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This season? Pretty much.What are you building, this? View attachment 502979
But itll improve. Always next year.
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This season? Pretty much.What are you building, this? View attachment 502979
Lucky we dont then
The problem for the Suns is that they've barely made an imprint on the competition. They don't really settle in the mind yet as a club identity, which is dangerous in their 8th year of existence. Compare that to Freo and the Cowboys, who came from football mad states and had a successful bigger brother as motivation to beat. The Suns are Carrara 2.0 at this point.
I personally still have a lot of faith in GWS off-field. Other than a form slump over the last 12 months, they've gone about everything the right way, they have a foothold.
Premierships, Port 1 GWS 0......yeah more successful right???Expansion club's average home crowds in their 7th seasons
Gold Coast: 71% of first season
GWS: 94.9%
Brisbane Bears: 124.4%
Fremantle: 91.0%
Port Adelaide: 88.8%
Gold Coast is a complete failure, GWS is more successful than any club except the Bears.
No, neither club has ever played to an empty stadium. It obviously makes no contribution to the debate when you state nonsense like this.Yes they do
Premierships, Port 1 GWS 0......yeah more successful right???
Actually the smallest crowd we've played too this year by a big margin was Bellerieve.Pretty well my view too.
The view of a near empty GWS stadium is not great, so still work to do their on the optics. Such a big area is attractive for the AFL, so the strategy is clear. Its a generational approach. Their are NRL clubs & HAL & T20 teams, so people do follow their sports. Maybe not like we do, but they do have a history of supporting local clubs.
GC, on the other hand has failed time & time again to support any professional sport. Even the NRL keeps struggling. Again, the people their go to beaches & to retire. The history is clear. GC has been the forever black hole for sport. The people have other preferences for their time.
So will the AFL keep throwing $10's millions each year at GC? For how long?
2004. Until GWS win 2 they won’t be more successful than portYep because Port won the flag in their 7th season which was in 2003, didn't they?
2004.
Actually the smallest crowd we've played too this year by a big margin was Bellerieve.
No, neither club has ever played to an empty stadium. It obviously makes no contribution to the debate when you state nonsense like this.
Very true about GWS. I lived in the area in recent years (now in Brissy), could see Spotless from where I live (and Manuka several years earlier), and the Giants are casually appreciated, the local media is affectionate, you see the merchandise getting around at community events, election days, kicks at the local park, etc. I see the grassroots approach feeding into the culture. You might meet some locals who have never heard of the Giants, but in workplaces and local shops they'll get a good word here and there. It is generational. The swans have an entirely different supporter base for now, decades of rusted-on passion with generations of supporters. On gameday the train lines for hours up and down the coast are infested with loyal Swans supporters. GWS is working in a slightly different market, one they will never dominate and must share with other codes, one you don't really see from the Sydney CBD. But I think GWS will grow to be one of the nation's biggest all-purpose sports clubs, something with an involving saturday family presence for boys and girls, whether they play this or that, and the AFL will be at the heart of that enterprise.Pretty well my view too.
The view of a near empty GWS stadium is not great, so still work to do their on the optics. Such a big area is attractive for the AFL, so the strategy is clear. Its a generational approach. Their are NRL clubs & HAL & T20 teams, so people do follow their sports. Maybe not like we do, but they do have a history of supporting local clubs.
GC, on the other hand has failed time & time again to support any professional sport. Even the NRL keeps struggling. Again, the people their go to beaches & to retire. The history is clear. GC has been the forever black hole for sport. The people have other preferences for their time.
So will the AFL keep throwing $10's millions each year at GC? For how long?
Doesn't embarrass me at all, it needed to be said.So 2 poorly supported clubs fly from their home to a place with a football history & is continually kicked in the guts by the AFL, & expect what?
Its an embarrassment for you to even mention that.
Personally I though it was great. It was a message to the AFL. 'Shove your shyte clubs & games somewhere else'.
I'm proud I never went.
Gold Coast was, is & will be a failure. Footy just isn’t big in the area, support not growing big enough & the team not doing as well as they should, nor expected.
GWS very similar despite getting an even bigger leg-up from the AFL with concessions, plus actually doing the right thing as far as recruitment went going for more established stars to join their list at the start. Can’t compete with soccer in western Sydney & rugby for the rest, might be millions of people in Sydney but it’s proving to be a hard slog to get people through the gates. Regardless of how long they’ve been in, it’s embarassing a pretty recent top of the table clash brought about 10,000 along.
When you say something in that isn't true do you think it contributes to the debate?If you take the statement empty as zero people attending as literal then ok. GWS and GCS have very very few attendees.
See I amended my statement.
You're side tracking yourself with semantics about stadium builds.
Every League team has a clear identity.
Sydney FC, like WSW has a clear identity...both have little to do with geography.
WSW has had 10's of thousands of supporters from day one. The people who support them do so because they have a clear identity.
All of the Melbourne, South Australian and West Australian AFL teams have their own identity.
GWS does not have its own identity, yet.
GWS's identity is wholly encompassed by the AFL & its brand. People don't want to support the AFL, they want to support a team, a team that they identify with in some way.
People of Western Sydney (in large enough numbers to create a club & identity) won't support GWS that sometimes plays in Canberra. That is the AFL having a bet each way. If the AFL itself won't commit to Western Sydney why would the people of Western Sydney commit to a sort of/maybe Western Sydney AFL team?
There is a reason why the most successful enterprises (sporting or corporate) are the ones that have a strong & clear identity.
Coke.
Apple.
It is business strategy 101.
If Gold Coast weren't so poor on-field I actually think they would be doing better with attendances than GWS.
I was fine with expansion but only wanted 1 team in new territory north and the 2nd in Tasmania.