Gold coast playing with the Draft!!!

[wart101]

I think the way we have dealt with this draft has been amazing with in repect to what GC has managed to do which IMO is a complete joke and lack proper planning by the AFL, basically GCS have set them selfs up for the next few years aswell as having top picks in this years draft.

One thing i am hoping for is that they pick up to many quility players can't offord to keep em and we end up getting them at bargain prices.

I don't ever rememver this happening with Port/Adelaide or Freo when they first entered correct me if im wrong, but i think the bottom line is this has shown that the AFL either planned to quickly or didn't plan at all, either way i think we all deserve a WTF!!!

 

[Mr Magic]

I think the way we have dealt with this draft has been amazing with in repect to what GC has managed to do which IMO is a complete joke and lack proper planning by the AFL, basically GCS have set them selfs up for the next few years aswell as having top picks in this years draft.

One thing i am hoping for is that they pick up to many quility players can't offord to keep em and we end up getting them at bargain prices.

I don't ever rememver this happening with Port/Adelaide or Freo when they first entered correct me if im wrong, but i think the bottom line is this has shown that the AFL either planned to quickly or didn't plan at all, either way i think we all deserve a WTF!!!

GC wil be a great little play in 3-4 years. With front loading great returns to be had for the premiership

Unfortunately, Richmond not bold enough and will pay over time!!

 

[Equus]

It's fair game. GCS will win a Premiership this decade.

They are shrewd and calculating. The've baited each clubs with some of their talented pre-listed kids in exchange for the compensation pick and as a result, set themselves up for a dynastry of picks.

And the AFL are idiots to give so much free leash to the GCS.

 

[Mr Magic]

It's fair game. GCS will win a Premiership this decade.

They are shrewd and calculating. The've baited each clubs with some of their talented pre-listed kids in exchange for the compensation pick and as a result, set themselves up for a dynastry of picks.

And the AFL are idiots to give so much free leash to the GCS.

They will win more than one, don't worry about that!!!!

 

[tigs2010]

I think the way we have dealt with this draft has been amazing with in repect to what GC has managed to do which IMO is a complete joke and lack proper planning by the AFL, basically GCS have set them selfs up for the next few years aswell as having top picks in this years draft.

One thing i am hoping for is that they pick up to many quility players can't offord to keep em and we end up getting them at bargain prices.

I don't ever rememver this happening with Port/Adelaide or Freo when they first entered correct me if im wrong, but i think the bottom line is this has shown that the AFL either planned to quickly or didn't plan at all, either way i think we all deserve a WTF!!!

All those players GC traded to clubs would have been released back into the draft. RFC tried to get clubs to band together and just wait for the draft. Other stupid clubs fault this has happened and they get compo picks back!!

 

[ScallyWag1]

They will win more than one, don't worry about that!!!!

you're probably right.

they're getting a hell of a leg up, as will GWS, but it'll balance out eventually.

still can't believe the clubs agreed to all of the concessions.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Teams don't win premierships based on one draft.

They dominated one draft, but GWS come in next year, and suddenly GC are one of us. They've done unbelievably well, but not enough to win a premiership just yet.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Premierships or not, GC & GWS won't last much more than a 10-15 years IMO....just the like Melbourne Storm, success still won't bring crowds...the interest in Melbourne where the GF is played will be non-existant and the big day will be a soulless farce with either, or worse, both those sides involved, you'll see crowds of barely 75, 000 for the GF.... and once Vlad & Anderson are gone, the AFL won't prop them up forever,and the current clubs will want rid of them, they'll drain far more from the AFL then they'll ever bring in, nothing demoralises a competition and it's followers quicker than when poorly supported, manufactured teams dominate...a costly folly all round...

 

[IDGAF]

Premierships or not, GC & GWS won't last much more than a 10-15 years IMO....just the like Melbourne Storm, success still won't bring crowds...the interest in Melbourne where the GF is played will be non-existant and the big day will be a soulless farce with either, or worse, both those sides involved, you'll see crowds of barely 75, 000 for the GF.... and once Vlad & Anderson are gone, the AFL won't prop them up forever,and the current clubs will want rid of them, they'll drain far more from the AFL then they'll ever bring in, nothing demoralises a competition and it's followers quicker than when poorly supported, manufactured teams dominate...a costly folly all round...

Do you think for one minute that the NRL would have treated a Sydney heartland club the way the Storm were treated ? ...NFW .

I have seen better theatre in my daughters primary school Eistefods .

Notice how all the legal threats just dissapated ?

Anyone even remotely connected to that sport knows that salary cap rorting is rife throughout the whole competition but with the AFL setting up camp in their stronghold and their newest frontier they needed headlines ... big ones ...

Relevence to this ? Everyone is shitting themselves about GC and GWS and rightly so ... there is a loooong history of new franchises being proppd and copped and gifted to secure the market .. what makes anyone think that this will any different ? I know lifetime Manly Warringah supporters ... 30-40 years plus , for those that are familiar i am connected in a way to the Peters family .. professional sport in this day and age is nothing more than glorified orchestrated theatre . that is the way they view it .

I may be old and cynical but those that sell their souls and their suburban day to day lives to this shit need to get out in the sun a little more .

I will say this though ... The number one thing i like about Dimma is he is old school and he is "bringin it back" to a degree ... lets hope "old school is the new school"

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Haha! Good old Zorba! You ever him commentate with Greg "Hollywood" Hartley? Classic stuff.

Time will tell, I guess Iddy.

 

[IDGAF]

Haha! Good old Zorba! You ever him commentate with Greg "Hollywood" Hartley? Classic stuff.

Time will tell, I guess Iddy.

FWIW i'm not disagreeing with you .. not at all

Take News Limited out of Melbourne and the storm will disappear quicker than lines on Matthew Newtons dressing table .

 

[Dr Tigris]

The 16 clubs agreed to grease themselves up and .....

The thing that impresses me is that GC really worked out what they want and how to get it. They are a professional operational in terms of getting started. Lets see how they go in action, that's a different thing. If they are as with it as they ahve started then we will see a premiership dynasty in about 7 years. Except if GWS is that good as well.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

FWIW i'm not disagreeing with you .. not at all

Take News Limited out of Melbourne and the storm will disappear quicker than lines on Matthew Newtons dressing table .

I suppose it's a similar situation..NEWS pretty much are/were the NRL...AFL are pretty much like NEWS in this deal... can't see them ever packing out Carrara in the long term...Storm won the premiership in their second year and have hardly missed finals...yet the average Victorian still couldn't give a stuff....as for GWS....as someone from there..it's about as AFL-oriented as Newcastle or mores the point- Auckland...I dunno if you've ever seen a NSW/ACT AFL game on Main event...that's about the interest...I think supporters from AFL states are going to become extremely resentful & embittered over this and it will eventually effect attendances and ratings throughout the entire competition.....

 

[IDGAF]

The 16 clubs agreed to grease themselves up and .....

The thing that impresses me is that GC really worked out what they want and how to get it. They are a professional operational in terms of getting started. Lets see how they go in action, that's a different thing. If they are as with it as they ahve started then we will see a premiership dynasty in about 7 years. Except if GWS is that good as well.

A successful footy team is as much about chemistry and understanding of the blokes you play with .

FACT ! - they are 0 on that count right now .

Long way to go and it will not happen in the first year or two .

Another thing worth noting ... all their "experienced" players are heading up their for the cash . that is fact . I wouldn't want any of them in my side .. and that goes for Gary as well . Because at the end of the day ... win lose or draw they have shored up their long term futures and they can head home after training to their million dollar properties on canals and life will be pretty sweet ... and that is not what i would want chasing the leather in our jumpers .

Besides Reuben Pellerman can you think of other reasons why it didn't work 20 years ago ?

 

[tugga]

A successful footy team is as much about chemistry and understanding of the blokes you play with .

FACT ! - they are 0 on that count right now .

Long way to go and it will not happen in the first year or two .

Another thing worth noting ... all their "experienced" players are heading up their for the cash . that is fact . I wouldn't want any of them in my side .. and that goes for Gary as well . Because at the end of the day ... win lose or draw they have shored up their long term futures and they can head home after training to their million dollar properties on canals and life will be pretty sweet ... and that is not what i would want chasing the leather in our jumpers .

Besides Reuben Pellerman can you think of other reasons why it didn't work 20 years ago ?

Being called Brisbane and basing themselves at Carrara didn't help. That's like Melbourne calling Geelong home.

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

A successful footy team is as much about chemistry and understanding of the blokes you play with .

FACT ! - they are 0 on that count right now .

Long way to go and it will not happen in the first year or two .

Another thing worth noting ... all their "experienced" players are heading up their for the cash . that is fact . I wouldn't want any of them in my side .. and that goes for Gary as well . Because at the end of the day ... win lose or draw they have shored up their long term futures and they can head home after training to their million dollar properties on canals and life will be pretty sweet ... and that is not what i would want chasing the leather in our jumpers .

Besides Reuben Pellerman can you think of other reasons why it didn't work 20 years ago ?

Disagree, would love a Campbell Brown (obviously not at the age he is now), the only reason he's leaving is because he bled for the club and then, when last year's trade period came around they tried to dump him off. He swore he'd serve out his contract and leave then.

 

[IDGAF]

I think supporters from AFL states are going to become extremely resentful & embittered over this and it will eventually effect attendances and ratings throughout the entire competition.....

... Or it will galvinise them as it done to a lot of the Sydney folk

Still hasn't transferred to bums on seats all the same.

 

[Dr Tigris]

A successful footy team is as much about chemistry and understanding of the blokes you play with .

FACT ! - they are 0 on that count right now .

Long way to go and it will not happen in the first year or two .

Another thing worth noting ... all their "experienced" players are heading up their for the cash . that is fact . I wouldn't want any of them in my side .. and that goes for Gary as well . Because at the end of the day ... win lose or draw they have shored up their long term futures and they can head home after training to their million dollar properties on canals and life will be pretty sweet ... and that is not what i would want chasing the leather in our jumpers .

Besides Reuben Pellerman can you think of other reasons why it didn't work 20 years ago ?

In some ways I quite agree with you. What I am impressed by is the professionalism of GC in getting the job done. People have bought premierships in AFL (North in the 70s, all of Carltons etc). I suspect that GC/GWS will fall flat on their faces at some point. But they have talent in their list, which is necessary to win the premiership. We never had the talent for 25 years, so we never were there. The AFL has granted them the first necessary to be top4, and a premiership threat. They have done a great job of playing the rules and other teams stupidity/cupidity to build for the future. Let's see if they can build a real footy team from here - I hope not, but we'll see.

 

[tugga]

... Or it will galvinise them as it done to a lot of the Sydney folk

Still hasn't transferred to bums on seats all the same.

Different culture up there. Nothing will ever translate to bums on seats.
One reason for this is that rugby league is viewed upon as a perfect TV sport. The camera basically follows every single bit of play and can capture pretty much every single player in one shot. As a league fan, you don't lose much, if any, enjoyment by watching a game on TV.
Aussie Rules is different. It's not a great TV sport as in the cameras can't capture everything, zoning and the ball and play moves so fast. It's infinitely better being at a game of AFL than it is watching on TV.

 

[IDGAF]

Disagree, would love a Campbell Brown (obviously not at the age he is now), the only reason he's leaving is because he bled for the club and then, when last year's trade period came around they tried to dump him off. He swore he'd serve out his contract and leave then.

Not as simple as that . and its easy to isolate one player

Brown wants to play Backline (Clarko is upsetting a few) ... and his old man is a c.okchead

If he was traded to us it would be a whole different set of circumstances as to the ones on the Gold Coast

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

A successful footy team is as much about chemistry and understanding of the blokes you play with .

FACT ! - they are 0 on that count right now .

Long way to go and it will not happen in the first year or two .

Another thing worth noting ... all their "experienced" players are heading up their for the cash . that is fact . I wouldn't want any of them in my side .. and that goes for Gary as well . Because at the end of the day ... win lose or draw they have shored up their long term futures and they can head home after training to their million dollar properties on canals and life will be pretty sweet ... and that is not what i would want chasing the leather in our jumpers .

Besides Reuben Pellerman can you think of other reasons why it didn't work 20 years ago ?

The chemisty issue is a good point....that , the infamous Coast "distraction" factor and homesickness are the main things that will undermine them as an on-field success...

As for 20 years ago..even the Rugby League franchise was a bust on the Gold Coast back then....but the Titan's seemed to have learned that lesson....the AFL is different kettle of fish though...I dunno...basically I just hate their's and GWS's guts already and I'm heavily deathriding both of them.

 

[IDGAF]

Different culture up there. Nothing will ever translate to bums on seats.
One reason for this is that rugby league is viewed upon as a perfect TV sport. The camera basically follows every single bit of play and can capture pretty much every single player in one shot. As a league fan, you don't lose much, if any, enjoyment by watching a game on TV.
Aussie Rules is different. It's not a great TV sport as in the cameras can't capture everything, zoning and the ball and play moves so fast. It's infinitely better being at a game of AFL than it is watching on TV.

Fair calls

My sporting experiences up there lead me to believe that by and large its more social to attend sporting fixtures than die-hards who bleeed .

 

[tugga]

Fair calls

My sporting experiences up there lead me to believe that by and large its more social to attend sporting fixtures than die-hards who bleeed .

Maybe someone like ROachy8 who is Sydnersider can give more of an insight, but yes, I think you are right. Meltiger would be a great person to talk to on this as well.
There are many diehards in NRL, but the gapo between diehard and theatergoer is huge in NRL. You just don't the ones who support but go to, say, five games a year like we do in AFL.
I could be wrong though.

 

[IDGAF]

...basically I just hate their's and GWS's guts already and I'm heavily deathriding both of them.

I'm just watching with a morbid curiosity ...

Funny story , i now hold two AFL memberships because i am moving up that way years end and a resident smart-@rse i know has bought me a Suns membership complete with bumper sticker , cap etc.... i will no doubt get to a game or two because other than sitting on my new deck looking at Cape Byron and smoking pot there wil be f... all else to do so i look forward to seeing first hand how it develops and what spin Vlad puts on it

i shall give first hand , up to date reports

 

[NQTIGER]

A successful footy team is as much about chemistry and understanding of the blokes you play with .

FACT ! - they are 0 on that count right now .

Long way to go and it will not happen in the first year or two .

Another thing worth noting ... all their "experienced" players are heading up their for the cash . that is fact . I wouldn't want any of them in my side .. and that goes for Gary as well . Because at the end of the day ... win lose or draw they have shored up their long term futures and they can head home after training to their million dollar properties on canals and life will be pretty sweet ... and that is not what i would want chasing the leather in our jumpers .

Besides Reuben Pellerman can you think of other reasons why it didn't work 20 years ago ?

Plenty of reasons and they were mostly mercenary, the players went up there for the cash, not the footy.