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and with some more luck, they might have had 5 or 6 wins on the board before injury ruined their season. They have lots of kids meaning they lack depth. With a heap of 1st round talent already on their list - the very point GHil made last year in not awarding a PP, they will be fine - just need to get the right structures in place behind the scenes and get that footy department firing and reduce injuries. If they only had faith in their own list it has potential to go places
What I mean is they won 3 games but lost a few others by the barest of margins. Their 1st 22 is competitive but once they lost players from there to injury the lack of depth showed as they were asking inexperienced players to fill holes. The AFL know how much top end talent they already have and they will know that earlier on they were competitive..just need a few more things to go right. Don't forget this year they will add one of Anderson or Rowell who should slot straight in and they have Brisbane's 1st rounder so there are 2 more 1st round picks to be added to the squadAh yes injuries ruined their season, not the fact that they were a basket case and couldnt score.
Gold Coast had a bad injury run this year too just btw.
interesting sliding doors on the AFL site. Backs up what has been said industry wise that the clubs are dead set against a PP being given at the pointy endThose things already pose several problems to the integrity to draft, but at least they are pre-existing elements of the draft, something clubs can prepare for.
PP’s is the AFL directly manipulating the draft, and this comes after they basically said that 1st rd PP’s we’re going to be a thing of the past.
If | the Suns get what they want, and what some at the AFL believe they need - the first two picks in the national draft (their own ladder-position pick as well as an AFL commission-granted priority selection) ... |
then | there will be an outcry like we've never before seen from other clubs. |
They do need more. They weren't set up properly and have been repeatedly neglected by the AFL. They don't have the history of success of the Lions, the veterans, the culture and until recently they had far worse facilities too.Brisbane got an end of first round PP and couldnt keep young kids at the club with the go home five etc. A couple of years later and they are on top of the ladder with one of the most exciting teams in the AFL which should see them playing finals for years to come. GC on the other hand are special and need even more freebies than Brisbane, and for sure Carlton got.
Hitting the bottom of the barrel when you are quoting Damien Barrett. Loves sticking the boot into us whenever he gets a chance, up there with Micheal Warner as having a real hate boner for the Suns.interesting sliding doors on the AFL site. Backs up what has been said industry wise that the clubs are dead set against a PP being given at the pointy end
If the Suns get what they want, and what some at the AFL believe they need - the first two picks in the national draft (their own ladder-position pick as well as an AFL commission-granted priority selection) ... then there will be an outcry like we've never before seen from other clubs.
I just love how GC supporters on here are telling us how stuffed their club is and how that vindicates Pick 1 as a PP, yet none are going into how their club stuffed it up by themselves and what they need to do to fix it. Its all 100% everyone else's problem and they must get free top kids to fix it.
Brisbane got an end of first round PP and couldnt keep young kids at the club with the go home five etc. A couple of years later and they are on top of the ladder with one of the most exciting teams in the AFL which should see them playing finals for years to come. GC on the other hand are special and need even more freebies than Brisbane, and for sure Carlton got.
Signingt players rated 50-100 in this draft does sweet FA to fixing the problem - that is like giving someone a band aid for an amputated arm
Every little bit helps however. Also, isn't Budarick a 1st round prospect. Gold Coast aren't a basket case as many think and have the pieces in place. Brisbane were as bad off a few years ago and look at them now. Giving them the 2nd pick is excessive and disadvantages other clubs at the pointy end.
Little bit doesn't help, we need a lot.
Budarick is 175cm and not quick.
It's worth a debate but ultimately is dependent on what the AFL want to do. The fact that 1 & 2 are best friends and would likely stay together on the GC is a fact not lost on either the AFL or the Suns
You do realise that AFL as a competition is not fair. Check out PPs at the beginning of first round awarded to Melbourne clubs up until 2009. Was it fair for Melbourne receiving PP1 and drafting Scully with it in 2009 or for that matter Collingwood drafting Dale Thomas with PP2 in 2005? Or check out how many farther/son recruits Suns got vs Melbourne clubs or how about to compare NGA recruits vs Suns academy recruits the last year. AFL can't afford to have Suns stay at the bottom long-term from broadcast/commercial point hence assistance needed.I think you are better off then you realise. Brisbane were in a similar situation 3-4 years ago and look at them now. That alone makes me feel like and end of first round pick (which you can trade) and letting academy prospects through the backdoor is enough.
In saying that, I personally think you guys should use some of those assets to trade for pick 2 itself. If the AFL were to just hand you the 2nd pick, then it directly affects whoever is shortly after (2-5 range). If you however can get a package together for the second pick, that makes it much fairer on Melbourne as a club as they receive a better value, and it doesn't affect any clubs after Melbourne.
Signingt players rated 50-100 in this draft does sweet FA to fixing the problem - that is like giving someone a band aid for an amputated arm.
My thinking exactly, if they aren't easily best 22 players in our team, there is no point.I'd say further to this - surely signing guys that are borderline AFL quality just for 'professional standards' is an experiment that can be over.
Rosa, Barlow, GHS, Miles, C.Ellis.
Unless they are genuinely being held back by their former club (Witts - tough ruck battle), it's not worthy getting in a pile of C graders. They don't help win games and I'd be astonished if they really are setting the standard.
You do realise that AFL as a competition is not fair. Check out PPs at the beginning of first round awarded to Melbourne clubs up until 2009. Was it fair for Melbourne receiving PP1 and drafting Scully with it in 2009 or for that matter Collingwood drafting Dale Thomas with PP2 in 2005? Or check out how many farther/son recruits Suns got vs Melbourne clubs or how about to compare NGA recruits vs Suns academy recruits the last year. AFL can't afford to have Suns stay at the bottom long-term from broadcast/commercial point hence assistance needed.
The problem with this, and both the Suns/AFL know it, is Melbourne would keep the second pick at all costs knowing they are in pole position to pick up (a year or two later) whichever of Rowell/Anderson ends up at the Suns.In saying that, I personally think you guys should use some of those assets to trade for pick 2 itself. If the AFL were to just hand you the 2nd pick, then it directly affects whoever is shortly after (2-5 range). If you however can get a package together for the second pick, that makes it much fairer on Melbourne as a club as they receive a better value, and it doesn't affect any clubs after Melbourne.
No it doesn't. Half-arsed assistance has a good chance of providing nothing tangible to help, while giving everyone opposed to assistance for struggling clubs something to point to and say "look, they got help! They don't need any more help, it's been tried and they're just too incompetent to take advantage of it!".Every little bit helps however.
Not a single major draft watcher thinks that. Go to the Phantom Draft board and check the rankings.Also, isn't Budarick a 1st round prospect.
Brisbane also have one of the most respected coaches in the game, one of the most competent football managers in the game and a plethora of young talent hitting the beginning of their prime years. That stuff doesn't grow on trees. We also had the good fortune that an emerging superstar was from Brisbane and demanded a trade home. That isn't likely to happen for Gold Coast anytime soon.Gold Coast aren't a basket case as many think and have the pieces in place. Brisbane were as bad off a few years ago and look at them now.
St Kilda earned pick 3 last year, was it fair that they didn't end up drafting there? GWS earned pick 3 in 2014, was it fair that they didn't end up drafting there?Crows who have the third pick earned that via a trade so yes, it is fair they receive that pick.
It could be something like:What's their ideal team in 3 years?
Collins, Thompson, Ballard
Joyce, Lemmens, ******?
Witts
Miller, Swallow, Bowes, Weller, Brodie, Fiorini
Wright, B.King, Lukiosus
Rankine, Ainsworth, Sexton
Bench/depth: MacPherson, Corbett, Hombsch, Burgess, C.Ellis, Day, Powell, Graham, McLennan, Nutting, Schoenfield
Possible draftees: Anderson & Rowell*, 2020 top 3 pick, Budarick
Possible trades: J.Martin, Ah Chee
Gone: Miles, GHS, Hanley (retire), Harbrow (retire), Nicholls, Young, Murdoch, Crossley
I'd expect some of Corbett, Hombsch, Burgess, Ellis, and the recent draftees (Nutting, McLennan, Graham) to not make it, and be gone. Maybe 3-4 of those. Just in terms of statistical likelihood of nailing a draft and keeping similar players on a list.
The problem with this, and both the Suns/AFL know it, is Melbourne would keep the second pick at all costs knowing they are in pole position to pick up (a year or two later) whichever of Rowell/Anderson ends up at the Suns.
I think the pairing of these kids is the most logical way of shielding the Suns from a worse retention problem in the short term.