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[Lach72]

Harvey made an interesting comment re - Hase in the post match.

He was asked it was having an effect on the team:

His reply was something like:

"All clubs have player in this situation...they either negotiate, or they get moved on"

 

[derPy]

NAMES MENTIONED SO FAR....

Dodd - I'd keep. Not best 22, but depth player
Campbell - goneski
Murphy - Offered as trade, if anyone offers anything - TAKE IT. Otherwise delist
Gilmore - delist
Drum - Sign for 1 year, but also open to offers for trade
Head - goneski
Browne - goneski
O'Brien - goneski
Headland - would sign for 1 year
Solomon - would sign for 1 year
Grover - is contracted, depth player
Thornton - is contracted, depth player
Foster - would sign for 1 year
Peake - Offer as trade, if anyone offers anything, TAKE IT. Otherwise delist
Bradley - would sign for 1 year, depth player
Hinkley - Would offer as a trade

ROOKIES...

Connelly - delist
Pratt - delist & attempt to redraft as rookie, otherwise byebye
Broughton - to senior list
Pearce - keep on rookie list
Van Berlo - keep on rookie list
Sibasado - keep on rookie list
DeBoer - to senior list
Shepherad - keep on rookie list

Agree with plugger, rest of u just relax

 

[Stronzo]

Harvey made an interesting comment re - Hase in the post match.

He was asked it was having an effect on the team:

His reply was something like:

"All clubs have player in this situation...they either negotiate, or they get moved on"

Thats cold.

 

[malpaso]

Haselby doesn't have a leg to stand on. If they don't want to sign him for 2 years then he won't get signed and good luck being picked up elsewhere.

Who would you rather in there? A healthy Palmer or a healthy Haselby?

 

[dominguez]

What role will be play and is he ahead of these players?

Duffield
Broughton
Pearce
Pratt
Hayden
Soloman
Suban

Duffman's not very accountable, Pearce lacks pace, Hayden and Solomon are near the end and Suban will hopefully be a mid so Brock is competing with Pratt for a spot in the side.

Personally I'd de-list him but invite him to train with us and see how he goes on the track between October and December.

 

[dominguez]

Who would you rather in there? A healthy Palmer or a healthy Haselby?

Obviously long term Palmer but Hasleby at his best is better than Palmer's best at this stage.

 

[Stronzo]

Who would you rather in there? A healthy Palmer or a healthy Haselby?

Both.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Yeah, both for me too.

As old as Haselby is, and he has had a knee reconstruction - he has still been our best midfielder this season. I am hopeful that some of the youngsters will in time come up to the same standard as him. But I think it would be a shabby way to treat him not giving him a two year deal.

 

[bigpav]

we need to start over - we have hit rock bottom and might as well be ruthless

Dodd - delist
Campbell - trade/delist
Murphy - trade/delist and payout
Gilmore - trade/delist
Drum - keep
Head - delist
Browne - delist
O'Brien - delist
Headland - keep
Solomon - delist
Grover - retire
Thornton - delist and payout
Foster - trade/delist
Peake - trade/delist
Bradley - keep for depth kpp
Hinkley - trade/keep for depth mid

ROOKIES...

Connelly - delist
Pratt - keep as rookie
Broughton - to senior list
Pearce - to senior list
Van Berlo - to senior list
Sibasado - keep as rookie
DeBoer - to senior list
Shepherad - keep on rookie list


campbell may get 4th rounder
murphy may get 4th rounder
peake may get 4th rounder
hinkley may get 3rd rounder
gilmore and foster proberly nothing so delist

that makes 3 rookies kept so we pick 5 new rookies

that makes 8 main list delisted and 1 retired with 4 rookie upgrades means we need 5 picks to make up the main list

we will finish 15th there is no way melb will beat carlton next week or st kilda in the last round.

so we will have picks 3,19,35,ex 3rd,51,ex 4th,ex 4th,ex 4th

we need to use 5 picks which is 3,19,35,ex 3rd, and 51 - this is not to bad. I'd rather get rid of the above players and fill up with picks around 35 to 51.

what you guys think?

 

[bigpav]

as well we could use the pre season pick - so we only need to use 4 picks

3,19,35 extra 3rd rounder

 

[Admiral Byng]

I think we have the makings of a pretty good list so far. With so many rookie listed players looking for promotion to the senior list we can afford to drop a few of Connolly's duds. But I think a wholesale cleanout is going a bit too far. I don't think we are rock bottom, I think we've bottomed out already and will be on the rise quicker than you think.

I would favour going after a few "mature age" players (say 20-23) with our later round draft picks. Guys ready to play straightaway and grateful for the opportunity.

The real thing we need to do is go after an experienced coach. I don't care what it costs, get out the chequebook and sign up Sheedy or Leigh Matthews or someone like that.

 

[bigpav]

sorry stuffed up the maths on that one.

we would need to fill 9 spots on the main list

picks

3,19,35,ex 3rd,51,ex 4th,ex 4th,ex 4th + pre season pick.

still better to get rid of dumb asses and try someone new - you can pick up gems around 50 to 60 in the draft.

 

[bigpav]

agree Admiral - use the late picks we possibly get from trading some of the dead wood to get a few mature age players from the wafl. This is the best year to have a full cull with GC coming in next year.

 

[salim malik]

I think we have the makings of a pretty good list so far. With so many rookie listed players looking for promotion to the senior list we can afford to drop a few of Connolly's duds. But I think a wholesale cleanout is going a bit too far. I don't think we are rock bottom, I think we've bottomed out already and will be on the rise quicker than you think.

I would favour going after a few "mature age" players (say 20-23) with our later round draft picks. Guys ready to play straightaway and grateful for the opportunity.

The real thing we need to do is go after an experienced coach. I don't care what it costs, get out the chequebook and sign up Sheedy or Leigh Matthews or someone like that.

Byng if its Connollys duds who are clogging the list but we have, apart from those dumbos ,the makings of a pretty good list, who has been responsible for assembling this group of star rookies.Me thinks its the man you seem to be obsessed with replacing .Your post is not blessed with a lot of thought.

 

[malpaso]

Byng if its Connollys duds who are clogging the list but we have, apart from those dumbos ,the makings of a pretty good list, who has been responsible for assembling this group of star rookies.Me thinks its the man you seem to be obsessed with replacing .Your post is not blessed with a lot of thought.

Spot on!

 

[Admiral Byng]

Byng if its Connollys duds who are clogging the list but we have, apart from those dumbos ,the makings of a pretty good list, who has been responsible for assembling this group of star rookies.Me thinks its the man you seem to be obsessed with replacing .Your post is not blessed with a lot of thought.

There is a huge difference between being a good recruiter and being a good match day coach. Harvey as a match day coach is reactive and defensive. It is one thing building a good list, it is another thing getting the best out of them.

 

[sabre_ac]

What has Peake ever shown other than a turn of pace?

His decision making, kicking, ability overhead are all average at best.

Drum and Bradley will be retained if Murphy and Campbell are gone (Which I think is the correct decision)

Dodd will be retained, the guy isn't a game breaker but he is honest.

 

[Mundy]

Dodd will be retained, the guy isn't a game breaker but he is honest.

But he's not.

He's just a poor footballer, nothing else.

 

[Clay Davis]

But he's not.

He's just a poor footballer, nothing else.

Haha. Yeah, Dodd has to be the most dishonest footballers on the list, if not of all time. Shane Parker was an honest footballer. Dodd is quite the opposite.

The guy has serious delusions about his abilities, and seems to think for whatever reason, he can mouth off towards players more talented than him. I am not against sledging at all but if you're going to do it, at least make sure you have some abilities to back it up. Dodd either believes he has some ability or is too stupid not to realise that opposition players don't bite because they think he's a joke.

Look at Jurrah yesterday. The guy is from Yuendumu, knew only scant English before he came to Melbourne, and even then would be a man of few words anyway, but he was still taking the piss out of Dodd's abilities and telling him how to play.

A couple of weeks before that, while he was trying to rile up Aker, all Akermanis could do was look at him with derision.

If I played for Freo I would hate playing with Dodd. He's an embarrassment. A country league footballer at best.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Haha. Yeah, Dodd has to be the most dishonest footballers on the list, if not of all time. Shane Parker was an honest footballer. Dodd is quite the opposite.

The guy has serious delusions about his abilities, and seems to think for whatever reason, he can mouth off towards players more talented than him. I am not against sledging at all but if you're going to do it, at least make sure you have some abilities to back it up. Dodd either believes he has some ability or is too stupid not to realise that opposition players don't bite because they think he's a joke.

Look at Jurrah yesterday. The guy is from Yuendumu, knew only scant English before he came to Melbourne, and even then would be a man of few words anyway, but he was still taking the piss out of Dodd's abilities and telling him how to play.

A couple of weeks before that, while he was trying to rile up Aker, all Akermanis could do was look at him with derision.

If I played for Freo I would hate playing with Dodd. He's an embarrassment. A country league footballer at best.

LOL i could not have said it better even if i had had a week to think about. dodd is a walking punchline, the "diet-coke of footballers, 1 calorie not good enough"

 

[Clay Davis]

LOL i could not have said it better even if i had had a week to think about. dodd is a walking punchline, the "diet-coke of footballers, 1 calorie not good enough"

Exactly.

His is the kind of sledging that inspires the opposition to play well, rather than putting them off their game.

 

[Freo Shark]

LOL i could not have said it better even if i had had a week to think about. dodd is a walking punchline, the "diet-coke of footballers, 1 calorie not good enough"

True and nice punchline!

 

[salim malik]

There is a huge difference between being a good recruiter and being a good match day coach. Harvey as a match day coach is reactive and defensive. It is one thing building a good list, it is another thing getting the best out of them.[/quote

So youve given Harves the big tick on his list management, great, but now after one season of dealing with major injuries to important players and someone elses dumb arse recruiting ,plus teaching a whole bunch of rookies how to deal with the rigours of afl you call him defensive and reactive and want to replace him with 2 of yesterdays men in Sheedy or Mathews. Please describe, with the troops we have had available what defensive and reactive equates to,maybe teaching those kids how to play within the parameters of a game plan?
Sensible supporters knew this season was going to be a huge learning curve and the enjoyment to the year would be the improvement of the kids who would eventually replace the dumbarses.I think that part of the season has exceeded all expectations and Harvey should be fully endorsed to finish what he has started.

 

[sansian]

There is a huge difference between being a good recruiter and being a good match day coach. Harvey as a match day coach is reactive and defensive. It is one thing building a good list, it is another thing getting the best out of them.[/quote

So youve given Harves the big tick on his list management, great, but now after one season of dealing with major injuries to important players and someone elses dumb arse recruiting ,plus teaching a whole bunch of rookies how to deal with the rigours of afl you call him defensive and reactive and want to replace him with 2 of yesterdays men in Sheedy or Mathews. Please describe, with the troops we have had available what defensive and reactive equates to,maybe teaching those kids how to play within the parameters of a game plan?
Sensible supporters knew this season was going to be a huge learning curve and the enjoyment to the year would be the improvement of the kids who would eventually replace the dumbarses.I think that part of the season has exceeded all expectations and Harvey should be fully endorsed to finish what he has started.

Totally agree Salim.

I challenge any of the current coaches to try and win games when they are in a position such as Freo at the moment. Harves has done a good job this year, and will show next year why the board should have faith in him.

Besides I really don't see anyone on the radar who would be used to replace him. Whats the point of only giving a new coach two years to show what they have got, and then replace him with another tried and untested coach. I dont see too many experienced coaches wanting to put their hand up for the job right now.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Totally agree Salim.

I challenge any of the current coaches to try and win games when they are in a position such as Freo at the moment. Harves has done a good job this year, and will show next year why the board should have faith in him.

Besides I really don't see anyone on the radar who would be used to replace him. Whats the point of only giving a new coach two years to show what they have got, and then replace him with another tried and untested coach. I dont see too many experienced coaches wanting to put their hand up for the job right now.

nah.... bugger harves, he is no good, lets chase one of gary ayres, mark reilly, darren crocker, donald macdonald, wayne brittain or mark royal ..... i believe that harves should be given next year and one more year after that to mould a list, by 2011 i would be wanting to see some improvement i.e pushing the 8.... the reality is, is that we 20 % of our list is shizen 70% is young and 10% are good players... it si going to take time, there is no quick fix here, we have to tough it out