News Gone: Alex Keath wants to be traded to the Bulldogs

[Drewie11]

Why is everyone believing Sam Mclure? This guy hates Adelaide more than any other club.

Remember he said last year that Adelaide would have to take 1 of Carlton’s picks in the 20’s because Mcgovern wanted to leave Adelaide. They guy is a deadset flog of the highest order.

 

[Elite Crow]

Why is everyone believing Sam Mclure? This guy hates Adelaide more than any other club.

Remember he said last year that Adelaide would have to take 1 of Carlton’s picks in the 20’s because Mcgovern wanted to leave Adelaide. They guy is a deadset flog of the highest order.

Yeah he’s just made up Keath had surgery, cmon man.

 

[marty36]

Unless the Bulldogs medical report means that the offer they have tendered to Keath is now replaced by one with a year or two (or a zero or two) less, his value to the Bulldogs remains unchanged, and therefore his trade value remains unchanged.

Correct as most would realise he is worth their second rounder

This 1st round pick swap that the board keeps dreaming about for some unknown reason will not come into play, the bulldogs have stated it and why would they give up their first pick regardless of any return of picks, if the shoe was on the other foot we would be saying the same

The bruce deal will take care of itself if it even happens, he is under contract

 

[Drewie11]

Yeah he’s just made up Keath had surgery, cmon man.

He has just said this has dropped his value to a third rounder. Why is it Adelaides job to do the surgery if they have consulted their medical staff and they suggest doing it a certain way. So Adelaide have just got the surgery done for him to make the bulldogs happy. This goes back to round 18 when Adelaide would have still had an opportunity to keep him.

 

[Elite Crow]

He has just said this has dropped his value to a third rounder. Why is it Adelaides job to do the surgery if they have consulted their medical staff and they suggest doing it a certain way. So Adelaide have just got the surgery done for him to make the bulldogs happy. This goes back to round 18 when Adelaide would have still had an opportunity to keep him.

That’s different to McClure making it up.

We don’t have to do it, but then again Bulldogs might not take him if we don’t so it’s in our interests to.

We also have a history of not performing surgery and then having to, like Brad.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But apparently Manure thinks the injury treatment of Daniher by ESS , which has seen him play 11 games in 2 years ....justifies pick 5 and pick 9 ....hypocrite !

 

[Elite Crow]

But apparently Manure thinks the injury treatment of Daniher by ESS , which has seen him play 11 games in 2 years ....justifies pick 5 and pick 9 ....hypocrite !

There’s no doubt he’s a flog

 

[Drewie11]

But apparently Manure thinks the injury treatment of Daniher by ESS , which has seen him play 11 games in 2 years ....justifies pick 5 and pick 9 ....hypocrite !

This 100%

 

[conVINCEd]

So Fantasia has had knee and hip operations and won’t start pre-season until January.

I assume the Melbourne media will now judge him to be only worth a third round pick?

 

[OzSparrow]

If this is even remotely true then there is no way the Crows accept a 3rd rounder for Alex.

Either we change our offer and he stays or he goes in the draft.

This deal has some way to go yet.

 

[ChilliP]

A key paragraph in the article which is minimized and glossed over is we scanned his leg in round 18, came up with the plan for rehabilitation which included running and even playing, we then scanned again after round 23 and saw the fracture was healing as we expected. That's pretty good evidence that we were heading down the right path.

 

[marty36]

If this is even remotely true then there is no way the Crows accept a 3rd rounder for Alex.

Either we change our offer and he stays or he goes in the draft.

This deal has some way to go yet.

There second rounder is clearly what he will be traded for

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[Brasher]

Just another example of how amateur hour the AFL free agency and trading process is.

Keath just happens to be contracted by the Crows until the end of the month.....what right do the Bulldogs have in influencing his rehab/injury...it's self serving?

Maybe the next time the trading club can discover some terminal illness leaving the player 6 months to live to further devalue trade value (apologies for the insensitivity of the example but exaggerated to prove a point) and then make a miraculous recovery.

 

[Crow till I die]

Just another example of how amateur hour the AFL free agency and trading process is.

Keath just happens to be contracted by the Crows until the end of the month.....what right do the Bulldogs have in influencing his rehab/injury...it's self serving?

Maybe the next time the trading club can discover some terminal illness leaving the player 6 months to live to further devalue trade value (apologies for the insensitivity of the example but exaggerated to prove a point) and then make a miraculous recovery.

Or another possible scenario is that the injury has been well known by all parties throughout the negotiation process and that as part of the deal to garner a pick the crows wanted required them to put Keath in for surgery. I suppose it will all come out in the wash so to speak

 

[Fivel_79]

Bulldogs don’t have the picks to satisfy both St.Kilda (Bruce) and The Crows (Keath), both clubs will have their sights on a deal including pick 13... they’ll sit back and wait to see if either of us crack.

I don’t see how this changes his trade value if it hasn’t changed the length or money in the contract they’ve offered him.

Given we don’t seem to need the pick/s for any other trade deals it’d seem more likely the Saints start sweating before we do.

Keath & Pick 23 for Pick 13... pick 23 to Saints for Bruce. Swap of later picks up and down to balance it out if required.

 

[marty36]

Bulldogs don’t have the picks to satisfy both St.Kilda (Bruce) and The Crows (Keath), both clubs will have their sights on a deal including pick 13... they’ll sit back and wait to see if either of us crack.

I don’t see how this changes his trade value if it hasn’t changed the length or money in the contract they’ve offered him.

Given we don’t seem to need the pick/s for any other trade deals it’d seem more likely the Saints start sweating before we do.

Keath & Pick 23 for Pick 13... pick 23 to Saints for Bruce. Swap of later picks up and down to balance it out if required.

The Bruce deal is a separate deal for a contracted player that St Kilda may say you are staying like Geelong do with Kelly

Keath is our concern their second meets the needs

On top of that the bulldogs are saying pick 13 is off the table which you accept

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[FR0GGY]

Why is everyone believing Sam Mclure? This guy hates Adelaide more than any other club.

Remember he said last year that Adelaide would have to take 1 of Carlton’s picks in the 20’s because Mcgovern wanted to leave Adelaide. They guy is a deadset flog of the highest order.

Hey may be a flog, but he was pretty spot on with MCgovern wanting out and the camp

 

[Drewie11]

Hey may be a flog, but he was pretty spot on with MCgovern wanting out and the camp

Not denying he gets a story every once in a while but he has no idea about trade value and has twice now tried to suggest Adelaide gets less for their players.

 

[Crow till I die]

The Bruce deal is a separate deal for a contracted player that St Kilda may say you are staying like Geelong do with Kelly

Keath is our concern their second meets the needs

On top of that the bulldogs are saying pick 13 is off the table which you accept

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A second option would be that if we get pick 32 for Keath, we could then try to package picks 23 & 28 for a pick in the teens. I still like the idea of trading Greenwood + 28 for pick 15 if that is at all on the cards. After the AFL shanking us on the pick swap trade by devaluing our pick, they should bend over to make a deal like that possible as recompense. In fact, our club should have (and who knows they might have) gone at the AFL 100mph to ensure that they looked after us on a pick for Greenwood from GC.

 

[spexau]

That’s different to McClure making it up.

We don’t have to do it, but then again Bulldogs might not take him if we don’t so it’s in our interests to.

We also have a history of not performing surgery and then having to, like Brad.

It shouldn't drop his trade value though as they still value him enough to retain the contract offer.

 

[marty36]

A second option would be that if we get pick 32 for Keath, we could then try to package picks 23 & 28 for a pick in the teens. I still like the idea of trading Greenwood + 28 for pick 15 if that is at all on the cards. After the AFL shanking us on the pick swap trade by devaluing our pick, they should bend over to make a deal like that possible as recompense. In fact, our club should have (and who knows they might have) gone at the AFL 100mph to ensure that they looked after us on a pick for Greenwood from GC.

Swapping picks can be done if any club is keen to do that

It appears on the outside everyone wants higher picks not lower picks as a general rule

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[Croweater23]

A second option would be that if we get pick 32 for Keath, we could then try to package picks 23 & 28 for a pick in the teens. I still like the idea of trading Greenwood + 28 for pick 15 if that is at all on the cards. After the AFL shanking us on the pick swap trade by devaluing our pick, they should bend over to make a deal like that possible as recompense. In fact, our club should have (and who knows they might have) gone at the AFL 100mph to ensure that they looked after us on a pick for Greenwood from GC.

This sounds a lot like tampering.

The most the AFL has/will ever “look after us” is with the CEY compensation. That’s as good as it gets.

 

[marvin]

A key paragraph in the article which is minimized and glossed over is we scanned his leg in round 18, came up with the plan for rehabilitation which included running and even playing, we then scanned again after round 23 and saw the fracture was healing as we expected. That's pretty good evidence that we were heading down the right path.

I think you are conflating a few things here. The running program was mentioned as being part of his planned post-season rehab, and the article doesn't talk about playing. It certainly makes the decision to fly him across to Melbourne to be emergency for the round 19 match on the back of a scan confirming a stress fracture very odd.

 

[thebirdman 24]

Someone mentioned Manure hates us..why is that? And why is it that we think most in the media hate us - do we have a complex or is it that the club treating anyone outside of the 4 walls with contempt?

 

[Crow till I die]

This sounds a lot like tampering.

The most the AFL has/will ever “look after us” is with the CEY compensation. That’s as good as it gets.

Tampering!!!..you mean like the AFL awarding a front ended PP to devalue our pick trade (and everyone elses picks along the way)..awarding GC unfettered access to their academy and adding Darwin to their zone. Please..the AFL seem to be able to to do whatever they want and if they sanctioned a trade to GC for Greenwood that involved pick 15, what's going to happen..the AFL ban themselves from the draft?