall anyone on here ever having the slightest thing to say against him as a character. From all accounts he's a pretty well-loved figure at the club by fans, players and staff alike. To a lot of folks (myself included) he just wasn't up to scratch for a decent chunk of this season. He had somewhat of a mini-renaissance in the last month, but I think the grand final proved a mini-renaissance isn't enough to sustain another contract. Most of us knew that on here and I think in an ideal world we'd all have liked Benny to produce his best form regularly so he could go another few years and get that flag.

As for GWS, I think we all need to take a chill pill re this lot. Yeah they're a bloody good side in their primes, but I still think they are one-dimensional. They are at their best when they get their running game going, and Port Adelaide in 2014 proved that that style of footy can get found out very easily. Once you take away their ability to play with that outside spread and pace, they're still a good, hard, tough side that can win the ball. But that is all they are. And it puts them on the same level as us, or the Bulldogs. What I do think they have that is enviable, as well as the Bulldogs, is a very large midfield group. You have Ward, Shiel, Coniglio, Smith, Scully, Hopper, Griffen, Greene, Kelly and Whitfield who can all go through the midfield and alleviate the pressure off each other. We have JPK, Hanners, Jack and Parker. We'll probably lose Mitchell, and other than those four, we really only have Heeney and Lloyd as midfield options. I'd like to see Hewett get in the midfield more, as well as the likes of Robinson, Foote etc. because we can't expect the same five guys to be winning us games against midfields twice their size.
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Gee wiz, its over the top
 
caesar88 said:
I agree with most of what you said except for two things. On McGlynn, I don't recall anyone on here ever having the slightest thing to say against him as a character. From all accounts he's a pretty well-loved figure at the club by fans, players and staff alike. To a lot of folks (myself included) he just wasn't up to scratch for a decent chunk of this season. He had somewhat of a mini-renaissance in the last month, but I think the grand final proved a mini-renaissance isn't enough to sustain another contract. Most of us knew that on here and I think in an ideal world we'd all have liked Benny to produce his best form regularly so he could go another few years and get that flag.

As for GWS, I think we all need to take a chill pill re this lot. Yeah they're a bloody good side in their primes, but I still think they are one-dimensional. They are at their best when they get their running game going, and Port Adelaide in 2014 proved that that style of footy can get found out very easily. Once you take away their ability to play with that outside spread and pace, they're still a good, hard, tough side that can win the ball. But that is all they are. And it puts them on the same level as us, or the Bulldogs. What I do think they have that is enviable, as well as the Bulldogs, is a very large midfield group. You have Ward, Shiel, Coniglio, Smith, Scully, Hopper, Griffen, Greene, Kelly and Whitfield who can all go through the midfield and alleviate the pressure off each other. We have JPK, Hanners, Jack and Parker. We'll probably lose Mitchell, and other than those four, we really only have Heeney and Lloyd as midfield options. I'd like to see Hewett get in the midfield more, as well as the likes of Robinson, Foote etc. because we can't expect the same five guys to be winning us games against midfields twice their size.
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Shit. Someones feeling normal again
 
caesar88 said:
I agree with most of what you said except for two things. On McGlynn, I don't recall anyone on here ever having the slightest thing to say against him as a character. From all accounts he's a pretty well-loved figure at the club by fans, players and staff alike. To a lot of folks (myself included) he just wasn't up to scratch for a decent chunk of this season. He had somewhat of a mini-renaissance in the last month, but I think the grand final proved a mini-renaissance isn't enough to sustain another contract. Most of us knew that on here and I think in an ideal world we'd all have liked Benny to produce his best form regularly so he could go another few years and get that flag.

As for GWS, I think we all need to take a chill pill re this lot. Yeah they're a bloody good side in their primes, but I still think they are one-dimensional. They are at their best when they get their running game going, and Port Adelaide in 2014 proved that that style of footy can get found out very easily. Once you take away their ability to play with that outside spread and pace, they're still a good, hard, tough side that can win the ball. But that is all they are. And it puts them on the same level as us, or the Bulldogs. What I do think they have that is enviable, as well as the Bulldogs, is a very large midfield group. You have Ward, Shiel, Coniglio, Smith, Scully, Hopper, Griffen, Greene, Kelly and Whitfield who can all go through the midfield and alleviate the pressure off each other. We have JPK, Hanners, Jack and Parker. We'll probably lose Mitchell, and other than those four, we really only have Heeney and Lloyd as midfield options. I'd like to see Hewett get in the midfield more, as well as the likes of Robinson, Foote etc. because we can't expect the same five guys to be winning us games against midfields twice their size.
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Mmm.
And you never see them getting a 20-8 free kick count against them plus a dozen other negative decisions.

If the Swans got the umpire treatment that Norf/Richmond/Bulldgs/Saints/Essendon get eac and every year, then we would have won 2006 and 2016. That's 4 flags from 5 grand final appearances. We should be suing the umpiring department for fraud, misleading and deceptive conduct AND attempted murder.
 

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My first choice would be a two-way mid with legspeed. We need guys who can run back quickly to give the defence a chop out when the likes of Scully, Shiel and Wilson burn us on the rebound.
 
Grongey said:
And to think we traded Mummy - out. He went within a hairs breath of delivering the flag to GWS this season.
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In hindsight, it was probably a list management error to get rid of mummy. He's an enforcer and someone who intimidates the opposition. We definitely could have used him in 2014.

I think his real worth, is the brutality he brings to the field that makes everyone around walk that little bit taller.

Obviously hindsight talking, but we could have gotten rid of a titch or Reid and kept mummy
 
Was Mummy worth 600k a year though?

This is the problem. We only offered him a Pyke-type salary. GWS gave him Eddie Betts-type money.
 
I kind of wish we didn't have Tippett next year so XR can still be in the forward line. I assume we're only gonna go with three talls, Buddy the obvious one, they've already said they want Reid to get up so he can play at half forward, which leaves Tippett and XR. I'd rather XR and Reid in the same forward line. Would take pressure of XR to be a marking forward (it's not really his strong point), and he's more mobile than Tippett.

I reckon with Buddy, XR and Reid (even though i've been harsh on him) I reckon we could have a pretty mobile forward line. Instead we'll have cement-foot Tippett in the goal-square :huh:
 
caesar88 said:
I kind of wish we didn't have Tippett next year so XR can still be in the forward line. I assume we're only gonna go with three talls, Buddy the obvious one, they've already said they want Reid to get up so he can play at half forward, which leaves Tippett and XR. I'd rather XR and Reid in the same forward line. Would take pressure of XR to be a marking forward (it's not really his strong point), and he's more mobile than Tippett.

I reckon with Buddy, XR and Reid (even though i've been harsh on him) I reckon we could have a pretty mobile forward line. Instead we'll have cement-foot Tippett in the goal-square :huh:
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Nah Tippo in the ruck. Buddy, Reid & Sincas forward.
Naismith & Nank in the NEAFL ready to be backup.

Sinclair = KEY FORWARD
 

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SouthSwans said:
Why has everyone got it in for Sincas?
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Well, he did have some pretty bad games. I don't think he's shit, but he needs to learn to hold his marks and use his size better for a start.
Honestly key forward isn't the worst position for him if he is fit, I would give it a go at some stage next year.
 

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