Goldsack vs Maxwell

[DoubleO7]

Who would you rather, Goldsack or Maxwell?

 

[shawthing09]

I have been a massive Maxwell doubter over the course of the year, so I know it looks crazy for me too vote him. Fact is on this years form Maxwell was clearly better. He had more games in the good / very good range, less games in the hopeless range then Goldsack. My problem with Maxwell is his a very limited player however he is deffinately the kind of work horse who clubs need.

Goldsack can look good in flashes and much like Maxwell doesn't really have a position on the ground that he can really hold down and call his own. His too skinny for KP and more then likely always will be. His not clean enough or one touch enough to play as a strictly rebounding HBF or midfield. Maxwell offers more as a small KPB, Is at least handy as a foward where as Goldsack looked pretty poor when forced foward. Maxwell is more accountable and has all the added intangibles that everyone who rates him highly can tell you about. Goldsack is a pretty similar player to Maxwell, his probably cleaner with the ball and moves a bit better and dares to take players on on the rebound which looks good but as a player Maxwell is a fair way ahead IMO

 

[Pie eyed]

I have been a massive Maxwell doubter over the course of the year, so I know it looks crazy for me too vote him. Fact is on this years form Maxwell was clearly better. He had more games in the good / very good range, less games in the hopeless range then Goldsack. My problem with Maxwell is his a very limited player however he is deffinately the kind of work horse who clubs need.

Goldsack can look good in flashes and much like Maxwell doesn't really have a position on the ground that he can really hold down and call his own. His too skinny for KP and more then likely always will be. His not clean enough or one touch enough to play as a strictly rebounding HBF or midfield. Maxwell offers more as a small KPB, Is at least handy as a foward where as Goldsack looked pretty poor when forced foward. Maxwell is more accountable and has all the added intangibles that everyone who rates him highly can tell you about. Goldsack is a pretty similar player to Maxwell, his probably cleaner with the ball and moves a bit better and dares to take players on on the rebound which looks good but as a player Maxwell is a fair way ahead IMO

Kudos for the honesty.
I have rated Maxwell since his first game in the Black and White and while he is not the flashy star that most players aspire to be he realised that early and concentrated on being the best player he can for Collingwood.

His courage is beyond reproach and second to none who have ever pulled on a Collingwood jumper.
None of this is in anyway a slur on Tyson Goldsack. He has plenty of time to carve his on niche in the history of the club.

 

[Marklar_33]

If I'm at school, at lunch, and these 2 are the last guys standing to be picked, it would be a travesty, but I would take Maxwell... because he is better now, and I only want him to play for lunch... but if Im going to pick someone for the next 5 years, Im taking the Sack...

Sitting on the fence I know...


PS. I voted Sack

 

[Godfrey Jones]

who would we rather... in the sack? sorry couldnt resist

but yeh, goldsack

 

[THATSGOLD]

Goldsack will play more in the midfield next year. He racked up over 30 posies in a TAC game and he was playing in the middle against brissy until he got hurt!

 

[DoubleO7]

Goldsack wont play midfield.

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

Goldsack wont play midfield.

He's a tackling animal.. could easily turn into the big bodied Ling type tagger

 

[well left]

Pretty much what shawthing09 said. Based on current form you have to go with Maxwell. Had the better year and looked to add a tagging string to his bow in the finals as well.

Goldsack IMO actually went backwards this year but I think he never got going with pre-season injuries and then the injury up in Brisbane. I'd love to see him go into the midfield also as I reckon he has the attributes to be a hard at it inside midfielder but each time he has gone in there he has looked lost for mine. I'm hoping we experiment with him in the middle again during the NAB Cup and see how he goes. If no good still, then we know what we get with him.

 

[ButchEd8]

Goldsack would have been my selection last year, but after this year it's Maxi.

 

[shawthing09]

The fact that Goldsack is winning this poll just shows how over rated youth is and also shows you get veiwed better as a fan favourite out of the side then a average player in the side.

Maxwell had the better year and has the runs on the board. Goldsack has shown very similar limitations as Maxwell. In terms of question marks of being able to actually hold a particular position. He has similar strengths in his intensity and tackling pressure. His probably better with the ball in his hand but not as versatile in the stopping roles he preforms and not as accountable.

He would struggle as an inside midfielder as someone as suggeted simply because his not a clean one touch player. You don't have time to be fumbling around for the ball in tight and Goldsack is deffinately a fumbler. I have seen guys cut from Calder for less. He may make it as a midfield tagger and I hope he does it would help us 10 fold but right now there is no way you could argue Goldsack is a better player. I also struggle to see anything that would suggest he is going to be a better player then Maxwell

 

[harry1990]

Maxwell is a very average player, I can remember early this year people calling for him to be dropped !!!! Goldsack was playing injured throughout the year and will develop into a more consistant player.....And if we make Maxwell captain it will be the biggest mistake ever......

 

[jakson68]

I would take Maxwell simply because he is more flexible in being able to full a role where needed. I have to say he won me with his tagging effort against the crows.

 

[Captain Fantasy]

What on earth are you on about "who would you rather"... They are both required and important players. Maxwell will be our future captain and Sacky a future gun (keep in mind he's had his first two seasons of AFL interupted with OP).

If you are talking fantasy football though I'd recomend you stay away from them!

 

[DWil6]

Maxwell's inability to play one on one in the backline really urks me. He just gets beaten far to regularly. Not to say that the Sack is going to be more reliable, but I hold out hope. Love Maxwell's courage though.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

^i think thats an exagerration about maxwell being beaten far too regularly.

 

[DWil6]

^i think thats an exagerration about maxwell being beaten far too regularly.

I'm not sure it is. He falls off the back of his opponent on a lead and he also seems to get beaten in a one on one contested marking situation. I have seen Brown come across and try to spoil Maxwell's opponent when Maxwell didn't make the contest. I'm hopeful he'll maintain his improvement but I am also similarly hopeful of Goldsack.

 

[mdc]

I have seen Brown come across and try to spoil Maxwell's opponent when Maxwell didn't make the contest.

Maxwell has covered for Brown a hell of a lot more than the other way round.

And to be fair, Brown will be a gun, but got killed on the lead repeatedly throughout the season. Certainly more than Maxwell.

 

[well left]

He would struggle as an inside midfielder as someone as suggeted simply because his not a clean one touch player. You don't have time to be fumbling around for the ball in tight and Goldsack is deffinately a fumbler. I have seen guys cut from Calder for less. He may make it as a midfield tagger and I hope he does it would help us 10 fold but right now there is no way you could argue Goldsack is a better player. I also struggle to see anything that would suggest he is going to be a better player then Maxwell

That was me and I think you have summed that up pretty well. What I meant was I think his attack on the ball and the man and determination would make him a great inside mid but when he gets thrown in the middle he gets shown up for the reason you mentioned.

 

[loki04]

^i think thats an exagerration about maxwell being beaten far too regularly.

No its not he did better as a tagger than he does in defence.

Maxwell seems to play better at the pointy end of the year which is what sticks in everyones mind , but you look back on posting in the first half of the year he was playing shithouse even his fanboi's admitted he was down on form.
This captian talk is a load of bs and shouldn't be spoken about a player who can't at least play good footy for 90% of a year, Maxwell has struggled through the 1st 15 rnds of the last 2 years he is one of the players who hasn't helped in our bid for a top 4 finish.

Maxwell has a role at the club and is a good VC trains hard and goes hard, but playing ability should and does come into the captaincy situation.

As for the poll I voted Goldsack on basis he is 5 years younger and will be the better player.

 

[DWil6]

Maxwell has covered for Brown a hell of a lot more than the other way round.

And to be fair, Brown will be a gun, but got killed on the lead repeatedly throughout the season. Certainly more than Maxwell.

Brown played on the guns. Maxwell is manning up the lesser forwards in most cases. I am not trying to be a Maxwell basher as I love his hardness and positive attitude around the club but I agree with other posters in that he isn't a great stopper in the Presti / Wakelin mode or a great rebounder off the backline like Harry O or Heater. He is excellent as a third man up and can pinch hit in other positions. I like the idea of him as a tagger if he can consistently pull it off.

 

[mdc]

Brown played on the guns. Maxwell is manning up the lesser forwards in most cases.

And yet, was our best-performed this year against Franklin and Reiwoldt.

Despite his reputation, the only time he was really de-pantsed this year was in the first Carlton game against Fisher.

Wakelin hardly played on anyone all year either, but for some reason he avoids the same criticism.

 

[loki04]

And yet, was our best-performed this year against Franklin and Reiwoldt.

Despite his reputation, the only time he was really de-pantsed this year was in the first Carlton game against Fisher.

Wakelin hardly played on anyone all year either, but for some reason he avoids the same criticism.

8 goals 9 behinds is not best performed....

Even young Brown a 1st year player only had 8 goals 6 behinds kicked on him, and iiirc 2 of the goals came from when Maxwell had a short stint on him.

 

[Optimax]

And yet, was our best-performed this year against Franklin and Reiwoldt.

Despite his reputation, the only time he was really de-pantsed this year was in the first Carlton game against Fisher.

Wakelin hardly played on anyone all year either, but for some reason he avoids the same criticism.

Its like beating your head on a brick wall they wont listen.

Maxwell was hardly pantsed all year, ill agree his form hit its heights late in the season (thats a good thing) but he wasnt struggling or being gifted games as many would try and have us believe

 

[Godfrey Jones]

^what are you talking about? he was terrible at the start of the year but his form improved dramatically towards the end. i dont think it hit a wall. its funny pretty much after round 6 people were laughing at how they were considering him captain. and then he started to play better footy and he is back in contention