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Because the likely top two picks this year are best mates, so if anything giving them the top two picks helps the likelihood of retention.I agree with that but what does giving pick 1 to a club with a terrible retention record help with? The player will just leave in 2 years.
They've solved a lot of their off field issues now that they're based in buildings instead of demountables. What specific measures will "attract better quality mature players in trades"? Not every club is lucky enough to hire a Chris Fagan. The only thing I can see actually being a big enough measure to help them is removing the off field spending cap for a few years so they can spend more on welfare.They need more off field assistance to build their club so a) it becomes a place young players want to stay and b) they can attract better quality mature players in trades.
A bit of myth with retention. Only one player left after 2 years - Caddy! All players Suns wanted to keep - Prestia, JOM, Lynch, Ablett, May - left after 5+ years looking for success. At present, most important players for Suns have already extended their contracts this year. The only remaining are Martin (probably gone, similar story to Lynch, May) and Ah Chee.I agree with that but what does giving pick 1 to a club with a terrible retention record help with? The player will just leave in 2 years. They need more off field assistance to build their club so a) it becomes a place young players want to stay and b) they can attract better quality mature players in trades.
Winning 3-4 games more a season definitely help retention. If you look at GWS they can't retain players but they get reasonable draft pick back from Carlton and other club and refresh their list. ( eg taranto, caldwell, Hill etc). Drafting some local like Shipley and Green help too. You can't do it all in one go.I agree with that but what does giving pick 1 to a club with a terrible retention record help with? The player will just leave in 2 years. They need more off field assistance to build their club so a) it becomes a place young players want to stay and b) they can attract better quality mature players in trades.
amen brotherGood post there thurls64.
There's a bigger picture in play here for the AFL. It's more than the win/loss record of the Suns that the AFL are judging the success of the team on.
Of course they'd like them to be winning games, that's a no brainer. But they were brought into the comp to take on the NRL and to grow the game in a rugby dominated environment.
People calling for the team to be removed from the competition are short sighted and have no idea of what the AFL are trying to achieve.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good storyA bit of myth with retention. Only one player left after 2 years - Caddy! All players Suns wanted to keep - Prestia, JOM, Lynch, Ablett, May - left after 5+ years looking for success. At present, most important players for Suns have already extended their contracts this year. The only remaining are Martin (probably gone, similar story to Lynch, May) and Ah Chee.
Total revamp of the club including facilities and personnel during the last 18 month should help with retention. The only thing Suns need now is start winning . Healthy list would help. OK, Rowell + Anderson, extra salary cap, extra soft cap, better academy area would also help.
But that only because you are paying stupid overs?A bit of myth with retention. Only one player left after 2 years - Caddy! All players Suns wanted to keep - Prestia, JOM, Lynch, Ablett, May - left after 5+ years looking for success. At present, most important players for Suns have already extended their contracts this year. The only remaining are Martin (probably gone, similar story to Lynch, May) and Ah Chee.
Total revamp of the club including facilities and personnel during the last 18 month should help with retention. The only thing Suns need now is start winning . Healthy list would help. OK, Rowell + Anderson, extra salary cap, extra soft cap, better academy area would also help.
New list management, no stupid overs this time.But that only because you are paying stupid overs?
Interestingly, nobody talks about number of players who left GWS. It's much higher number. Also plenty of other clubs with many players left. Once Suns starts winning, it will be actually attractive destination.Don't let facts get in the way of a good story
We did that last year getting good characters into the club. The likes of Horlin Smith and Miles who came from successful cultures to come in and help drive standards, and the likes of Hombsch, who are blokes with good character who can show the younger players how to do it. The likes of GHS doesn't get a game every week but helps drive that internal culture forward, he was elected to the leadership group after only being at the club for a couple of months. We also have the likes of Andrew Swallow as a development coach who has experience being a leader at the footy club, he also runs around in the 2's and can provide that leadership to our younger/academy players as well.Gold Coast need senior players with great leadership qualities to drive the culture..
If I am the suns I would be approaching the Crows and getting a deal for Tex Walker and Bryce Gibbs, I suspect the crows would be happy to lose both who are on big salaries.
Walker was once considered the best captain in the game, his form has been hot and cold but i think the other attributes he could bring to the young Suns list could out weigh this. He also would sit at full forward and allow Lukosious to develop along side him.
Gibbs, is out of favour with the Crows so probably just happy to go anywhere but would add a touch of mature class to the midfield or half back lines and allow Rowell to develop on his own terms.
We did that last year getting good characters into the club. The likes of Horlin Smith and Miles who came from successful cultures to come in and help drive standards, and the likes of Hombsch, who are blokes with good character who can show the younger players how to do it. The likes of GHS doesn't get a game every week but helps drive that internal culture forward, he was elected to the leadership group after only being at the club for a couple of months. We also have the likes of Andrew Swallow as a development coach who has experience being a leader at the footy club, he also runs around in the 2's and can provide that leadership to our younger/academy players as well.
We also have the likes of Witts and Swallow as our captains, who are now on long term deals buying into the club culture.
Tex Walker I am not massively convinced improves our forward line that much, especially since we have Wright and Day re-sign earlier this year, I can't see us adding another key forward.
Don't really want to be taking Gibbs on. Talent wise, he may still have it, but I wouldn't want to be paying his wages, if Adelaide offered to stump up his wages, then I would think about it.
Sounds like you have it all covered and should be playing finals next year.
Haha would trade our #1 pick to have a good run with injuries for a season to see how our list actually matches up across the competition. Both our starting KPD having season ending injuries does hurt us, allowing the likes of Sean Mckernan to look like Wayne Carey.Sounds like you have it all covered and should be playing finals next year.
You're advocating they bring players to improve the culture, and then suggest Gibbs? That's odd, given the reports about him. If there's any Adelaide player the Suns should be looking to get for culture it's Betts, he's a real class act.Gold Coast need senior players with great leadership qualities to drive the culture..
If I am the suns I would be approaching the Crows and getting a deal for Tex Walker and Bryce Gibbs, I suspect the crows would be happy to lose both who are on big salaries.
I’d love Pendlebury but I don’t think he will ever leave the piesThey should talk to the pies
Offer pendels the captains band
Get sack up there
Get Ben Reid as a chance going forward
Recruit Thomas as a local boy
That's what should happen
3 experienced leaders
End of next year.Darcy MacPherson has been by far the Suns most improved player this year. Is he out of contract?
New list management, no stupid overs this time.
Witts, Swallow, Thompson, Day and young core Miller, Wright, Ainsworth, Bowes, Macpherson, Powell, Rankine, Ballard are actually happy to be at GC. I know it's hard to comprehend this for some Melbourne media, fans.
Mate the suns might be getting a dividend similar to other clubs but your not counting the tens of millions in extra payments you are receiving each season to keep you solvent with the amount of members and the size of the crowds you are getting at the moment there is no way you would be surving of the dividend alone the numbers just do not add up !One extra game every week due to GWS/Suns existence means extra 55-60M for AFL according to the broadcast deal so nobody is losing money.
As far as Suns bleeding money, I suggest you to check out clubs annual reports. Yes, in 2018 AFL distributed 25M to Suns but at the same time it allocated 21M to the club you support, St Kilda, that was around like forever! 21M was also distributed to GWS and Brisbane. If you go further back, St Kilda received essentially the same distributions from AFL as Suns, only 1-2M less!
At the same time check out sponsorship numbers. In most years, Suns are equal or even better than St. Kilda!
I don't know, but just maybe St. Kilda or North Melbourne should relocate to Tasmania as national competition with 9 clubs in Melbourne for sure does not make sense especially when several clubs in Melbourne need to be prop up by AFL.
Footy is growing and doing well in QLD at grass root level. Because AFL totally mess up Suns set up does not mean there is no growing market for extra team in QLD. Suns are back on the right track since Evans join them 2 years ago. Give it a couple of years and you will have 2 strong QLD teams.
Where are these extra payments you are referring to, aren't the AFL numbers financial numbers public? (If they are there and there is proof I stand corrected) Initially, the set up, yeah we had hundreds of millions put in, but we are starting to slowly turn it around. We have/are renegotiated the awful stadium deal we had originally. We have our second highest membership result ever this year. We pulled 16k on the weekend versus Essendon as well. Its not all doom and gloom hopefully we can start seeing more results on the field to start pulling crowds back to the times we were pulling 15-20k a game consistently (currently avg a bit under 12k this year, including 1 game in Townsville).Mate the suns might be getting a dividend similar to other clubs but your not counting the tens of millions in extra payments you are receiving each season to keep you solvent with the amount of members and the size of the crowds you are getting at the moment there is no way you would be surving of the dividend alone the numbers just do not add up !
Are you suggesting that annual financial reports by each club and AFL are joke and there are some secret payments from AFL?Mate the suns might be getting a dividend similar to other clubs but your not counting the tens of millions in extra payments you are receiving each season to keep you solvent with the amount of members and the size of the crowds you are getting at the moment there is no way you would be surving of the dividend alone the numbers just do not add up !
im not saying the suns are the only club but It’s know secret mate the afl openly admit it who do you think pays the millions to run your academy every year who set up the neafl and pays for your reserves to fly around eastern Australia ever second week these are large costs that the afl provide on top of your dividends each year!Are you suggesting that annual financial reports by each club and AFL are joke and there are some secret payments from AFL?
Is a know secret a secret?N
im not saying the suns are the only club but It’s know secret mate the afl openly admit it who do you think pays the millions to run your academy every year who set up the neafl and pays for your reserves to fly around eastern Australia ever second week these are large costs that the afl provide on top of your dividends each year!