Expansion Gold Coast salary cap solution?

[Bunk Moreland]

GWS were set in up in probably a more difficult location.

The Suns have needed one thing and one thing only since they set up, footy leadership.

GWS did it straight away with Sheedy Williams Brogan Cornes Power etc, and it set them up as a competitive footy club.

The Suns actually went anti-leadership with Ablett, Campbell Brown

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, etc. Then their supposed solution was to go and get… Rodney ****ing Eade? Christ.

They don’t need stars, they need leaders.

 

[Del28562]

Are you insinuating it's an even comp now?
Step 1 get Clarko there
Step 2 all first round picks have 5 year contracts - can't be traded until after their 3rd year
Allow clubs to trade 3rd to 6th year players, without requiring their consent.

At the moment gold coast is just like an AFL academy team, that prepares players for AFL teams to handpick after 2-4 years in the system for a shit draft pick, or send retirees ready for pasture on big deals eg Rory Atkins.
As soon as players realise they have to stay, then it changes the culture, no one has bought into the club

Why don’t we just share the trophy once A year and don’t worry about fair competition?

 

[It Just Is]

I thought they already had extra salary cap and an extended list size

 

[Sunfire]

Always feels like there are greener pastures just over that horozon but we never get there. It's remarkable how 11 seasons so far have played out pretty much exactly the same.

Of course it would help if we still had May, Lynch, Prestia, Dixon etc. At this point all we can do is hope Rankine, Luko, Rowell, King and Anderson don't decide they'd rather be winning flags in Victoria.

Ah well, at least we'll always have Day and Swallow.

 

[Great8]

Because 11 seasons of no finals isn't a fair competition.

We haven’t won a final in 20 years, it’s called tough luck. It’s up to the rubbish sides like us and the Suns to get our act together

 

[Sonny Hayes]

They have been okayish for a young team lately, they don't need more concessions

If it turns out they do need more to be competitive... Tough luck

They have been given more than enough, if they can't make it work that is on them.

 

[Del28562]

They probably don't need Melbourne clubs being in the ear of their draftees, saying we'll get you back in two years for a 4th rounder, aka scrimshaw either. Until free agency, trading is sorted so that both the club and player have choice, neither expansion team will win a flag

They have been okayish for a young team lately, they don't need more concessions

If it turns out they do need more to be competitive... Tough luck

They have been given more than enough, if they can't make it work that is on them.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

They probably don't need Melbourne clubs being in the ear of their draftees, saying we'll get you back in two years for a 4th rounder, aka scrimshaw either. Until free agency, trading is sorted so that both the club and player have choice, neither expansion team will win a flag

Poaching is part of the competition? The Giants have done a brilliant job building a list, the problem they ad was coaching.

 

[Del28562]

How can you build a team, when clubs pray on young talent to come back so early, it's simple just make first rounders have 5 year deals, if prospective draftees don't want to play, that's fine do something else, we are the only sport in the world with a go home factor, it needs to be addressed by the AFL, and the AFL needs to allow clubs to be able to freely trade players, I'd say for players 3+ years in the comp without their consent. Any player that is suffering from home sickness and mental health problems, should be ticked off by the club doctor, where clubs from the home state bid for the players services, why does the player choose after being in the system 2 years, which club they want to go too?

Poaching is part of the competition? The Giants have done a brilliant job building a list, the problem they ad was coaching.

 

[Belnakor]

Remove the decimal point in your salary cap increase and you may be somewhere near the amount of money it would take to entice two star players to the Gold Coast.

yeah nah. They got GAJ who was the best player in the league by a huge margin for about that a year.

I don't think it is the worst idea and that is essentially what Sydney used to have.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

How can you build a team, when clubs pray on young talent to come back so early, it's simple just make first rounders have 5 year deals, if prospective draftees don't want to play, that's fine do something else, we are the only sport in the world with a go home factor, it needs to be addressed by the AFL, and the AFL needs to allow clubs to be able to freely trade players, I'd say for players 3+ years in the comp without their consent. Any player that is suffering from home sickness and mental health problems, should be ticked off by the club doctor, where clubs from the home state bid for the players services, why does the player choose after being in the system 2 years, which club they want to go too?

Lynch, Prestia, Jaeger, May, Dixon, Martin all extended beyond the initial contract at the Suns, extending the Draft contracts won't fix them.

They have had time to surround these players and develop them, they have failed to do so. Stop looking to put the blame elsewhere when the Giants have managed to build up as a consistent threat. The Lions were also having players poached and turned it around.

It is still a competition, at some stage they need to be able to stand up and survive without assistance.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Lynch, Prestia, Jaeger, May, Dixon, Martin all extended beyond the initial contract at the Suns, extending the Draft contracts won't fix them.

They have had time to surround these players and develop them, they have failed to do so. Stop looking to put the blame elsewhere when the Giants have managed to build up as a consistent threat. The Lions were also having players poached and turned it around.

It is still a competition, at some stage they need to be able to stand up and survive without assistance.

Exactly it’s a highly competitive competition eventually it’s got to be either sink or swim maybe if the afl came out and said there’s no more help they might actually work a bit harder to be a competitive club . A good start would be actually getting a football person to run there club instead of one from a motor sport background that has no idea what he is doing in Cochran

 

[Del28562]

Both expansion teams have been raided by Vic clubs, if it was the other way round, Eddie would have led a riot to AFL house. They have to pay overs to keep any. That's both the giants and Goldy. The lions turned it around by aiming their recruiting at Vic country players. Is that sustainable, when most of our draftees are private school boy scholarships now? Name the last decent player to go to the sun's or giants? Hasn't been since Stevie J.

Until the AFL moves from its Melbourne centric, these clubs will never prosper, they should be pulling out all stops to grow the game in these 2 parts of our country, as well as a Tassie team.

Just remember the hawks also nearly folded in the mid 90s, they look set to lose their Tassie sponsor, moving to Dingley, paying out Clarko, I'm not sure they wont need some AFL assistance soon either

Lynch, Prestia, Jaeger, May, Dixon, Martin all extended beyond the initial contract at the Suns, extending the Draft contracts won't fix them.

They have had time to surround these players and develop them, they have failed to do so. Stop looking to put the blame elsewhere when the Giants have managed to build up as a consistent threat. The Lions were also having players poached and turned it around.

It is still a competition, at some stage they need to be able to stand up and survive without assistance.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Both expansion teams have been raided by Vic clubs, if it was the other way round, Eddie would have led a riot to AFL house. They have to pay overs to keep any. That's both the giants and Goldy. The lions turned it around by aiming their recruiting at Vic country players. Is that sustainable, when most of our draftees are private school boy scholarships now? Name the last decent player to go to the sun's or giants? Hasn't been since Stevie J.

Until the AFL moves from its Melbourne centric, these clubs will never prosper, they should be pulling out all stops to grow the game in these 2 parts of our country, as well as a Tassie team.

Just remember the hawks also nearly folded in the mid 90s, they look set to lose their Tassie sponsor, moving to Dingley, paying out Clarko, I'm not sure they wont need some AFL assistance soon either

Eddie is a sook and irrelevant, he whines about a lot of things I ignore those as well.

Of course both were raided they were given increased lists with a huge amount of early selections. The Giants did a good job of keeping the ones they wanted and getting value for the rest to continue the cycle.

Whether the Hawks need assistance at some point or not, they shouldn’t get it. It’s a competition, the Suns were given a godfather assistance package, haven’t lost any of those players. Why should they be given any more? If with all the help they have had they still can’t build a culture that wants players to stay and develop what more should be done for them?

 

[Del28562]

Yep agree, AFL draft assistance is not required, and how any person with a job in AFL could sign Atkins to a 5 year deal, shouldn't have a job, it will be interesting to see if king, Rankine, luko, Anderson and Rowell stay in the next 2 years

Eddie is a sook and irrelevant, he whines about a lot of things I ignore those as well.

Of course both were raided they were given increased lists with a huge amount of early selections. The Giants did a good job of keeping the ones they wanted and getting value for the rest to continue the cycle.

Whether the Hawks need assistance at some point or not, they shouldn’t get it. It’s a competition, the Suns were given a godfather assistance package, haven’t lost any of those players. Why should they be given any more? If with all the help they have had they still can’t build a culture that wants players to stay and develop what more should be done for them?

 

[Toump Ass]

“Go Home factor”, otherwise know as “this club is a rabble trade me”.

 

[The 747]

Eddie is a sook and irrelevant, he whines about a lot of things I ignore those as well.

Of course both were raided they were given increased lists with a huge amount of early selections. The Giants did a good job of keeping the ones they wanted and getting value for the rest to continue the cycle.

Whether the Hawks need assistance at some point or not, they shouldn’t get it. It’s a competition, the Suns were given a godfather assistance package, haven’t lost any of those players. Why should they be given any more? If with all the help they have had they still can’t build a culture that wants players to stay and develop what more should be done for them?

Spot on, the Giants have done it well, they are a viable list now and a real club IMO. Probably missed a chance to win a flag with the initial riches.

Gold Coast seem to be perpetually stuck in the same year - but not advocating for any more concessions for them. They have a list full of talent, no more assistance needed.

 

[Scotty_222]

Spot on, the Giants have done it well, they are a viable list now and a real club IMO. Probably missed a chance to win a flag with the initial riches.

Gold Coast seem to be perpetually stuck in the same year - but not advocating for any more concessions for them. They have a list full of talent, no more assistance needed.

Giants kept getting value for picks after they came out of their rookie contracts.
We did not, we tried to build a core group and guys on the outer were nit getting games.
The issue is we don’t have the experience that other teams have.

 

[74561347]

yeah nah. They got GAJ who was the best player in the league by a huge margin for about that a year.

I don't think it is the worst idea and that is essentially what Sydney used to have.

when they got GAJ everyone knew they would be crap for a couple of years, but remember everyone said that given their draft concessions they would win 3 or 4 flags in their first 10 years. they could sell a future when GAJ went up there. that doesnt exist now, theyre selling saving a basket case.

yes sydney had extra, but the extra was applied to the contracts of all listed players. they couldnt take all their COLA and give it to one person. this is giving gold coast an extra amount of cash to give to one or two players.

 

[Great8]

“Go Home factor”, otherwise know as “this club is a rabble trade me”.

Yep, funny how when clubs like us lose players it’s fine because we are a shit club but when the Suns lose players it’s those dirty Victorian clubs raiding them again.
If your club is run poorly you will lose players as we have found out.
Fix the club like Brisbane has and the Suns will also become a destination club

 

[Del28562]

This is the same team, thats got Saad, Smith, stringer, Shiel from other clubs in their peak. Granted you lost Joe and Orazio, both very injury prone, that needed a new start because of their injuries, not sure it's the same.

Clubs are circling all of gold coast first rounders, right after their name is read out on draft night, completely different scenario to the bomberd, where you have the players managers saying stick it out 2 years and we'll get you back.

The majority of guys that are "homesick" are aps schoolboys, that correlation is strong and the AFL need to find solutions otherwise it'll never be a national comp

Yep, funny how when clubs like us lose players it’s fine because we are a sh*t club but when the Suns lose players it’s those dirty Victorian clubs raiding them again.
If your club is run poorly you will lose players as we have found out.
Fix the club like Brisbane has and the Suns will also become a destination club

 

[go_the_dockers]

Both expansion teams have been raided by Vic clubs, if it was the other way round, Eddie would have led a riot to AFL house. They have to pay overs to keep any. That's both the giants and Goldy. The lions turned it around by aiming their recruiting at Vic country players. Is that sustainable, when most of our draftees are private school boy scholarships now? Name the last decent player to go to the sun's or giants? Hasn't been since Stevie J.

Until the AFL moves from its Melbourne centric, these clubs will never prosper, they should be pulling out all stops to grow the game in these 2 parts of our country, as well as a Tassie team.

Just remember the hawks also nearly folded in the mid 90s, they look set to lose their Tassie sponsor, moving to Dingley, paying out Clarko, I'm not sure they wont need some AFL assistance soon either

Sa and WA teams suffer the same problems.

80 percent of people are not from there share.

 

[Blackas87]

The worst team pays its players the most money? That doesn’t make sense

The Gold Coast just isn’t ready for a team in the top league.

 

[Del28562]

They have to pay overs to keep players, as the Vic seagulls circle their players

The worst team pays its players the most money? That doesn’t make sense

The Gold Coast just isn’t ready for a team in the top league.

 

[Thetrader15]

GWS were set in up in probably a more difficult location.

The Suns have needed one thing and one thing only since they set up, footy leadership.

GWS did it straight away with Sheedy Williams Brogan Cornes Power etc, and it set them up as a competitive footy club.

The Suns actually went anti-leadership with Ablett, Campbell Brown, etc. Then their supposed solution was to go and get… Rodney ******* Eade? Christ.

They don’t need stars, they need leaders.

Correct, leadership and development is what they need.

Look at their coaching structure. I don't know that much about them but...
Dew - yes, I'm a fan, but seeing him p155ing on the streets?
Drummond - 6 years at North
Taesler - good record at the crows, leaving at the end of 17
Clarke - 3 years at carlton and 6 at Richmond before that, leaving in 2014/15
Francou - left after 18m...interesting

Not exactly the who's who of coaches coming from successful clubs.

Why weren't they into Mark Williams, Don Pyke, Harry Taylor, Brendon Lade, Brett Ratten?

If the AFL gave them extra soft cap rather than picks, they could have secured someone with a great resume.