Who is that?Instead we have our supposedly next star mid playing half back in the sanfl
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Who is that?Instead we have our supposedly next star mid playing half back in the sanfl
Leigh matthewsName me one, just one great forward in the game’s history who became great by serving a midfield apprenticeship?
I don’t mind playing him in there as a specific strategy, if we think he has the attributes to help us in that position, but if the reason we’re doing it is to improve him as a forward, we are barking up the wrong tree.
The one thing they haven’t tried - and it’s a big move for obvious reasons - is playing him *instead* of Tex.If he doesn't start to show other AFL traits other than his elite goal kicking when someone delivers the ball to him he might find himself back in Lucindale on the tractor or in the shearing shed. He is in control of his own football destiny and the club have certainly tried more than one avenue re position to get him competitive.
His comment was almost as pathetic as changing into the prison bars after the game. Wonder if Hamish had the drums out as well?Man talk about the lowest of the low - celebrating injury. I rest my case - any club that allows moderators to behave like this in their name is nothing but a disgrace.
If I recall correctly Tex came to be with Tippet by his side. Two big forwards to split the defence (with different weapons). So how much of a contested beast can Fog become? If running and making space is not a strong point, can he mark our kick and hope tactics?His forward craft is pretty good.
But right now he is looking like a guy who will average 1.5 gpg and sub 10 disposals. Offer nothing other than kick goals. Meaning we will be a player down across the ground.
He is going to be Tex 2.0 Tex is best when he is contributing up the ground. Not just kicking goals. Last two games we have seen Tex incapable of pushing up the ground. And his forward craft has suffered.
Tex went through this process. Fog is now.
I realise this is an unpopular opinion here, but it is modern Footy. Goal kicking specialists are dinosaurs.
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JonesWho is that?
The Moo Mookay?Hately is being groomed as the NEW Mookay
I saw a bit of Footy Classified (I think last Monday) and they interviewed Tex, who said he was fit, good pre-season etc. Looked happy and confident. I don't think he's injured but heBut he's 100% fit though, no need to manage him at all.
No. None.I missed the game. Is it worth watching any of it? If so, which quarter?
The prison bars at the end was embarrassing. Just be proud of the colours you wore in 2004 in the big boy comp FFS.
Really interesting summary.Harry Schoenberg
Really, really like the way he plays. His disposal is very creative and always looking for an attacking pass to our advantage, doesn't always pull it off but that will come in time. Has neat positioning and a good burst to get clear when necessary. Unfortunately his choice to handball backwards over his head instead of taking it over the boundary line in Q2 was a byproduct of the way he plays and just generally a shocking error.
Mate, development isn't linear.
Most of our kids are undersized and about 2 preseasons short of a decent tank. Some of them won't make it, but it's far far too early to judge most of them right now.
There's a fair amount of hysteria from people on this board, given that most having being crying out for a bottom out for years. We are one draft into it and people are expecting that we can hang with mature teams at the height of their development cycles.
It'll be a roller coaster for at least two or three years. We are at least two good draft years away from having the cattle. We are at least one year away from being able to make a call on some players who've been on the list for a while but had stifled development under the previous regime.
You are not going to see linear development. Kids get tired, they don't carry injuries as well. Look for small gains, such as McHenry improving or Harry slowly building midfield minutes. Butts playing like a 50 game defender and Thilthorpe looking like he will deliver on the #2 pick. These kids will go through peaks and troughs over the next 24 months. Judge them then not now.
Lower your expectations.
Our midfield needs to lift as well.If I recall correctly Tex came to be with Tippet by his side. Two big forwards to split the defence (with different weapons). So how much of a contested beast can Fog become? If running and making space is not a strong point, can he mark our kick and hope tactics?
It was a mistake.Really interesting summary.
Yes, I saw that at the time; score board, their I50. It resulted in a PA goal and I mentioned it early in this thread. Those dinky ballet-pirouette handballs rarely come off, by any but the best players.
Time, and place.
I can't imagine why he did that instead of just taking it oob, as you said. Trying to make something, out of nothing? If it was in our F50, I'd get it, but theirs??
I agree that he will be a player, though. Many of his passes set teammates up into space; he's got footy smarts.
You are not wrong there! There are so many links missing. Malera has proven to be a huge loss. An injured Crouch has left a gap. It’s baptism by fire for Berry and co.Our midfield needs to lift as well.
1) Yeah it was; I'm not going to hang him on that one, alone. His good far exceeds his bad. I've loved a few of his passes to Tex in particular in the first 4 or 5 rounds, either lace out on his chest, or placed well to his advantage. Sometimes Tex reciprocates :1) It was a mistake.
2) But I like that he is trying those sort of plays.
3) With maturity, and better quality around him, they will come off more.
Agree fully about Fogarty . He is the only player that shows intent on hurting opponents in the tackle . Either be the intimidater or get intimidated in this game . We never recruit this type of player . We are the nice boys club.Alright so like last week I was interested in seeing how some specific players played and used Stats Pro to watch all their involvements. Here are my thoughts
Darcy Fogarty
Almost all of his disposals were ground ball gets in a pack, taking on a tackler and getting out a disposal. In my opinion he is one of the only players on our list who consistently is able to wear tackles and execute well under that sort of pressure. His decision making about where to dispose it to in these moments is elite.
However there's still plenty to work on. He isn't getting uncontested possessions in the midfield, no easy handball receives, which I think will improve over time. He also had no impact inside 50 whatsoever, zero marks or disposals in there and his goal was TT's free. Overall there is enough there to persist with.
Elliot Himmelberg
Had two nice inside 50 passes in total for the game. Missed a regulation set shot. Several of his contested possessions were him attempting to mark the ball at his feet and the ball hitting the deck instead. Took two marks in the entire game, one of which was a contested mark in defense. Had no impact anywhere on the field, especially outside the first quarter
Taylor Walker
Had a stinker overall and got bullied in the air. However I felt he was more effective than Himmelberg, the few disposals he did get were smarter, more effective and very much to our advantage. Had a nice goal assist to TT. His main issue was getting destroyed in the contest, any time there was an opponent right on him he was woeful.
Riley Thilthorpe
Was our most effective forward target and was building into the game nicely up until his knee injury in the 3rd quarter. Was virtually unsighted after that point. Has very, very good disposal. Clearly an AFL player.
David Mackay
Had a terrible game, below average for even his standard. I'd class maybe 3-4 of his disposals outside the defensive 50 as genuinely to our advantage. Only had one of his signature run and carry moments in the entire match. Several of his disposals were abysmal turnovers for example kicking point blank into a Port player inside 50, or handballing into the body of a Port player instead of a team mate. Two of his three tackles were not effective, but the third should have been a free kick.
Jake Kelly
You cannot fault his defensive work, attack on the ball and general endeavor. His major issue, which remains to this day from his very first game, is he is totally incapable of any offensive work. He has one way of playing: mark, get back off the mark, stop, look around, take the safe chip 30m up the line to a free player. He did this almost every single time.
And the simple reason why he does this and rarely plays on? Because whenever he does play on, he turns it over. It's blatantly obvious in the footage if you can be bothered watching it. Stop and prop = safe kick to a free player. Play on = long kick to a 1-on-2 in Port's favor, or a kick over a forward's head, or just a kick straight to the opposition. I get why we play him, he plays his defensive role well. But surely we can move on from this.
Reilly O'Brien
I slogged my way through all of his hitouts. And I'll be honest, he actually wasn't that bad when he got the tap. The midfielders around him hung him out to dry a lot, there were times where every Port player was playing in front of the Crows player (closer to the ruck), and other times where our mids would just clean miss the ball. Quite a few structural issues there.
Aside from that the reason he had a poor game was no impact around the ground whatsoever. I mean dead set zero involvement in anything out of the ruck. How does a 200cm player not mark the ball once in an entire game of AFL?
Sam Berry
Copped a shocker of a free kick against him in the first quarter. He really should have kicked that shot on goal, he was in a mountain of space. Had a couple of nice involvements and ground ball gets where he was about 20% off on the execution at the end. Aside from that I don't know how much time he actually spent in the midfield but let's hope it wasn't much because he did not get involved much up the field. He has a ripping tackle technique but unfortunately on a few occasions the only reason he got the tackle was because he was second to the ball where he probably should have gotten there first. Persist for sure but looks a midfielder to me, not a forward.
Jimmy Rowe
Night and day versus last week. Got involved way more around the ground, had some genuine crumbs and applied a few tackles at the fall of the ball. Given our forward entries played about as well as you would hope from a small forward. However, he didn't get near it in the 4th quarter so faded out of the game badly
Harry Schoenberg
Really, really like the way he plays. His disposal is very creative and always looking for an attacking pass to our advantage, doesn't always pull it off but that will come in time. Has neat positioning and a good burst to get clear when necessary. Unfortunately his choice to handball backwards over his head instead of taking it over the boundary line in Q2 was a byproduct of the way he plays and just generally a shocking error.
Lay him in the SANFL reserves. Can't mark, can't kick