Club Focus Gold Coast - Do they still need the pick 19 priority pick in 2021?

[Lore]

Data from footywire. To check the draft order (updated weekly) see the thread here.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

King averaged 7.1 Disposals in his 17 Games.
Budarick averaged 9.2 Disposals in his 15 Games.

The top ten probably without looking played more games and had more influence, their time will come.

I thought both were great. Better than say Ellis who despite getting decent numbers (18 a game) he only played 16 himself, wouldn't have been top 7-8 players most games. Depends on their voting model I guess.

 

[Shinboner1]

Massive haul by GC this year. Want AFL to cut the concessions now and treat them like every other club or it will start getting ridiculous.
Even a change to their instant signing of academy kids would be something otherwise they'll end up with a 50+ side of a graders and barely have to pay them due to rookie rules.

 

[Scotty_222]

Massive haul by GC this year. Want AFL to cut the concessions now and treat them like every other club or it will start getting ridiculous.
Even a change to their instant signing of academy kids would be something otherwise they'll end up with a 50+ side of a graders and barely have to pay them due to rookie rules.

I hope we don’t end up like the giants. All these young kids and can’t sign them all..

 

[Shinboner1]

I hope we don’t end up like the giants. All these young kids and can’t sign them all..

Its going to happen, especially when they start to dominate the league.
AFL will probably come up with some rule where you only have to pay 1/5 of their contracts to keep the side together.

 

[Peel67skin]

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Its going to happen, especially when they start to dominate the league.
AFL will probably come up with some rule where you only have to pay 1/5 of their contracts to keep the side together.

I really hope so , anything given for free i take it , regardless of what opposition opinion , take it and then worry about it later.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

I thought both were great. Better than say Ellis who despite getting decent numbers (18 a game) he only played 16 himself, wouldn't have been top 7-8 players most games. Depends on their voting model I guess.

Ellis would have finished relatively high in our board medal.
We have literally no outside runners, hence the Rory Atkins

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Rory Atkins

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

CL

0.3

2star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

CL

1.0

3star

pickup.
Ellis was quite valuable in that role. Can see his worth more when at the games live.

think our best and fairest is more favourable to consistency than one off big games. Ainsworth and Ballard the clear next best 2 for me.

 

[Julia#13]

A lot has been made about GC's list size but I think a fair few will depart next year looking at the contract list above. Harbrow most likely retires, and can see Smith, Lemmens, Hombsch, Townsend, plus a few more cuts. There will also most likely be one of their youngsters requesting a move home (possibly Sharp or Flanders). I think there will be around 10 list changes and they'll do something similar to what they did this year. Pre-list a few GC academy boys, make 1 or 2 draft picks, and try and trade for an experienced best 22 player or depth.

 

[Peel67skin]

A lot has been made about GC's list size but I think a fair few will depart next year looking at the contract list above. Harbrow most likely retires, and can see Smith, Lemmens, Hombsch, Townsend, plus a few more cuts. There will also most likely be one of their youngsters requesting a move home (possibly Sharp or Flanders). I think there will be around 10 list changes and they'll do something similar to what they did this year. Pre-list a few GC academy boys, make 1 or 2 draft picks, and try and trade for an experienced best 22 player or depth.

Can't pre list next year, already stated on trade radio.
Burgess and Holman more likely to demoted to rookie list , or other club willing to pick them out GCS don't need to paid their 2022 contract .

 

[Marcel Proust]

Iirc , the suns hold the 'end of first round pick' (19) currently in next years apparently solid draft pool.

Is this charity pick still required? Gold coast already look stacked , can they even fit in another young talent into the overflowing list?

 

[Thetrader15]

No.

And they didn't need to in the first place.

 

[PMBangers]

Probably not but there's no harm in letting them keep it, we're seeing them now loaded with young talent, but there's still the possibility of a future exodus of top enders like King, Luko, Rankine, etc., giving them 19 still is just a small insurance policy for if that happens (or when, an exodus to some degree is almost certain considering how good these kids are already)

The pre-listing academy kids is the advantage they have I'd look at taking away

 

[Peel67skin]

Probably not but there's no harm in letting them keep it, we're seeing them now loaded with young talent, but there's still the possibility of a future exodus of top enders like King, Luko, Rankine, etc., giving them 19 still is just a small insurance policy for if that happens (or when, an exodus to some degree is almost certain considering how good these kids are already)

The pre-listing academy kids is the advantage they have I'd look at taking away

I rather not having pick 19 , pre listing academy kids is a must for keeping local talent and Darwin zone ,where there is no go home factor players like GWS .

 

[Marcel Proust]

Probably not but there's no harm in letting them keep it, we're seeing them now loaded with young talent, but there's still the possibility of a future exodus of top enders like King, Luko, Rankine, etc., giving them 19 still is just a small insurance policy for if that happens (or when, an exodus to some degree is almost certain considering how good these kids are already)

The pre-listing academy kids is the advantage they have I'd look at taking away

Davies and Jeffery sound like excellent pick ups

 

[PMBangers]

I rather not having pick 19 , pre listing academy kids is a must for keeping local talent and Darwin zone ,where there is no go home factor .

I'd also rather not have Pick 19 if I were in that position, because a massive advantage, that's why it should be the main one looked at

 

[Peel67skin]

I'd also rather not have Pick 19 if I were in that position, because a massive advantage, that's why it should be the main one looked at

I dont see the reason for that , promote local talent .DARWIN zone - No guarantee Rosa can make it either . Jefferey ? .
Brodie lake hype by Adelaide BF fan but end up nobody pick him up .

 

[PMBangers]

I dont see the reason for that , promote local talent . No guarantee Rosa can make it either .

I didn't mention any of the players you've picked up for a reason, no kid is a guarantee, the issue is there's currently no compromise for the Suns to get these kids, you're just signing them straight up to the rookie list for free hits. If the kids are seen as good enough prospects the Suns will still match the bids in the draft

 

[Jen2310]

I think the pre-listing will be removed this year, as I remember Craig Cameron mentioning they would need to accumilate points, would be imply they won't have the luxury of pre-listing in 2021

 

[The 747]

Carlton didn't get Martin for nothing?
Martin isn't happy?
Gold Coast had to swallow their pride after all the initial chest-puffing?
They're not facts?

I don't know how Carlton come out looking bad for not trading out their first rounder for a player GC deemed to be reserves player at years end.
Quite frankly my dear.......I think you're mixed up.

Carlton got a player who does very little for a massive salary, in the same forward line as another traded player who does nothing for a huge salary.

The picks are irrelevant to GC, but they took their stand after getting an insulting offer. Really don't see how Carlton won much here.

 

[Shinboner1]

Let GC float on their own for a while and see how it goes.
They are no longer the worst team in the league and still have the largest list with exceptional under 23 talent.
AFL can't just keep giving them handouts at the expense of the other 17 teams in the league.
Their bonkers academy concessions are enough.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Carlton got a player who does very little for a massive salary, in the same forward line as another traded player who does nothing for a huge salary.

The picks are irrelevant to GC, but they took their stand after getting an insulting offer. Really don't see how Carlton won much here.

Lol
We lost nothing and Martin played a lot more good games than bad ones last season for Carlton.

Fact is, Wellsy and his H-Bags purse made a massive offer for Jack Martin, and he still rejected your lot to join Carlton

Your post strikes me as a jilted lover scorned.

 

[Crow till I die]

Let GC float on their own for a while and see how it goes.
They are no longer the worst team in the league and still have the largest list with exceptional under 23 talent.
AFL can't just keep giving them handouts at the expense of the other 17 teams in the league.
Their bonkers academy concessions are enough.

Agree with that. If Rowell can stay on the park consistently, when Hollands gets going, they are going to have an absolutely awesome midfield of Rowell, Hollands and Anderson with plenty of mid tier optioins to roll through there with those absolute A grade kids..imagine Rowell extracting it and feeding to hollands and Hollands taking lacing it out to Rankine...scary stuff

They certainly don't need the extra pick as they are stocked full of talent

 

[Obeanie1]

I hope we don’t end up like the giants. All these young kids and can’t sign them all..

That is exactly what we (other club supporters) want and it will happen.

Gold Coast need to be very careful that they don't err and trade or let go a promising player in their early 20's who had one poor season simply to gain a highly rated untried u18.

The upside though is they (like the Giants) will constantly top up with 1st and 2nd round picks from trades and keep refreshing from the first two rounds.

Its not a bad situation to be in. I am hoping the Eagles can capitalise on the likes of Sharp and Powell types who may get squeezed out.

 

[kreglze]

That is exactly what we (other club supporters) want and it will happen.

Gold Coast need to be very careful that they don't err and trade or let go a promising player in their early 20's who had one poor season simply to gain a highly rated untried u18.

The upside though is they (like the Giants) will constantly top up with 1st and 2nd round picks from trades and keep refreshing from the first two rounds.

Its not a bad situation to be in. I am hoping the Eagles can capitalise on the likes of Sharp and Powell types who may get squeezed out.

Powell will be best 22. Found his spot on the HBF/BP last year, very little chance he leaves IMO.

The 2 this year I would think would be chances to move on would be Flanders and Sharp. Mostly because opportunities may be hard for them to come by in a very settled team. Though a few injuries and they will also get their chance.

 

[Obeanie1]

Powell will be best 22. Found his spot on the HBF/BP last year, very little chance he leaves IMO.

The 2 this year I would think would be chances to move on would be Flanders and Sharp. Mostly because opportunities may be hard for them to come by in a very settled team. Though a few injuries and they will also get their chance.

That the point though, Suns will soon have 28-30 best 22 players and then comes salary cap issues.

If Jeffrey is anything like his father then Powell will be under pressure for that spot and soon. Joel's dad was a gun, his stand out trait was his intensity at the contest.

Also have Markov and others gunning for a half back position.

It's a nice problem to have that's for sure.

 

[Peel67skin]

That the point though, Suns will soon have 28-30 best 22 players and then comes salary cap issues.

If Jeffrey is anything like his father then Powell will be under pressure for that spot and soon. Joel's dad was a gun, his stand out trait was his intensity at the contest.

Also have Markov and others gunning for a half back position.

It's a nice problem to have that's for sure.

Problem are meant to be solve not predict . A lot of Bf fan just predict like fortune teller .